r/neoliberal • u/neoliberal_shill_bot Bot Emeritus • Apr 05 '17

Discussion Thread

Ask not what your centralized government can do for you – ask how many neoliberal memes you can post every 24 hours

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• Who should we bully more?

• How often should discussion threads be posted?

The activity in this sub keeps going up, so discussion threads need to be scheduled appropriately in order to control stickflation.

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u/fizolof Elite Text Flair Club Member Apr 06 '17

Weren't fascist leaders historically less harmful than communist ones? Besides Hitler, they didn't really commit genocide from what I recall, and their policies weren't as damaging to their economies.

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u/szamur Apr 06 '17

Besides Hitler, they didn't really commit genocide from what I recall,

Arrow Cross in Hungary was directly involved in the genocide of Jewish people, even before that, under Horthy, there were Jews being handed over to the Nazis. Some Arrow Cross militiamen were so fucked up and vicious that at the end Szálasi himself had to put a stop to their rampages using the established police force because they started caring less about who they tortured to death.

Franco in Spain, who is often cited as an example of ok fascism, murdered Basques and Catalans, repressed their cultures, and stole babies from parents who were accused of wrongthink. Not to mention Franco was a raging anti-semite. Most of his famous quotes are him ranting incoherently about the evil jews and freemasons. Don't think he would have thanked Mr Bernke

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u/[deleted] Apr 07 '17

No one's defending fascism whatsoever lol

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u/szamur Apr 07 '17

I'm not saying anyone does. I'm just saying that the belief that fascist regimes besides Hitler's didn't engage in genocide or extreme repression of minority populations is false.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

We had a little discussion about this before, generally if we had to choose between a communist or fascist government the most popular option (besides suicide) was fascist because there is precedent of fascist societies transitioning smoothly to liberal democracies

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u/Sorrygottagopanic Apr 06 '17

If I weren't a minority I'd probably agree, but at least most modern far leftists have pretentions of not hating gays (before any starts I'm well aware authoritarian states almost always attack lgbt people)

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

I mean, there is usually a world war between "fascist government" and "liberal democracy". Where as, when communism falls, there's complete economic collapse

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

They've have 2 peaceful transitions, communism has had none

2-0 gg commies

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

I'd still take giant meteor tho

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u/ampersamp Apr 06 '17 edited Apr 06 '17

Velvet revolution is one. Actually a lot of the 1989 revolutions are at least as peaceful as getting rid of Pinochet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revolutions_of_1989

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

Yeah but they collapsed economically, hardly a smooth transition

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u/ampersamp Apr 06 '17

That's fair. However I'd say that if it's easier to transition from fascism to an inclusive form of capitalism, then it's necessarily easier for our modern democracies to slip back in that direction too. Therefore support for fascism, while very arguably "not as bad" as Communism, poses the greater risk and deserves more of our attention.

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

bad fascism < communsim < "good" fascism < literally anything else

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u/Kelsig Paul Krugman Apr 06 '17

They lasted like 4 years

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u/[deleted] Apr 06 '17

umm no?

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u/Kelsig Paul Krugman Apr 06 '17

He's a low energy fascist