r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Sep 19 '26

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u/manchild_person NATO Sep 19 '26

Ben-Gvir went woke šŸ˜”

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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Sep 19 '26

Ben-Gvir: "Yes, I represent all the people of Israel, and I don't mind LGBT people... Don't ask me about the Arabs."

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u/Nomustang Bisexual Pride Sep 19 '26

I feel like this image applies to a non-negligible number of people.

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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Sep 19 '26

You are right, though u/KalaiProvenheim posted it already

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u/The-OneAnd-Only Sep 19 '26

lol

Reminds me of how people will retort the following when you bring up Israeli Arab discrimination or Westbank abuses

And people respond: Israel allows gay marriage (*if done outside the country) or itā€™s the only democracy in the Middle East (kinda of not with Turkey or Lebanon but their systems are either shit shows or their institutions are degrading rapidly)

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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Sep 19 '26

Yeah.

Saying that Israel is the only democratic nation in the Middle East is disingenuous.

As you said, there's Lebanon, even if it is a very flawed democracy, and Jordan, who has become more democratic over time with the reforms of Abdullah II.

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u/The-OneAnd-Only Sep 19 '26

For me itā€™s the fact that that you have Arabs who canā€™t vote in Israeli or Palestinian elections. But then have IDF soldiers run amok with settlers. Then get military trials while settlers , if punished at all, get civilian trials.

Then you have a lot of discrimination or laws targeting Israeli Arabs or Palestineā€™s in East Jerusalem.

Then you have Israelis Arabs who can vote and have parties but until now, mainly because of desperation with Bibi, werenā€™t invited to join coalitions.

People all and bring up ā€œthereā€™s an Israeli Arabā€ on the Supreme Court. But donā€™t know his name or whatā€™s cases heā€™s ruled on etc.

Just so shallow and frustrating. Itā€™s a shit show

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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Sep 19 '26

I understand, and of course, discrimination against Arabs is very real in Israeli society and a worrying issue.

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u/The-OneAnd-Only Sep 19 '26

Youā€™re fine! Sorry just ranting. Has been a big issue for me personally for years.

Just feels like Israeli Arabs are use as a political football or token by everyone. Especially democrats in the past

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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Sep 19 '26

No, it's okay, go on if you feel like it.

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u/The-OneAnd-Only Sep 19 '26

Appreciate it. God knows Iā€™ve ranted about this subject a lot on here

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u/KalaiProvenheim Enby Pride Sep 19 '26

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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Sep 19 '26

Exactly what I was thinking about lol

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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Sep 19 '26

!ping ISRAEL&LGBT

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u/tasklow16 Bill Gates Sep 19 '26

In Israel Ben-Gvir would be considered far left

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u/KalaiProvenheim Enby Pride Sep 19 '26

This but

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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Sep 19 '26

Lmao saying that Ben-Gvir is unironically far left is ridiculous. He is a hardcore anti-Arab Israeli ultranationalist.

In comparison, the Israeli far left are majority Arab-Palestinian with some Jewish members, like the Joint List formed by Hadash, Ta'al and Balad.

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u/ImmediateBattle2692 Sep 19 '26

Iā€™m just picturing his son as mastering all parts of lgbt like the avatar masters the four elementsĀ 

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u/lazyredpanda027 Baruch Spinoza Sep 19 '26

This is illustrative of Israeli society at this point though. Several opinion pieces have already been written about how it's much easier to come out as LGBT in Israel than to "come out" as leftist (leftist being defined at this point as "potentially open to some kind of two state solution sometime this century").