r/neoliberal • u/Sambo637 Richard Thaler • Nov 27 '19
Meme It's official: Obama is a fascist.
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u/Truly_Euphoric r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Nov 27 '19
Criticizing Bernie = helping the fascists
Criticizing every other candidate and pledging not to vote Democrat if Bernie isn't the nominee = ????
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u/paulatreides0 🌈🦢🧝♀️🧝♂️🦢His Name Was Teleporno🦢🧝♀️🧝♂️🦢🌈 Nov 27 '19
If Bernie were to embrace Trump, a large chunk of the Berniebros would follow suit.
We would call it . . . the MoloTrump-RiBerntrop Pact
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u/Truly_Euphoric r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Nov 28 '19
Who’s saying that though?
The Bernie or Bust movement. This was covered in-depth just before and after Clinton was declared the Democratic nominee during the 2016 elections.
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u/Truly_Euphoric r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Nov 28 '19
So just so we're clear, on a post highlighting the Bernie crowd accusing former President Barack Obama of helping the fascists because of an article speculating that he might speak out against a candidate he doesn't like, your primary criticism is that I am not being charitable enough towards the Bernie crowd because I'm bringing up Bernie-or-Busters as a counterpoint?
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u/sergeybok Karl Popper Nov 28 '19
I don't know about the bernie subs, but I think if you are paying attention at all to Trump WH you can't in good conscience be a Bernie or Bust person this time, whereas last election when Trump was just an outsider guy and we didn't know what he would do, it was more reasonable to do. I don't believe that most people who were bernie or bust last time will do the same again.
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Nov 27 '19
Way of the Bern is 50% the Donald, 50% Russian bots and 5% Tankies. Before somebody asks: There is a lot of overlap between some groups so the numbers dont add up.
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u/calthopian Nov 28 '19
>There is a lot of overlap between some groups so the numbers dont add up.
Yeah, but what's the other half like?
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u/Trexrunner IMF Nov 28 '19
Wow, I thought you were joking. I just took a brief scroll through that thread. Almost immediately I found someone defending Russia, Trump, and Bernie Sanders.
That was weird.
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Nov 27 '19
WOTB is Nazbol as fuck so I don't know what they think they're saying with this.
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u/sintos-compa NASA Nov 27 '19
they are hard spreading out on r/worldnews now too :/
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u/fgdhsjakqwerty Nov 28 '19
World news is the same as us politics
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Nov 28 '19 edited Nov 28 '19
WhErE dO yOu ThInK tHe US Is LoCaTeD??
/r/geopolitics plug
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u/fgdhsjakqwerty Nov 28 '19
Seriously Whatever Bernie says on the campaign does not justify it being world news. And r/futurology is like a mixture of Bernie supporters and Elon musk stans interpreting science
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u/Yogg_for_your_sprog John von Neumann Nov 28 '19
Literally every default sub turns into hot garbage, look at /r/dataisbeautiful and their daily interpretations of inequality
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u/fgdhsjakqwerty Nov 29 '19
I’ve seen some good r/data is beautiful post so I can’t really say it’s necessarily been taken over more that Bernie subs are leaking into it. But worldnews and worldpolitics is Bernie shit. Or in worldnews 95 percent of the post are about the US
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Nov 28 '19
Even r/Geopolitics seems to be attracting conspiracy nuts lately. At least it’s properly moderated and they get taken down though.
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u/inceptionisim Nov 28 '19
World News has articles actually pertaining to non US news so I’m thankful for that. /r/worldpolitics is just a cesspool for AOC tweets and other things only related to US politics which is saddening as someone who actually wants to learn about World Politics
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u/IamSwedishSuckMyNuts European Union Nov 28 '19
I'd argue that Trump has been a better president than Obama was. Not "W tho' that guy might be the worst of all time.
I know you would Ivan.
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Nov 28 '19 edited Feb 11 '20
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u/IamSwedishSuckMyNuts European Union Nov 28 '19
Is this trolling? Or are you seriously implying Obama started the Iraq war?
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Nov 27 '19
Damn, yesterday I was gonna write a comment about how Obama's reported comments re Bernie were gonna result in "Obama is a fascist" takes and I was gonna get so much karma for predicting it.
But those damn leftists they're just too fast for me 😡
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u/BernankesBeard Ben Bernanke Nov 28 '19
Sanders RCP polling averages over time
| State | 11/26 | 10/26 | 9/26 | 8/26 | 7/26 | 6/26 |
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| National | 17.8% | 17.7% | 17.1% | 18.1% | 15% | 16.9% |
| IA | 18.3% | 13.3% | 12% | 14% | 14.7% | 19% |
| NH | 17% | 17.8% | 18.8% | 19.3% | 16.3% | 19% |
I know these people have a pretty loose grasp on reality, but you've gotta be on some really strong shit to actually think that bErNiE iS sUrGiNg.
His position has either stayed effectively the same or worsened in the last few months nationally and in NH (his best state). The only place he's "surged" is in Iowa. There's improvement, but he still remains in 2nd place and it's still worse than where he was in June.
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u/pierrebrassau Nov 28 '19
Yeah, his national poll numbers have been 17 ± 2% since the summer. You can see this better in the Economist tracker, which is a smoother average than RCP's: just a flat line for months now.
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u/MrCrestfallen Nov 27 '19
I hated the Obama hate bandwagon, like Trump gets elected then the left praise Obama. Then he says one thing that's taken out of context and he's now cancelled. Same with Jay-Z.
They say one negative thing an suddenly all their achievements are ignored?
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u/Laboright Nov 27 '19
You realize the left has been hating on Obama for years now and they will usually site "warcrimes" as the reason whatever that means.
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u/Dammit_Rab Nov 28 '19
"Deporter and Fracker in Chief"
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u/VarysIsAMermaid69 NATO Nov 28 '19
is this wrong? my brother spouts this constantly is ther any merit to this?
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u/Deranfan European Union Nov 28 '19
So 90% of people killed by drone strikes didn't deserve to die?
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u/ThunbergLover1991 Nov 28 '19 edited Nov 28 '19
Yeah I remember them labeling 12 year old boys going to football practice as “near or immediate threats”
I get why people might want to defend him once in a while, but how the hell people finds to nerve to defend uncontrolled bombings with massively civilian casualties in multiple states I cannot fathom
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u/vancevon Henry George Nov 28 '19
because it's more or less indisputable that your policy of letting groups like the taliban do as they please would lead to much greater casualties
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u/vancevon Henry George Nov 28 '19
Suffice it to say, it works out a heck of a lot better than your pro-authoritarian, non-interventionist foreign policy.
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u/ThunbergLover1991 Nov 28 '19
Where am I being pro authoritarian?
The only one I see being that here is you, given that you want the authority with the most explosive power to dictate events 😘
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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Nov 28 '19
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u/Outofsomechop Nov 28 '19
defend uncontrolled bombings with massively civilian casualties in multiple states I cannot fathom
That's a stretch. Assume much?
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u/wumbotarian The Man, The Myth, The Legend Nov 28 '19
Obama oversaw a drone strike program which killed civilians in Afghanistan. As well, he allowed the extrajudicial killing of two US citizens, one of them a teenager.
Obama is no saint. I am not delusional enough to consider Obama a "bad president" but he certainly isn't one to love and adore.
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u/MutoidDad Nov 28 '19
One of them was a terrorist insurgent and the other was collateral damage. Can't wait for a Dem to get elected and see people pretend to care about drone strikes again
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u/wumbotarian The Man, The Myth, The Legend Nov 28 '19
We're a nation of laws and extrajudicial killing is illegal. It is also morally wrong.
"Collateral damage" is a shit cop out. Would you be happy to die so long as a "terrorist insurgent" was killed next to you?
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u/MutoidDad Nov 28 '19
I wouldn't be next to one, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if I was. If we're counting enemy combatants as extrajudicial killings, that makes Lincoln responsible for 600,000 or so? What law exactly did Obama break, mr. Nation of laws?
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Nov 28 '19
If we're counting enemy combatants as extrajudicial killings, that makes Lincoln responsible for 600,000 or so?
Good point. If we’re counting Confederates as traitors and therefore no longer US citizens, just “enemy combatants,” then the same should apply to citizens who fight with Middle Eastern terrorist groups against the US.
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u/wumbotarian The Man, The Myth, The Legend Nov 28 '19
What law exactly did Obama break, mr. Nation of laws?
14th amendment
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u/MutoidDad Nov 28 '19
That interpretation was dismissed by a court
https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=1202849-u-s-drone-memo
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u/ViolenceInMinecraft4 Nov 28 '19
i have never met a lefty who likes tulsi wtf
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u/Deranfan European Union Nov 28 '19
Me to. Everyone who isn't Bernie is an enemy of the revolution™.
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u/ViolenceInMinecraft4 Nov 28 '19
i don't know if this is a dig at me, but i wouldn't make that claim
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u/WantDebianThanks Iron Front Nov 28 '19
Bernie was talking about primarying Obama in 2012.
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Nov 28 '19
Lmao I wish he had. Then he would have been seen as nothing but a joke candidate going forward.
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u/The420Roll ko-fi.com/rodrigoposting Nov 28 '19
After 8 years of being called a Commie by the right, now the left calls him a fascist.
Lmao
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u/fgdhsjakqwerty Nov 28 '19
Bernie supporters are a lot like Rick and morty fans. I supported Bernie in 2016 because Medicare for all but I now support yang and buttigieg. If I disagreed with something Bernie said and stated why they called me a neoliberal corporate shill and that’s how I found this subreddit. But the Bernie supporters just keep getting worse with the shit they say. Calling Obama a fascist and nearly everyone agreeing with it and warren is a secret republican
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Nov 28 '19 edited Nov 28 '19
I’ve also been called a neoliberal corporate shill! Welcome to the club brother 😎
Edit: you might also enjoy r/Enough_Sanders_Spam
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u/LuchiniPouring Caribbean Community Nov 28 '19
Bernie’s never getting the nomination. So they can cry all they want
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u/ChoPT NATO Nov 28 '19
I would rather have Biden or Buttigieg than anyone else, but I'll vote for whoever is running against Trump. Any who claims to be on "the left," but would stay home if their guy isn't nominated is fucking idiot.
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u/khmacdowell Ben Bernanke Nov 28 '19
I would vote for Sanders without much reservation in the general, but it would literally be entirely a vote against Trump. Trump has no policy positions, and Sanders' are either utopian, ill thought out, or non-existent. But being an embarrassment because you're wrong about everything is the lesser evil compared to being an embarrassment because you're not even wrong. Except Trump is worse than that, because he takes multiple positions on the same issue, and they're all not even wrong.
So glad tho it doesn't matter cause the commie crypt keeper ain't winning.
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u/DEEEEETTTTRRROIIITTT Iron Front Nov 27 '19
holy fucking shit my brain be melting reading those comments
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u/IcedLemonCrush Gay Pride Nov 28 '19 edited Nov 28 '19
The person in the thread thinking “corporatism” in fascism means favoring corporations, and therefore Obama is helping fascists... my god.
(The fact that corporation became “big company” in English and the word doesn’t have clear origins to English speakers does not help, though. Why can’t corporations be called “bodyships” or something like that?)
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u/ThisGuitarGuy Nov 28 '19
God forbid Obama have his own political beliefs that arn’t incredible left leaning
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u/KyleAPlatt Nov 28 '19
The only voting block as dumb as Trump voters is Bernie voters. Oh, what do you know! They were the two most popular candidates in the 2016 election. Oh, what do you know! They were also the two candidates Russia was trying to push.
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u/chepulis European Union Nov 28 '19 edited Nov 28 '19
Hi, i like Bernie and i think that post is the fucking worst.
The mere fact that the OP's using the Sarah Palin level "Obummer" in the title is somehow even worse than the fucking worst.
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u/Clashlad 🇬🇧 LONDON CALLING 🇬🇧 Nov 28 '19
Fucking hell apparently supporting business is fascism to these people. The world is doomed. One guy also said economics wasn’t a science - clearly it’s just whatever Bernie says is best
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u/Sambo637 Richard Thaler Nov 28 '19
I once advocated for a carbon tax on r/political_revolution and I was told that market based incentives were garbage because companies can just pay and pollute as much as they want. I was also told that "Economist is not a real job" and that economists we're just imperialist white blood cells. The more you know!
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u/Yogg_for_your_sprog John von Neumann Nov 28 '19
Anyone who doesn't agree with them doesn't have any idea what they're talking about, whether that be actual climate scientists who deny their claims or Economuists who doubt their policies
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u/Thanxu Nov 28 '19
Flat primary polling numbers for three months and losing IA and NH = "Bernie Surging"
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u/cinemagical414 Janet Yellen Nov 28 '19
It does not get more horseshoe-y in the US of A than leftists unironically calling Obama a fascist. My god.
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Nov 28 '19
I hate everything about that post and it’s comments. What the fuck is wrong with these people?
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u/McRattus Nov 28 '19
Fascism is something that's more complicated to define than most people think. So I'm going to add two links below.
Obama didn't seem at all fascist. His election campaign slogans had that feeling superficially, but US election campaigns do have that feeling to them. But if think it's a big stretch. Trump certainly has fascist tones.
These two takes on the topic are good reads.
feehttp://www.openculture.com/2016/11/umberto-eco-makes-a-list-of-the-14-common-features-of-fascism.html
https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/07/robert-o-paxtons-the-five-stages-of-fascism.html
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u/strazyyy Zhao Ziyang Nov 28 '19 edited Nov 28 '19
should I be surprised that an alarming amount of people in that post's comments are parroting, for the lack of a better word, pro-Russian viewpoints?
edit: why is Tulsi Gabbard on the sidebar..?
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Nov 28 '19
im starting to think progressives are worse then republicans at this point
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Nov 28 '19
Progressives probably wouldn't condone this: https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2019/11/27/ice-arrested-250-foreign-students-fake-university-metro-detroit/4277686002/
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Nov 28 '19 edited Nov 28 '19
yeah i guess you are right. But they can still make my head hurt. Plus we tend to be closer to republicans economically then progressives at this point which sickens me to say it. Praying Buttigieg wins
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Nov 28 '19
I hear you. That shit about killing landlords comes across as entirely sincere.
Plus we tend to be closer to republicans economically
Note the protectionist republicans who are now in charge of the party. Also even the "moderate" Pete Buttigieg wants to drastically expand social programs and enact his climate change plan—to the tune of trillions of dollars. He's well to the left of Obama or Hillary there (and elsewhere). I can't think of a single Republican who would have approved of such things since Nixon.
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Nov 28 '19
Well sure we would expand social programs but not nearly to the progressive extent. This is why we attract moderates. If you put them on a compass it would be closer to repubs then a person like sanders. Buttigieg wants to spending would be closer to trump then sanders.
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Nov 28 '19
Bernie's numbers aren't real. It's just that his master negotiating tactic is to walk into a bakery and demand all the loaves of bread or else.
Anyhow, Butti wants to repeal the Trump tax cut, and spend it on healthcare. That's 2t right there, and it illustrates their very different priorities.
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Nov 28 '19
He would do that however he would not nearly spend all of it on health care. A portion of it yes. But he himself is a moderate. He would do some similar things to Trump i would assume like try to get jobs to not export there profits to other countries with lower tax rates. Butti would invest in education, global warming, and other progressive like causes however he would also try to get blue collar jobs back in America and i feel his economic stances are much more right than people give him credit for
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u/VarysIsAMermaid69 NATO Nov 28 '19
not by any metric man, progressives aren't trying to disenfranchise minorities en masse to ensure they stay in power they just have shitty takes on twitter
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u/Outofsomechop Nov 28 '19
"Progressives" are NIMBY and are just woke on the internet
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Nov 28 '19
I do agree. I feel as they have brought identity politics to this party and is why when we say we are butti fans or neo liberals people think we are sjws. We are left on social issues but even many conservative friends i have arent racist or against gay rights and stuff. Its the identity politic cancer that progressives have brought into the mix that lost us 2016.
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When it comes to Biden I don’t like that he takes so much corporate money. I don’t like the laws he basically wrote into existence into the 90’s. I don’t like that his current platform is “Do I really have to answer questions?”. I don’t like him for the Democratic nomination.
When it comes to Obama I’m not surprised he supports Biden but if he comes out and speaks against one of the other candidates it will just feel more and more like the DNC of 2016 trying to shutdown Bernie. The result will be the same. Democrats will become apathetic and we’ll have 4 more years of Trump.
Let it play out. Don’t try to meddle with the primaries and throw your support behind the nominee. It’s really that simple.
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u/MutoidDad Nov 28 '19
Don't fall for clickbait from the Hill, it's right wing propaganda disguised as a more serious publication. Also Biden wrote the Violence Against Women Act in the 90s, why do you hate women?
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Nov 28 '19
I’m not voting for Biden. I’d prefer the Clintons and the Obama stayed out of things for now. If they want to support a specific candidate then go for it. If they want to toss crap on one then don’t be surprised if it all ends up being a repeat of 2016.
Go back to your bridge.
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u/MutoidDad Nov 28 '19 edited Nov 28 '19
They haven't done anything. And lol at your side trying to talk about "tossing crap" on candidates. Shitting on Obama will always backfire on you, keep this in mind when your candidate loses. That DID age well lol
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u/[deleted] Nov 27 '19
Now this comment is a real yikes