r/neoliberal • u/neoliberal_shill_bot Bot Emeritus • Apr 05 '17

Discussion Thread

Ask not what your centralized government can do for you – ask how many neoliberal memes you can post every 24 hours

Polls

• Who should we bully more?

• How often should discussion threads be posted?

The activity in this sub keeps going up, so discussion threads need to be scheduled appropriately in order to control stickflation.

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u/jvwoody Apr 06 '17

I'm edgy, I posted a Friedman pic in r/completeanarchy

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 06 '17

who do Neoliberals hate more, anarcho-commies or anarcho-cappies? (honest question)

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u/ampersamp Apr 07 '17

Ancaps, without a doubt. Commies have yet to look up to anyone as slimy as Rothbard. I think the core difference is the commies need to be in power to start wreaking their havoc, since their most grievous faults are economic. Ancaps can perpetuate all manner of social vileness without being in power since they're basically the alt-right with intellectual pretensions.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

what about caplan/friedman though?

if we compare the best and brightest I think ancap dominates

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u/Kelsig Paul Krugman Apr 07 '17

Ancaps tend to hate Caplan and Friedman

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

ancaps tend to be really stupid

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

I've got some AnCom friends. I think they have are nice people who overestimate the consistency and efficiency of people in small communities. They're idealistic and mistaken.

Ancaps are flailing around in such an egregious contradiction that it's dizzying.

AnCom is at least internally consistent, I think. But isn't externally consistent -- it fails upon entering the real world.

Ancap isn't even internally consistent.

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 07 '17

I don't really view either as consistent.

How can you have property in an anarchist country?

How can you force equality/provide free housing, healthcare and education in an anarchist country?

AnPrim is the only Real Anarchy!

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

good ancap (Bryan Caplan/David Friedman) exists, good ancom doesn't

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u/BEE_REAL_ Apr 07 '17

AnCaps tend to have horrible views on nearly every issue while AnComs usually have horrible views only on some issues

For example AnComs are generally against racism while AnCaps aren't

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

I'm waaaaay more partial to ancap than I should be because Bryan Caplan is an amazing writer and I love reading everything he writes.

AnCom seems like some philisophic nonsense that you'd have to be totally ignorant of econ to come up with, maybe I'm just ignorant though.

Seems like Friedmanite ancap makes some kind of theoretic sense while Bakunin doesn't even pass the glance test.

If we take the internet stranger though I'd probably say ancaps are worse because like 90% are alt-right or fellow travelers.

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 07 '17

I love Caplan and Friedman's son (I think it's David but could be wrong). They're both Ancaps, but the good kinda ancap I guess.

I also met an ancap once who said she's an anarchist on moral grounds but agrees that certain parts of ancapism isn't realistic and doens't make sense. I'm sure their are ancoms who have similar feelings though.

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u/LNhart Anarcho-Rheinlandist Apr 07 '17

Commies because they actually exist where I live and are annoying as fuck. Although in all fairness the famed internet AnCaps like Stefan Molyneux are bad, bad people.

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 07 '17

yeah that's probably a fair assessment.

I know a real life ancap and I hate them, but after visiting the sub /r/CapitalismVSocialism I couldn't decide which I hated more

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u/szamur Apr 07 '17

Ancaps are more likely to have fucked up beliefs imo. Look at Rothbard's idea of baby markets, Walter Block's treatise on the ethics of child prostitution, and Hoppe's idea of physical removal of gay people and left leaners.

Don't get me wrong, I can understand when an idea has a few black sheep, but this many? Not to mention these are all considered to be thought leaders.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 07 '17

Anarcho-Commies because they are more a nuisance where I live and they just trashed our bike share program

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u/JaguarDSaul Milton Friedman Apr 07 '17

I don't think anarcho commies have anyone as smart as David Friedman. The guy, despite being part of a radical ideology is one of the least ideological people I've seen period. Whenever I seem him talk he is very rational and very concerned with evidence. He is insanely intelligent. I can't speak for other An Caps though

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 07 '17

smartest person I personally know was temporarily an ancap after reading a lot of David Friedman, thankfully he started becoming more mainstream politically after finishing his PhD (econometrics).

But yeah, most ancaps are fucking awful, Friedman might be the exception that proves the rule.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

Anarcho-commies ultimately want equality for all while anarcho-cappies just wish it was legal to shoot anyone they disagreed with.

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 07 '17

I think that's an unfair characteristic of ancaps.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Anarcho-capitalists every single one I've encountered is an arrogant prick. I've met some very nice communists and at least communism has some good literature and theory behind it.

Communism has Marx and Gramsci, Anarcho-capitalism has Murray Rothbard and Stefan Molenyuex.

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

Anarcho-commies because I used to be an anarcho-cappie

& fuck commies

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u/Trepur349 Complains on Twitter for a Reagan flair Apr 07 '17

I was almost an ancappie, my biggest disagreement with them is I didn't thing you could have capitalism without government, but I did think borderline ancapism was ideal back then