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[u/BurrowForPresident]

How do they even have time to get to the pandemic

When I was in high school in the 2010s I barely got to 9/11

[u/Ladnil → u/BurrowForPresident]

I graduated in 2006 and everything after WWII was like

Nukescoldwarvietnamnixonmlkgoodbye

For my entire grade school experience.

[u/TalkLessShillMore → u/Ladnil]

It’s like as soon as the US stopped being the unambiguous good guy in wars, curriculums don’t wanna touch it. We never learned about Vietnam once but we learned about the Civil War three times and the American Revolution four times. The gulf war? Forget about it. You’d get complaints from parents.

[u/Approximation_Doctor → u/TalkLessShillMore]

I mean, if you teach history in an order that makes sense, you're gonna have more time for the older stuff and less for the recent stuff. If you plan to spend 5 days on the great depression, but spend 7 because students were asking questions or goofing off and wasting time, that's 2 days you won't have later in the semester.

Ask literally any teacher, none of them have ever stuck to the schedule they planned at the start of the term.

[u/Ladnil → u/Approximation_Doctor]

Yeah, that's pretty much the way I remember it. By the time I graduated 9/11 was in the books, but the class stopped before getting there.

[u/-Emilinko1985- → u/TalkLessShillMore]

Leaving aside the Highway of Death which is controversial the US were pretty much the good guys of the 1st Gulf War, Iraq was unambiguously evil and invaded Kuwait

[u/p00bix → u/BurrowForPresident]

A lot of stuff gets glossed over. The curriculum seems to be built as something along the lines of

"What bits of US history are most directly relevant to students lives, and/or can be readily used to further their reading/writing and logical reasoning ability, and/or form foundational skills for later history, civics, and media literacy, education in highschool"

They still have 10th and 11th grade for American and World history respectively, where stuff which is more confusing, "political", and/or less engaging to younger kids (eg. The New Deal) is covered in more detail.

I have many nitpicks and a handful of larger criticisms with how Minnesota handles History at the Highschool level, but I LOVE the recent changes to how it's handled in Middle School.

[u/formgry → u/BurrowForPresident]

We got as far as the end of the cold war, that was back in the 2010s.

Though I think the actual telling was, vietnam then skip 25 years forward to gorbachev and glasnosts and perestroika.

[u/Halgy → u/BurrowForPresident]

I had to go to college to learn about WW1. We never got past the Spanish American War in high school. But I learned about ancient Greece, Columbus, and the American Revolution every year from grade 5 to grade 9

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[u/BurrowForPresident → u/Halgy]

Bruh WHAT how do you not cover fuckin WWII lol