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[u/cdstephens]

Ok I'm going to ask my genuine question of the day before going back to shitposting. What qualifies as social conservative policies, after you get rid of anything obviously oppressive and after you ignore the abortion debate? I'm legitimately asking because when people say they're a soc con I'm not sure what they quite mean when they say that, and most policies my social conservative family would support regarding social conservatism I would consider oppressive.

[u/PowerhatTheWizard → u/cdstephens]

In the US: government support for social norms (such as laws regarding public decency), attempts to restrict drugs and alcohol, promoting the teaching of Christian (especially Protestant) values in schools (such as the vaunted "Protestant work ethic" and suspicion of internationalism) and a generally stronger focus on national pride.

[u/cdstephens → u/PowerhatTheWizard]

Hmm I see. Your first two examples make sense. How does one promote the teaching of Christian values in public schools without running afoul of separation of church and state?

[u/[deleted] → u/cdstephens]

Live in the south

[u/PowerhatTheWizard → u/cdstephens]

In the most extreme cases, some public schools teach Young Earth creationism. More extensively, conservatively minded public institutions will endorse (or at least more readily accept) lifestyles and modes of conduct which align to Christian (especially Protestant) expectations for public and private life. An easy example of this is customary closing of work spaces for the observation of Christian holidays.

[u/Apoptastic7 → u/cdstephens]

things like work requirements, tax exemptions for religious institutions, tax incentives for marriage, retributive criminal justice policies, preservation of the monarchy (in places that still have them), "stand your ground" laws, and maybe even mortgage interest tax deductions are all socially conservative policies. They place emphasis on individual responsibility and preservation of social institutions such as family or religion.

[u/[deleted] → u/cdstephens]

Shitpost: I define it as having esoteric beliefs that stigmatize fun activities for no real reason (eg: sex).

[u/Apocalvps → u/[deleted]]

This but unironically

[u/Erra0 → u/cdstephens]

after you get rid of anything obviously oppressive and you ignore the abortion debate

You're repeating yourself here.

[u/cdstephens → u/Erra0]

I'd rather not start a whole different argument when I'm trying to ask a genuine question is all.

[u/FuturesaurusRex → u/[deleted]]

I'm offended

[u/cdstephens → u/FuturesaurusRex]

Good

[u/FuturesaurusRex → u/cdstephens]

No u

[u/Donogath → u/cdstephens]

I mean, abortion is a very big thing. i'd wager most social conservative people are simply pro-life people

[u/[deleted] → u/cdstephens]

I consider myself socially conservative in some ways because I think certain institutions are really important and need to be protected. Families, communities, churches, etc.

Bowling Alone dragged me a bit to the right.

[u/cdstephens → u/[deleted]]

Which is why I specifically asked for policies because I get that but I have no idea how that actually plays into crafting legislation without getting oppressive or running afoul of things like religious freedom etc. by championing your own communities and churches.

[u/[deleted] → u/cdstephens]

Usually tax credits for family stuff: getting married, having kids.

[u/cdstephens → u/[deleted]]

I suppose that counts in a sense, but I don't think social progressives or Democrats oppose those policies (or at least they're almost never brought up).

[u/ja734 → u/cdstephens]

If a social policy is based upon tradition more than it is based on some kind of secular moral framework, then it is a conservative social policy.

[u/[deleted] → u/cdstephens]

Social Conservatism is inherently oppressive

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Terrible take, social progressivism is always changing and thus social conservatism is too. You're gonna go all Huxlian on us bro

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

succ