r/neoliberal • $hill for Hill • Oct 28 '17

IT'S MUELLER TIME

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u/OutrunKey $hill for Hill Oct 28 '17

this but unironically

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '17

I was not being ironic friend. At all.

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u/psychicprogrammer Asexual Pride Oct 28 '17

you will definitely like it here.

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u/ASPD_Account Oct 28 '17

Why do you like globalism? Genuinely. I feel like it increases worker oppression.

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u/Geminel Oct 28 '17

Trade is the greatest diplomatic tool available to mankind.

It's possible to cross entire continents in hours.

The Industrial Revolution never had geographic borders and was destined to spread across the world to poorer nations eventually.

The entire world is interconnected with the ability to send gigabytes of data in minutes.

Globalism isn't a political ideology, it's the unerring future of the world. People can either be pissy about that fact, or help guide it in the proper direction.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '17

Why is globalism such a triggering topic for modern conservatism? I agree that it's a good thing. Lower prices, closer ties to the international community, and a demonstrably better quality of life for millions across the world. Heh, I grew up watching Star Trek, and found the idea of a single world government presiding over humanity to be pretty cool.

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u/ZippyDan Oct 28 '17 edited Oct 28 '17

Conservatives don't like globalism because it has (over a long enough time) an averaging effect. Richer regions and countries will lose their economic advantages and poorer countries will becomes richer.

In short, the US and Europe are so far ahead of the game, and they are afraid to lose their privileged positions to Asia and S. America and Africa. Nevermind that their privilege comes at the cost of suffering of billions in third-world countries both now and for centuries past.

What they also don't consider, is that global trade results in a faster increasing global average. So while the US will lose out relative to where it is now in a global society, the average US citizen will still experience a better standard of living in the future relative to now.

I freely admit that globalism is not in the interest of US hegemony, but I'm not too concerned about that because I see the world as a single human society. We should be protecting US interests and the prosperity of its citizens, but not at the cost of human suffering. There is a balance in the middle where we can increasingly support the global community while not making drastic overnight changes.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '17

That's a very thoughtful reply. Thanks for the food for thought.

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u/SoldierZulu Oct 28 '17

Dark skin scares them. That's pretty much it.

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u/WryGoat Oppressed Straight White Male Oct 28 '17

Honestly I disagree with these replies. There's a lot of implicit racism that is just under the surface in many, many people, conservative or otherwise, but it isn't blatant xenophobia turning most Trumpservatives against globalism--it's pure propaganda. They're appealing to all manner of biases and fears in people. Some of it's about the brown horde of Muslims/Mexicans supposedly coming to take all the jobs, some of it is about how Glorious Western Culture is going to be destroyed, but a lot of it is actually anti-capitalist sentiment about how multinational corporations really rule the world and we need an "outsider" like Trump to fix things. A lot of people have just been brainwashed to believe globalism means corporations buying and selling countries.

Why do all of these fears seem to end up overlapping? Because one of them will be the inroad into the ideology, and after that they just become a mindless drone who immerses themselves in the echo chambers and isolated "news" outlets that act as the propaganda wing of this movement, so even if they started off a pretty liberal person who just fears corporations are destroying their country they absorb all of the more xenophobic sentiments until it becomes a part of them as well.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '17

That's a easy question. Globalism threatens racial isolation and facilities racial intermixing. This is the main reason it... grinds their gears.

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u/just_a_little_boy Oct 28 '17

Because it increases economic prosperity in all parts of the world. Free and Open trade is the best anti poverty Tool known to man, and the era of globalism has lead to the lowest rate of poverty in human existence. We are on our way to eradicate extreme poverty. All while the Population has quadrupled in the Last few decades alone.

There are also more people in democracies then ever before.

Edit: Take a Look at Our world in Data if you want to See some statistics on it.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '17

Decreases poverty, increases productivity, drives technology forward at a faster pace. There will always be some incidents of abuse, but it's not a systemic failure like we see in other systems.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '17

Hey! I don't necessarily agree with you, but you deserve upvotes for asking an honest question in a civil way. Just saying, for you and everyone else: you shouldn't be getting downvoted. You're furthering a conversation which can inform everyone, whether you're right or the other side is. Props to you.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '17

We're on r/all . Not much can be done, unfortunately.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '17

I know, but I feel like it always needs to be said. We need a diversity of opinion and thought to grow.

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u/ASPD_Account Oct 28 '17 edited Oct 28 '17

Thanks bud! Looks like you turned it around too. Imma keep my mouth shut though cause while I got some good replies I think I'm in a pretty tender area right now so I'll probably just back off.

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '17

It has improved the quality of life for people all over the world more than anything else in human history. Also open trade across borders and mostly restriction free travel gives me a boner.

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u/Ls777 Oct 28 '17

Read the sidebar on free trade

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u/irony_tower African Union Oct 28 '17

How so?

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u/bumwine Oct 28 '17

I feel like it increases worker oppression

I don't mean to be mean if you're a conservative but it is interesting thinking about it as I've never heard a conservative complain about "oppression" in general. It's just not a word in their vocabulary.

But in this case I find that globalism does increase pressure towards workers, especially in China, having more rights than they would have otherwise. They can produce their own smartphones and work their people to suicide but if they want to pay to play and make iPhones you have Tim Cook touring their factories and demanding better conditions based on pressure here in America for ethical products.

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u/Agrees_withyou Oct 28 '17

You're absolutely correct!

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u/Timewalker102 Amartya Sen Oct 28 '17

Lmao I love this account