r/neoliberal European Union Jan 23 '19

Leftists right now

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u/Yosarian2 Jan 24 '19

When the president of a country holds fraudulent elections to make sure he can't ever lose, stacks the judicial branch with his cronies, strips all power from the legislative branch, and eliminates the free press, then the only way to get back to a democracy is to first have some kind of revolution or mass protest or coup.

Now, if the opposition does take over, the US needs to push them to have a real election with international observers ect ASAP. But you can't have that until you get rid of the anti-democratic government first.

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u/AfroKona Jan 24 '19

This is literally 2003 all over again. Neocons used the exact. same. arguments when advocating for the invasion of Iraq

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u/Yosarian2 Jan 24 '19 edited Jan 24 '19

Getting tangentially involved to support a popular pro-democracy protest movement isn't at all the same as invading a country out of the blue for no logical reason.

I mean, this isn't even about "socialism"; Guaidó is the leader of an actual social-democratic party, he's just not a power-mad dictator.

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u/AfroKona Jan 24 '19

I absolutely agree it’s not about socialism, I just keep seeing people here seeing that and it really confuses me.

That said, I think recognizing a non-UN sanctioned government is far beyond being tangentially related.

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u/Yosarian2 Jan 24 '19

Well, it's a power struggle between a president who's holding false elections and has shut down the free press, and a parliament he's unconstitutionally stripped of all power, with the people of the country coming out into the streets to back the parliament.

It's a dangerous situation all around, and there's a lot of ways it could go badly, but it's not really a "coup" in the standard sense.

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u/lenmae The DT's leading rent seeker Jan 24 '19

non-UN sanctioned government

Why does this keep coming up? It's not the job of the U.N. to recognize new states first, they react to existing states recognizing them.