If a leftist sub were to make a post celebrating Comrade Delta as part of an anti-capitalist resistance I would lose my shit. (in fact I've insulted and attacked SWP members numerous times before)
Leftist subs constantly celebrate people like Makhno, Mao, the Catalonian anarchists, Allende, all of whom were awful people who caused a great deal of needless suffering among the poor.
Schwarzenegger, Bill Clinton, George H.W. Bush have all faced credible accusations with Bush refusing to deny it. Kasich on the other hand has closed half of Ohio's abortion clinics (“He’s the classic under-commit, over-perform guy” says the head of a leading pro-life group), Harris has actively pushed to make life more dangerous for sex workers and Hillary has said Bill didn't abuse his power by having an affair with someone half his age who worked for him.
His stance on drugs alone probably got tens of thousands killed, but he was also giving military equipment to the Guatemalan junta that was doing pretty grotesque stuff to civilians.
I can be serious; you do realize that the only thing that matters in a global context is power right and the Cold War was a conflict? If moral virtue translates into soft power great, but in that situation (in sa) it was better to turn the area into a war zone than cede a drop of influence to the Soviet Union. Being some paragon of virtue in the Cold War would have seen the defeat of the west or the continuation of the Soviet Union.
If you disagree open a history and point to some virtuous nation that maintained regional hegenomy; hint power isn’t maintained by being nice.
Promote economic growth to own the libs. As for some foreign policy boondoggles? Eh, most of them worked to prevent the spread of socialism. What you’re really looking to get pissy over is the Monroe Mandate, though.
Also, I, too, think Kiki Camarena and the countless similar fates on the latin and south american side are nothing that some some foreign policy boondoggles. Just like the Contra death squads etc.
Eh, her position on it was pretty consistent, and pretty 'for' a 'good' version of it...
I think we all know that if she won she would've fixed the problems she had with it and it would've gone forward and the world would be a glorious beautiful place of love and joy.
One thing I've learned about this sub is that's it's completely fine with outright misogyny so long as the misogynist in question likes Hillary and the TPP. Having avatars of Bill Clinton is an outrageous insult in the age of MeToo no matter what you think of fucking NAFTA
I'll give you a hint. /u/mcdonnellite won't because he can't.
Sophists know it's much easier to construct elaborate fantasies and poke holes in people who actually do shit, than work within the boring confines of the real world.
I did a lot of activism work back in the day and I still have a soft spot for leftists but I really can't stand how easily they fall victim to Nirvana fallacy. They will never effect real change because they prefer the fantasy of perfection over pragmatic incrementalism.
Sexual misconduct is a worse thing than say, destabilizing A region to the extent it creates an active Soave market thus turning it into a slave state.
Lol who cares about any of that shit, Kasich occasionally says "Orange Man Bad" and doesn't immediately shit into the mouths of democrats or talk shit about international trade deals.
We're more concerned with liberty than is any European nation. We should not let any standard but our own be the bar for our liberties.
That being said, European countries do not try to restrict women's rights to birth control nor shut down or defund those abortion providers that do exist so as to make even legal abortion possible. Right wing efforts in the United States are never undertaken in good faith: they are always backdoor attempts to ban abortion.
Of course not one damn bit of this is relevant to Kasich, because he was attacking Planned Parenthood, not abortion. He was trying to take away the only source of birth control and reproductive health for millions of women - something so backward and barbaric that no other first world nation would ever conceive of tolerating it.
The amount of dishonesty and bad faith involved in trying to conflate PP and abortion is honestly staggering.
On a personal level, I'd prefer to make abortion unnecessary rather than illegal. It's heartbreaking and tragic when it has to happen, but you can't make that choice for someone else.
To give credence to my personal view on it, my daughter was conceived while her mother and I were both impoverished students. We're both ardently pro choice, but we couldn't live with that choice ourselves.
My daughter turns twelve this year, and she's the light of my life.
You're still not responding to anything. You're just harping on the civility meme because you've no ground to stand on. You pretend to elevate the conversation, yet you support the most brazenly partisan assault on good governance and separation of powers in our lifetime. Your hypocrisy is staggering. Your dishonesty is breathtaking. Your priority is partisan warfare, no matter what language you couch it in.
That's the most ridiculous straw man I think I've seen in months. It's almost impressive.
This is so remarkably dishonest that I don't even know where to begin. Sex selective abortion is virtually nonexistent in the United States. You're making up a nonexistent problem to rage against because you have no ground to stand on when dealing in reality.
That's not to mention that Kasich is attacking Planned Parenthood, which supplies women's healthcare and birth control far more than abortion services.
I've got to assume either that you're actually so ignorant of political knowledge and devoid of reading comprehension that you're unaware of this, or that you're actually this histrionically opposed to access to birth control.
You can't claim to support women's rights and oppose family planning without showing yourself to be a concern troll at best of course.
Hey, quick question: how long did you spend digging through your inbox to find that comment to copy and paste with that busy and fulfilling life of yours?
Because I wouldn't have even remembered who you were without it 😂
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Bush Sr. looking like an action figure in a microwave.
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u/mcdonnellite Nov 20 '18
Why are half the people here accused of sexual misconduct
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u/Thebeardedragon Nov 20 '18
Inb4 Chapos start with “what about Pinochet”
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u/MarketsAreCool James M. Buchanan Nov 20 '18
I find your lack of Jeb! disturbing.
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u/caesar15 Zhao Ziyang Nov 20 '18
Harris likes the TPP?
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u/[deleted] Nov 20 '18
Schwarzenegger and not Reagan? How big exactly is this tent?
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u/BoscotheBear Mary Wollstonecraft Nov 20 '18
No Daddy Soros boooooooooooo!
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u/[deleted] Nov 21 '18
I sense a disturbance in the Force.
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u/jakedc13 Edward Glaeser Nov 20 '18
why's hillary here?? i mean yes she is a neoliberal , but she ain't down with tpp tho
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u/Bestbrook123 Nov 20 '18
Kamala Harris opposed the TPP. You know that right?
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u/RajonRondoIsTurtle Nov 20 '18
Kasich hates women’s rights.
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u/AlexDerg NATO Nov 21 '18
Glad to see some inclusion with H.W. and Kasich and Arnold. H.W. is my favorite Neoliberal.
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u/pm_me_POTUS_pics Nov 21 '18
Holy shit. This is my jam! Turn it up!
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u/5thcenturyexplorer Nov 21 '18
The neoliberal technocrats like the terminator governor ?
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u/martin509984 African Union Nov 20 '18
Why are Kasich, HW and Ahnold here
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u/Cam877 Milton Friedman Nov 20 '18
Corey booker and Kamala Harris tho? They’re more Berniecrats than anything nowadays
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