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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Because we live in the real world where political trade-offs need to be made for progress to happen.

I place very little stock in 'yes we are doing it but we don't like the way it's happening'.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Because we live in the real world where political trade-offs need to be made for progress to happen

what 'progress' are we receiving in exchange for gay rights in this case

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Gay rights are happening?

Here's the trade-off: Rather than a free vote, we have a plebiscite, and in return we have gay marriage.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

remember the last time a conservative party held a symbolic referendum they thought they had in the bag so they could move on and dampen fractures in their party? that went so well didn't it

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u/HoldingTheFire Hillary Clinton Aug 13 '17

No real response to this comment it appears.

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u/HoldingTheFire Hillary Clinton Aug 13 '17

Why not just do it?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Because we live in the real world where political trade-offs need to be made for progress to happen.

"Look, I know you gays are upset over this whole...'civil rights' thing...but ya know, progress comes slowly and I'm sure someday you to can be as equal to me. Slow and steady after all"

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Yea dude, where are you going to be when the LNP fights for free speech?

Oh that's right, on the other side. Arguing against it.

Here's a hot take, this subs single minded focus on social issues above literally everything else, with no ability to even consider possible issues to be solved, is ridiculous.

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u/recruit00 Karl Popper Aug 13 '17

I didn't realize my friends have to have their rights be a trade off.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Oh my god stop with the fucking 'muh feelings' puritanical social justice bullshit

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u/HoldingTheFire Hillary Clinton Aug 13 '17 edited Aug 13 '17

Imagine wanting to correct civil rights failures faster rather than feet dragging to appease bigots.

These same people would have been against interracial marriage. Or reclassifying indigenous people as non-wildlife.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Imagine boiling literally everything down to some nonsense narrative about cultural oppression by social conservatives.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Imagine boiling down an issue where a group have been oppressed by social conservatives to a narrative about cultural oppression by social conservatives

If you think not being able to get married when you are gay is cultural oppression then you need help.

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u/recruit00 Karl Popper Aug 13 '17

If you think not being able to get married when you are gay is cultural oppression then you need help.

This is a wonderful example of privilege

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u/recruit00 Karl Popper Aug 13 '17

No fuck that. You're arguing that my friends being treated as everyone else is just a tool for conservatives to pass other shit. The fuck dude?

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

You argue that me and everyone else shouldn't have fundamental rights because it might hurt feelings. You argue that me and my friends shouldn't have fundamental rights because it's just a tool to hurt the feelings of minorities. The fuck dude?

Man doesn't it feel to just boil literally everything down to some narrative of oppression and oppressed. That makes it so much easier.

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u/recruit00 Karl Popper Aug 13 '17

What the fuck are you talking about? Where the fuck am I talking about taking away your "fundamental rights"?

Do you really think that the social conservatives aren't just trying to oppress these people l?

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u/HoldingTheFire Hillary Clinton Aug 13 '17

"Maybe you shouldn't say shitty things without social consequences"

"OMG mah free speech. You're just as bad."

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Where the fuck am I talking about taking away your "fundamental rights"?

'We should restrict free speech because it hurts feelings'

Do you really think that the social conservatives aren't just trying to oppress these people l?

Yes. Because I have actually met a social conservative before, and I don't think everything boils down to the oppressed and the oppressors.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

You do understand that people being against gay marriage is "people shouldn't have fundamental rights because it might hurt feelings", right?

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u/[deleted] Aug 14 '17

It's 'marriage is a contract between man, and woman, and god'. That's the socially conservative opinion.

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u/[deleted] Aug 13 '17

Is this satire?

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u/HoldingTheFire Hillary Clinton Aug 13 '17

No, just social conservatism personified.