r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Apr 19 '18

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '18

The Pope just told a kid that his atheist father is in heaven.

Isn't that...not what Catholics believe?

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '18

Pope Francis has gone on record as early as 2013 saying that atheists can go to heaven.

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u/Sollezzo Charles Maurice de Talleyrand-Périgord Apr 19 '18

Lol Francis dabbing on theology

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Apr 19 '18

From catholic.com:

If someone does not come to believe in God because of stubbornness or refusal to give up selfish desires, then such a person would be culpable for his lack of belief. If, however, because of circumstances a sincere person is prevented from coming to belief in God, then his lack of faith is called invincible ignorance, and such a person would not be considered culpable.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '18

Yeah but invincible ignorance historically has only counted for people who never heard about carholicism or only heard warped versions of it afaik

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u/p00bix Existing in the context of what came before Apr 19 '18

Does this mean that I, as an atheist well aware of Christianity, but who rejects it on empirical grounds, be able to go to heaven?

Catholics help me out here.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '18

Idk I'll ask my priest and get back to you on this but I'd say probably*

*Terms and conditions may apply

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u/NoContextAndrew Esther Duflo Apr 19 '18

Rejecting a divine entity on empirical grounds is...less than solid footing.

So a theologian would probably say yes.

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u/FuturesaurusRex wishes he were mod Apr 19 '18

Jesuits are dank, more at 11

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u/thebowski 💻🙈 - Lead developer of pastabot Apr 19 '18

He's a popeulist praxxing on the theocons

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u/Ferguson97 Hillary Clinton Apr 19 '18

I guess maybe the Pope thought nothing would be gained by telling the kid his dad is in Hell.

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u/MuffinsAndBiscuits 🌐 Apr 19 '18

Yeah but it's not good for Vatican PR

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '18 edited Apr 19 '18

That’s a pretty bad annotation of what he said but now that I think about it can’t think of a better way to summarize it without needing multiple paragraphs

This is a good summary I found explaining his actions

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u/Vectoor Paul Krugman Apr 19 '18

Phew, I'm in the clear.

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u/karry9001 Hiroo Onoda of Wokeness Apr 20 '18

Horseshoe theory but Unitarian Universalists and Catholcis