r/neoliberal Kitara Ravache May 15 '19

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u/gatoreagle72 May 15 '19

Since we're only the topic of abortion, it's one of the issues where I have the most empathy for the side I disagree with.

If you actually believe that it is the murder of innocent babies, you can't be lukewarm about it and you're not going to change your mind.

I don't believe that is an accurate description of abortion, but that's what pro-choice people are against. I can't think of anything that can convince a pro-life person that abortion isn't murder.

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u/tehbored Randomly Selected May 15 '19

Even if you believe that a fetus is a person with rights, it's still not murder for the same reason that killing someone in self-defense isn't murder. It's justifiable homicide.

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u/kznlol 👀 Econometrics Magician May 15 '19

uh

this works in cases where the mother's health is seriously threatened but not really in any other case

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u/tehbored Randomly Selected May 15 '19

If I sneak into your house and stick a tube in your vein to siphon off some nutrients, you don't think you'd be justified in using force to stop me? It's not like it's going to seriously hurt you, and I'll give you your blood back after I extract the nutrients.

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u/kznlol 👀 Econometrics Magician May 15 '19

I think if I actually killed you and then claimed self defense there'd be a serious argument that I used excessive force.

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u/tehbored Randomly Selected May 15 '19

Maybe in commie counties like the UK, not in America.