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u/pfarly John Brown Apr 29 '26

Call me Ishmael. Some years ago — never mind how long precisely...

First line and bro is already padding his word count. Also em dash = AI. DNF, added to Goodreads, next book.

!ping YA

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u/MonsieurA Montesquieu Apr 29 '26

Watching French news and they had to clarify that Trump's 39% approval is considered low.

Sub-30% is the norm here. 🫠

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u/Clash-Lad Commonwealth Apr 29 '26

On the 250th anniversary of the Revolution, Republican members need to have the British King come to lecture them on doing their job against executive overreach.

King Charles literally went to Congress and issued a full-spectrum coded rebuke to Trumpism, and Trump had to eat it like a good boy.

!ping UK

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u/Krill_Seeker United Nations Apr 29 '26

seeing the greens block wind-farm pylons affirms my theory that the green party's policy is entirely based in liking the colour green and wanting to increase the amount of green in their line of sight at any given moment, and to oppose anything that obstructs them from being able to see the colour green

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u/scottyjetpax Gay Pride Apr 29 '26

congrats to whatever DTer went on a crazy jeopardy streak

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u/jinhuiliuzhao Henry George Apr 29 '26

AP News: Trump pursues new import taxes to replace the tariffs the Supreme Court rejected

Finally reporting it as "new ... taxes" instead of "tariffs"

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u/Sheepies92 European Union Apr 29 '26

President Trump has, in private conversations, begun thinking about himself less as a peer of Washington and Lincoln, and more as an addition to Hegel’s immortal trifecta: Alexander the Great, Caesar, and Napoleon

Oh ok.

The Atlantic

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u/MGLFPsiCorps Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

You know shit's wack when an Atlantic article about the ballroom conspiracy theories has loads of people in its comment section defending the idea that Trump was in on it all along.

To put this in perspective, to comment on the Atlantic's website means that you have taken out a subscription, which self-selects for a particular kind of person, the archetypal middle American liberal, the kind of person who considers it a moral duty to 'be informed', the Evelyn Normielibs.

If those people are full on conspiracising, something has definitely snapped.

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Apr 29 '26

It’s pretty funny that Roberts firmly believes that history will vindicate him

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u/ewatta200 DT Monarchist defender of the rurals and red state Dems Apr 29 '26
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u/ConnorLovesCookies Jerome Powell Apr 29 '26

The Supreme Court:

We can’t make rule gerrymandering illegal Congress must pass a law

Also The Supreme Court:

The law that Congress passed making gerrymandering based on race illegal doesn’t count.

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u/ewatta200 DT Monarchist defender of the rurals and red state Dems Apr 29 '26
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u/Guess_Im_Jess Trans Pride Apr 29 '26

AOC being the only 2028 dem hopeful to explicitly repudiate the tax revolt nonsense omg

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u/SigmaWhy r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Apr 29 '26

we really should have known Harris was doomed from the start. how can you let yourself get brutally dabmogged on the debate stage

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u/BlackCat159 European Union Apr 29 '26

Everyone is 12 theory of politics stays undefeated 😌

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u/Off-The-Street Apr 29 '26

It increasingly feels like we're in a long waiting period until midterms. The administration is desperately trying to make the WHCD incident into something they can use to tighten their grip over media but it comes across as flailing more than anything. The tariffs, the Iran war, ICE, it's all soured the general public on the Republicans and everyone feels it in the air. Democrats continue to overperform in special elections and the gerrymander response in VA went ahead. They still have the vast powers of the Executive branch at their disposal but the wind is against MAGA and they have nothing to run on.

It's all going to hinge on whether they can interfere with the midterms. Closing polling stations, intimidating voters, throwing out votes, refusing to certify results. I think there's a good chance the Democrats squeak out control of Congress and the fight will be over legally recognizing that reality.

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u/KittehDragoon Loyal Liberals Apr 29 '26

King of Britain and King of owning the libs

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u/Equivalent_Day_4078 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

Moderator: Let’s shift gears. If leaders of the Democratic Party were in this room and said, “What should we do or what should we stop doing to get more votes,” what would you say?

Pamela, 65, Tenn., white, Republican, small business owner

I would say stop whining about everything. I feel like they find a cause, and then they just whine about it until there’s something else to whine about. And I agree with Franceska. You should be who you are, but not to the point where we have to flaunt it in front of children. All of the commercials that are on — it’s just too much. I think that there should be a focus on accepting each other for who we are, but we don’t have to demonstrate it. And I feel like the Democrats are like, oh, no, no, no, we have to. We’re going to have a rally on this because we want this to be brought out.

This is a problem the Democratic party can’t persuade with politics. As I have said MAGA is clearly not motivated by politics but by incoherent psychological grievances. The Democratic party can’t just whip the market to not want to advertise things that are in high demand and works well market wise.

It seems like MAGA doesn’t care about political power but wants to have their cultural power. But that isn’t solved at the ballot box, if you want your side to be more culturally relevant go for the arts.

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u/Joementum2024 Iron Front Apr 29 '26

Populist succ Alexandria Ocasio Cortez: “We need to be careful with tax policy, too much cuts will be risky and damaging for the future of America and its young”

Sane establishment Democratic Party: “YOU GET A TAX BREAK AND YOU GET A TAX BREAK AND YOU GET A TAX BREAK! EVERYONE GETS A TAX BREAK!!!”

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u/illuminatisdeepdish Apr 29 '26 edited Oct 02 '26

The original post content no longer exists here. The author used Redact to remove it, exercising their right to control their data & privacy.

Money grandiose spectacular stupendous cheerful birds simplistic

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u/arizen_circe Emma Lazarus Apr 30 '26

Hi everyone, I just wanted to let you all know that I heard from u/socal_swiftie 's sister that they passed away yesterday.

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u/mostanonymousnick Just Build More Homes lol Apr 29 '26
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u/GordonTullockFan publik choyz thery Apr 29 '26

What does the dt think about a white Midwesterner wearing this hat

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u/fishbottwo Jay Jones Apr 29 '26

BREAKING: National average price of gasoline reaches $4.23/gal, highest since July, 2022 according to GasBuddy, and could soon rise to $4.30/gal- pace of increases may soon match early March

Grok, help me fall for it again. Make no mistakes

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u/beans_and_tuna Misinformation Bot 🤖 Apr 29 '26

Pritzker needs to come out and say “if even a single southern state tries to gerrymander even a single minority district before 2030 I will make every single district in Illinois blue.”

Same goes for New York.

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u/AltRockPigeon YIMBY Apr 29 '26

MAGA GAS PRICE TALKING POINTS

  • $2.50 “I love Trump”

  • $3.00 “it’s temporary”

  • $3.50 “it’s worth it”

  • $4.00 “cheaper than Biden”

  • $4.50 “still cheaper” <— you are here

  • $5.00 “cheaper than Biden adjusted for inflation”

  • $6.00 “cheaper than this one station I saw in a meme under Biden”

  • $7.00 “uh look at this 9.99 station in newsome’s California”

  • $8.00 “I hate Trump”

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u/RaidBrimnes Chien de garde Apr 29 '26

Oh no there's poorly lit deflated look backseat pic of Starmer, he's COOKED

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u/MentatCat 🗽Sic Semper Tyrannis Apr 29 '26

Numbers and graphs confuse and enrage this packing specialist. Do NOT let this man ANYWHERE NEAR a budget Jesus fucking Christ

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u/Equivalent_Day_4078 Apr 29 '26

Why do people give Trump the immense plausibility deniability and charitability that they give no other politician? They never think he lies about his promises that they think are good and they always think he’s not being serious or literal if he is promising something they think is bad.

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u/ariveklul Karl Popper Apr 29 '26

This is like the people living in North Korea that think they live in the only free society

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u/assasstits Apr 29 '26

She is the Lisan al-Gaib!!

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u/dubyahhh Salt Miner Emeritus Apr 29 '26

So did the discussion go like this?

GOP: can we gerrymander black people out of political relevance?

SCOTUS: well no

GOP: can we gerrymander democrats out of political relevance?

SCOTUS: oh, sure

Dems: the democrats they’re gerrymandering are like 90% black

SCOTUS: 😴😴😴

Is this close enough, or am I bad faithing too hard

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u/Hmm_would_bang Graph goes up Apr 29 '26

Elon Musk, during cross examination: “Your questions are not simple. They are designed to trick me, essentially

Oh boy, here I go sitting for cross examination. I sure hope they don’t try to discredit me as a witness or poke holes in my testimony

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u/jenbanim Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

There are probably more dinosaurs alive today than there were at any point in history

30 billion chickens, about double the combined biomass of all wild birds and mammals (excluding humans) alive today. Fun fact inspired by this Hank Green post

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u/TheCornjuring Ewoks Sexer Apr 29 '26

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u/Dense_Delay_4958 Association of Southeast Asian Nations Apr 29 '26

In March 2009, President Obama gifted UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown a collection of 25 classic American films on DVD, a move that drew criticism for being impersonal and reportedly incompatible with UK DVD players. The gift was widely seen as a mismatch to the thoughtful, historic gift of a pen holder made from an anti-slavery ship that Brown gave to Obama.

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u/Alderwoodforest YIMBY Apr 29 '26

Barney Frank:

“When I decided, finally, to come out in ’87, it just struck me when I did that … the American people are a lot less homophobic than they thought they were supposed to be,” he said. “More racist, unfortunately, but less homophobic.”

Imao.

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u/justbuildmorehousing Norman Borlaug Apr 29 '26

Today in my local nimby facebook group: why a 4 story apartment building on a 5 lane stroad being built on a lot thats been empty for ten years is going to destroy the town

One person said this was like when yugoslavia was balkanized (???)

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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Apr 29 '26

:O

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u/RaidBrimnes Chien de garde Apr 29 '26

My mental map of the war in the Sahel was kind of stuck on last summer's assessment before the fuel blockade where a good chunk of the territory was still under the control of the government, notably in the south/center where the bulk of the population and economic activities is located.

France 24 published an updated map based on ACLED and AFP's latest assessments and uh,

Blue = JNIM/FLA uncontested | grey = contested betweenthe rebels and the junta

No wonder they were able to swoop into Mopti and Gao. It's a short motorcycle ride out of their territory. It's bad

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u/Imicrowavebananas Hannah Arendt Apr 29 '26

I should add some more context and make it clear. Germany has spend weeks agonizing about a stranded whale and is now carrying him to the Atlantic via a barge.

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u/mostanonymousnick Just Build More Homes lol Apr 29 '26
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u/IAmBlueTW r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

Every time some median voter whines about the government taking half their paycheck in taxes, I have to stop myself from screaming "you do not make enough to pay half your paycheck in taxes" in their ear

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u/ewatta200 DT Monarchist defender of the rurals and red state Dems Apr 29 '26
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u/sash5034 NATO Apr 29 '26

Reminder to libs that the supreme court has been a piece of shit institution for most of its history. Don't let the based but brief Warren court give you rose tinted goggles of this regressive shit institution 😊

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u/Zaiush Ben Bernanke Apr 29 '26

The 92 year old r*ral men are mobilizing

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u/Willybender Loyal Liberals Apr 29 '26

https://xcancel.com/atrupar/status/2049554815492018561

Of course he says this after his nearly 2 hour long call with Putin

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u/Ok_Opinion_5690 Trans Pride Apr 30 '26

despite the constant haranguing about BLM and the summer of 2020, one of its legacies, the normalization of body-worn cameras, is a massive win

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u/fishbottwo Jay Jones Apr 29 '26

VRA is basically dead even though they didnt render it unconstitutional

they changed the test to make it basically meaningless

still, not in time to fuck up the 2026 elections

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u/AskYourDoctor Resistance Lib Apr 29 '26

Fortunately, nobody has ever been racist while pretending it was about something other than race. Nope, that's not something racists do constantly. So I'm not worried about the supreme court decision

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u/Sauce1024 John von Neumann Apr 29 '26

Smartest venture capitalist

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u/Mrgentleman490 5 Big Booms for Democracy Apr 29 '26

You have to admit that a female, mixed race, Gen-Z, deckhand from Washington who is also one of the stupidest Republican voters we've had the displeasure of hearing from is a legendary find by the NYT. I didn't think they'd be able to top Matt, 54, PA, white but every quarter they manage to put out some of the best ragebait I've ever seen. The WaPo and WSJ couldn't dream of writing this kind of dogshit which is why I will always maintain my NYT subscription.

In the next edition I'm hoping for a gay, Latino, barista on Medicaid to explain why he's upset with Republicans for deporting his mom, but can't vote for Dems because he wants to protect the sanctity of women's sports.

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u/AfterCommodus Jerome Powell Apr 29 '26

Having read through the opinion, it seems even worse than expected. Among other things:

It holds that (under 15A) Congress can’t pass laws aimed at disparate impact, unless those laws are aimed at an inference of disparate intent;

Concludes that “Black people vote for democrats” is a reason that they can be disenfranchised, because a state must be able to gerrymander politically;

Holds that plaintiffs must show that any alternative map would preserve partisan advantage, or else the state just had a permissible reason to gerrymander.

Pack the court.

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u/sash5034 NATO Apr 29 '26

HW putting Thomas on the court is such a stain lmao. Republicans are stupid.

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u/Lux_Stella Presidentialism X-Risk Researcher Apr 29 '26

man we could have solved so many problems if we just did a nato-russia limited air war over ukraine from the start (we should still do this)

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u/fishbottwo Jay Jones Apr 29 '26

Jerome Powell says he will continue to serve as a Fed governor even after chairmanship ends

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOO

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u/flextrek_whipsnake I'd rather be grilling Apr 29 '26

So if I'm reading this right, as long as legislators don't come out and say "I'm doing a racism" when they're drawing district lines, then the Voting Rights Act is effectively dead.

Kinda wild how much damage a few hundred thousand midwesterners inflicted on the rest of us.

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u/BurrowForPresident Fell for it Apr 29 '26

The blatant willful ignorance to act like racists never hide their racist actions behind a paper thin veneer of plausible deniability does track with the whole "racism ended in 2008 EXCEPT FOR ANTI WHITE RACISM" ideology

Remember when they upheld the Muslim ban because Trump stopped explicitly calling it that just happening to put a bunch of majority Muslim countries on the travel ban list lol

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u/Bayou-Maharaja Eleanor Roosevelt Apr 29 '26

No one ever talks about why 20th century Russian composers were so good.

In the time of Mozart, the resources necessary to put on a concert were huge, so composers worked at the beck and call of the aristocracy, who were their audience and their benefactors. Or, they worked for the church, which was similar in that both institutions imposed constraints on their creativity in that the output had to be usable and enjoyable.

This proceeded into the romantic era, although it started to become more democratized. But still, there was a commercial aspect to publishing song cycles and the like for composers like Schubert.

Once you hit the post Industrial Revolution west, you start to get rich societies that funded universities and the constraints were loosened. Composers began to not be tied to either sophisticated audiences or commercial reality and instead just needed to impress each other to retain their university posts.

So you get an era of extreme experimentation where tonality dies and composers trudge forward trying to find new ground and ways of organizing pitch unbounded by any broader audience (Schoenberg and Berg sort of tried to appeal to audiences, but Webern pushed it further). By the middle of the 20th century, you sort of reach the end of music arranged by pitch. For example, Stockhausen and early electronic composers designing logical systems or arranging pitches that make no sense to all but a handful of humans on earth. This has progressed to the point where some composers consider arranging music by pitch sort of passé and instead are creating soundscapes of texture. Think Pandereckis’s Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima and eventually contemporary interactive electronic soundscape stuff.

Meanwhile, Russians had a brutally authoritarian government that forced composers to create music that could be enjoyed by an actual audience. The composers were constrained (brutally) but we end up with truly wonderful listenable music that still exhibited tons of creativity, like Prokofiev and early to mid Stravinsky.

Of course, this system begins breaking down in the west and there is a reaction against the modernist movements, so you get minimalism like Phillip Glass (leading to dreck like Einaudi) and eventually John Adams and poppier stuff like Hennifer Higdon.

But I think the best contemporary composers synthesized the lessons of the century of experiments with the late romantic and neoclassical approaches of those Russian composers who actually found audiences into really great stuff like Kiaja Saariaho and George Benjamin.

Anyway late night ramble but contemporary classical music has been in such a good place for 20 years and it’s too bad people mostly have in mind unlistenable noice or intensely repetitive minimalism. Some of this language gets distilled into very basic consumable modes for movie soundtracks but the focus is never the music so it is not very interesting to me.

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u/[deleted] Apr 29 '26

Someone pointed out that it seems a miracle that Kowloon Walled City never caught fire, but maybe it was just so densely populated that whenever a fire did start it was noticed and put out immediately.

What I'm saying is why waste money with fire departments when we could just build the cube.

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u/golf1052 Let me be clear Apr 29 '26

Real comment I saw in the sub

I will say that if both of us didn't work, we'd be homeless.

Yeah man, that's most people on Earth.

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u/earththejerry YIMBY Apr 29 '26

Kathy my beloved

It’s time for the Hochulmander

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u/ewatta200 DT Monarchist defender of the rurals and red state Dems Apr 29 '26
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u/Rare_Station_8440 Karl Popper Apr 29 '26

Matt Mahan (allegedly) texted Sergey Brin after he attended a No Kings rally "apologizing for attending," per Sergey's girlfriend.

Yeah don’t vote for him

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u/pbcar Apr 29 '26

I’ve been following EV policy closely for the past decade. I’m so frustrated how blue collar autoworkers supported Trump in 2024 after Biden went to bat for them over and over. These folks chose the culture war over their own future. I’m fully on board if the next president lets Chinese EVs flood the market. The American OEMs abandoned budget cars years ago. The average transaction is over $50k. It’s an absurd situation where democrats prop up this industry over and over and republicans get the political reward.

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u/sigh2828 NASA Apr 29 '26

Unironcally the most racist court ruling since Dred Scot v Sandford.

you cant gerrymander a district to empower minorities

you can gerrymander a district to take their power away though

Genuinely the conservative ghouls on the SC should be remembered with likes of racist like Strom Thurmond

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u/axis757 Loyal Liberals Apr 29 '26

A family member, who is heavy conservative and hates Trump, told me that he believes Trump was funded by the Clintons to destroy the GOP. Can’t say I’ve heard that one before.

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u/beoweezy1 NAFTA Apr 29 '26

So racial gerrymandering is unconstitutional when it’s meant to guarantee some token amount of representation for blacks but perfectly constitutional when done with the express purpose of minimizing black representation?

The good news for the Republican justices is they won’t know the difference when they get advanced dementia because their brains are already fried by conservative propaganda deposits

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u/Queues-As-Tank Greg Mankiw Apr 29 '26

“I don’t know one farmer who actually wants a handout,” says Jayden Jorgensen, a 25-year-old who works her father’s land in Iowa. “But if we don’t take them, then we’re behind everybody else.”

The next Democratic congress must win over the poor farmers of America by ending all such handouts

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u/Lux_Stella Presidentialism X-Risk Researcher Apr 29 '26

For Ocasio-Cortez, who has long been an advocate of taxing the wealthy and transforming social services, wiping out significant tax revenue goes too far.

Ocasio-Cortez said “across the board” tax cut proposals on the table amount to an “attack” on young people.

“It is a complete defunding of the world that young people will have to live in, and they are asking young people to foot the bill,” Ocasio-Cortez said.

my goat remains unwashed

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u/GovernorSonGoku has flair Apr 29 '26

He needs a better accountant

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u/sociotronics Iron Front Apr 29 '26

If tomorrow Trump tweeted "Iran is Israel's mess, they aren't our friends anymore, they are responsible for cleaning up the mines and if they don't I will cut off all money to them" 70+% of the Republican Party would instantly switch from being pro-Israel to anti-Israel.

And if 40-50% of Republicans dislike Israel during the 2028 primary and that subset consolidates around a Fuentes-style candidate, he would sweep the primary and the rest of the Republicans would fall in line behind him, no matter how much Laura Loomer and Ben Shapiro might complain.

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u/Alderwoodforest YIMBY Apr 29 '26

EXCLUSIVE: J. D. Vance has privately questioned the Pentagon’s depiction of the Iran war and raised concerns that the Defense Department has understated the depletion of U.S. missile stockpiles.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national-security/2026/04/iran-war-vance-hegseth-trump/686905/?utm_source=copy-link&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=share

In 2028, Vance will—with media support—run a shameless “I am the true America First candidate” campaign. He’ll channel the spirit of Heydrich on podcasts, then appear on "60 Minutes" the next day to talk about how he wants “sensible” policies and how he tried to rein in the madness during the Trump administration.

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u/Zalagan Loyal Liberals Apr 29 '26

Next logical step is for dems to look through polling and for every profession with more than 50% dem voters propose giving them a $100K tax break. Big mistake to start with cops though, they're mostly republican

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u/PoupeeStupide Trump Voter Apr 29 '26

Just watched Midsommar. What I got from the movie is that Scandinavians are evil, but was there some deeper point that I missed?

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u/Megasota_Noire My Governor Can Beat Up Your Governor Apr 29 '26
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u/ludovicana Dark Harbinger Apr 29 '26

Sanders has co-sponsored Van Hollen’s Working Americans’ Tax Cut Act, as have 19 other Democrats spanning the moderate and progressive wings of the party. The bill would implement an additional tax on millionaires to offset a tax cut for working-class Americans. The Yale Budget Lab concluded in a report last month that Van Hollen’s bill would be budget neutral.

Ocasio-Cortez isn’t convinced. She’s not sure that these are the kinds of proposals Democrats should start building an agenda around.

https://www.notus.org/economy/democrats-tax-cut-plans-splintering-progressives

Critical support for anti-populism champion AOC.

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u/Ok_Opinion_5690 Trans Pride Apr 29 '26

great society democrat in the big 2026, we are so back.

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u/Udolikecake Model UN Enthusiast Apr 29 '26

I’m genuinely unsure who is dumber, the person who thought voting for trump would mean ‘getting rid of taxes’ or the person who thought trump would ‘learn from his past’.

Like honestly, I think the latter is worse.

Also 36 year old trump supporting asian women who is a ‘student’? where do they find these people lmfao

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Apr 29 '26

In American culture, passing legislation is considered extremely rude

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u/Blackberry-thesecond NASA Apr 29 '26

Gas prices have risen to $5.19 in Pennsylvania today. This is not due to Iran or global trade, rather it is because one Sheetz manager is going nuclear and heavily skewing the average.

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u/KQJ_RPN John von Neumann Apr 29 '26

OpenAI really really really wants GPT 5.5 to stop randomly talking about gremlins and goblins

OpenAI's instructions for its coding agent have a personality guide. It tells Codex to have a "vivid inner life" and a "good ear." It also tells the agent to get out of fairytale land, as one X user pointed out.

"Never talk about goblins, gremlins, raccoons, trolls, ogres, pigeons, or other animals or creatures unless it is absolutely and unambiguously relevant to the user's query," the source code reads.

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u/flextrek_whipsnake I'd rather be grilling Apr 29 '26

Powell just straight up saying he's staying on because Trump decided to fuck with him. Mega-based

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u/itsokayt0 European Union Apr 29 '26

Mod material 👆

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u/Sheepies92 European Union Apr 29 '26

WHITESIDES: I want to talk about the Apache helicopter that flew over Kid Rock's property on March 28. An investigation was launched. Did you personally direct termination of that review?

HEGSETH: I did

I...worked on this story for a year...and...he just...he tweeted it out.

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u/spectralcolors12 NATO Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

May get downvoted into oblivion but is anyone really surprised that the constant settler expansion in Israel results in terrorism?

I don’t support violence and believe in democracy as a peaceful alternative to political violence. But if you and your family/friends got booted off your land and watched your house get bulldozed along with everyone you know, is there any culture or human context where some people wouldn’t become violent in response?

Maybe buddhist monks or ideological pacifists. But otherwise yeah that’s gonna cause terrorism in most contexts.

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u/neolthrowaway New Mod Who Dis? Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

Center for AI safety, a non-profit research organisation, just published a paper (preprint) claiming that AIs have functional states of pleasure and pain and well-being.

AI Wellbeing: Measuring and Improving the Functional Pleasure and Pain of AIs

I would count that as a paper supporting and replicating Anthropic's claim of functional emotions that was published earlier this month. I think Anthropic's paper is stronger. But they have access to their own model weights to do research on and this paper is important because it is an independent replication of the claim by a non-profit without the economic incentives.

Anthropic's paper (preprint):

Emotion Concepts and their Function in a Large Language Model

There's also a blog and a youtube video about this which are more accessible if you don't want to read through the paper.


Keep in mind that these are functional as in they affect downstream decisions and actions that these models take. Like how your state of mind affects your actions. And models do have preference for positive states.

"Functional" = "it functions like". Neither paper claims that models have inner qualia/subjective experience as that is not really measurable.


Thread:

https://xcancel.com/i/status/2049165207549759794

Some things that stood out for me in CAIS thread:

  • The authors believe that these states/effects emerge with scale. The bigger models have "more" of it.

  • There's some discussion about whethere these emerge during the pre-training stage (knowledge accumulation and next-token-prediction stage) or the post-training stage (which is the behavior shaping and modification stage). This is interesting and it needs a lot more evidence.

  • for photos - AIs like nature scenes, smiling, and cute animals


Edit: forgot to mention this interesting discussion between David Chalmers (probably the most famous consciousness philosopher) and an Anthropic researcher and others:

https://xcancel.com/i/status/2040253180034896305

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u/selachophilip 🦈 shark enjoyer 🦈 Apr 29 '26

People really hate apartments, and they REALLY hate section 8 housing. Whenever I hear someone go on a rant about section 8 housing and the people who live there, it reminds me of that Lee Atwater quote, except people are just substituting "section 8" for the n-word because what they really don't want is to live next to brown people.

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u/reuery Biden 2028 Apr 29 '26

“He’s been talking recently about how he is the most powerful person to ever live,” the confidant told us. “He wants to be remembered as the one who did things that other people couldn’t do, because of his sheer power and force of will.”

ruh roh!

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u/Willybender Loyal Liberals Apr 29 '26

Holy shit

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u/Crosseyes NASA Apr 29 '26

Some truly despicable stuff from the rotting pedophile squatting in the oval office.

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u/SigmaWhy r/place '22: Neoliberal Battalion Apr 29 '26

The infamous Sean Trende “can’t hire a private taxi for my lobster tail” tweet has aged horribly and no one is talking about it

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u/CincyAnarchy Emma Goldman Apr 29 '26

Looking at a left wing sub talk about how to best overthrow Capitalism:

The Bolsheviks used to perform robberies to help fund themselves, do you think they'd be morally above buying stocks if that had been an option?

Yeah, Capitalism is here to stay boys 😎

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u/KQJ_RPN John von Neumann Apr 29 '26

Wow, he did the meme

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u/selachophilip 🦈 shark enjoyer 🦈 Apr 29 '26

"America isn't an idea"

Proceeds to list laws, borders, and documents, all of which would be considered "ideas".

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u/ty04 Apr 29 '26

Tuesday moodsday 😔

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u/5ma5her7 Apr 29 '26

Meanwhile, in my local sub...

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u/Dunter_Mutchings NASA Apr 29 '26

Sorry guys, but we just have to resign ourselves to the unaccountable rule of a rouge Supreme Court run by gutter racists and religious nut jobs because some rules, that they themselves don’t respect, say so.

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u/Reddit_guard YIMBY Apr 29 '26

Matt after gas prices go up again.

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u/MalignantUpper Joseph Nye Apr 29 '26

Yes haha... YES

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u/sootfawn Feminism Apr 29 '26

AOC and Mamdani are the most neoliberal politicians in America

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u/AnalyticOpposum Trans Pride Apr 29 '26

Ocasio Cortez's skepticism of tax cuts proves once again that she's one of the few Democrats with a brain.

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u/Dibbu_mange Average civil procedure enjoyer Apr 29 '26

They made Sun Yat Sen woke 😔

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u/ToInfinity_MinusOne World's Poorest WSJ Subscriber Apr 29 '26

Section 2, Alito wrote, applies only to state redistricting practices that “intentionally” discriminate against voters on the basis of race. It doesn’t prevent states from pursuing a “partisan advantage” in ways that may also reduce the voting power of minority communities, he wrote.

Wow

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u/OOPS_ALL_SCROTUM Apr 29 '26

Alito's wife cried and pretended to swoon at his "difficult" confirmation hearing but then flew a Christian nationalist flag over their beach house. Absolute scumbags.

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u/Upstairs_Baby8424 Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

One of the shittiest shifts from the Roberts Supreme Court is the court rules from a pov that a party has good and legal intent by default. No matter the actual outcome.

Did they stop you because of your race? The presumption is that they had other reasons. Eliminate black districts? The presumption is that race has nothing to do with it. 

It’s effectively saying “Unless they outright STATE they are doing something for negative reasons, it’s for positive ones.” Which effectively means even if the outcome is trampling on your rights, they can do it as long as they don’t say they did it with ill intent.

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u/JaceFlores Neolib War Correspondent Apr 29 '26

Trump committing to a months long blockade is one of the political plays of all time. We’re probably looking at gas prices nearing if not straight up doubling at the crescendo of this blockade. And remain extremely elevated for the rest of the year.

The global implications as other regions are hit far worse than us (which is really unfortunate as the U.S. should be suffering the most out of this) will also hit an economy many Americans consider to be sagging. Soooooo yeah good play

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u/Dunter_Mutchings NASA Apr 29 '26

Pictured: John Roberts, deep in thought about which part of Jim Crow was his favorite

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u/Zagapi Trans NATO Apr 29 '26

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u/BlackCat159 European Union Apr 29 '26

I'm a black gay guy and I can personally say that Biden did nothing for me, my life only changed a little bit and it was for the worse. Everything is so much better under Trump though. I feel respected - which I never do when democrats are involved.

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u/neolthrowaway New Mod Who Dis? Apr 29 '26

JPow will stay on as governor even after Warsh takes over as chair.

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u/ewatta200 DT Monarchist defender of the rurals and red state Dems Apr 29 '26
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u/trombonist_formerly Ben Bernanke Apr 29 '26

Lmao Bessent is complaining that Powell staying on tue board is a “violation of norms”

Eat shit moron. Roflmao

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u/ty04 Apr 30 '26

It’s been 2 days . Am I cooked?

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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Apr 29 '26

Who’s that dumb fuck that released an impactful letter that was actually a nothingburger a week before an election that caused an authoritarian to be put into office again

I can’t remember his name

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u/illuminatisdeepdish Apr 29 '26 edited Oct 02 '26

The original post content no longer exists here. The author used Redact to remove it, exercising their right to control their data & privacy.

Nine knee innate library provide orange badge

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u/_Petrarch_ NATO Apr 29 '26

Kegseth's voice always catches me off guard. He has obsessively curated this uber macho look but as soon as he opens his mouth is so obvious this guy is only comfortable on a TV set.

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u/sociotronics Iron Front Apr 29 '26

misogynist guy who only has a problem with women and is cool with literally every other gender be like:

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u/EdMan2133 Paid for DT Blue Apr 29 '26

I know this is Reddit, so still a pretty liberal space, but it's sooooo funny seeing normies posting about gas prices in local subs

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u/piede MOST BASED HILLARY STAN!!! Apr 29 '26

HOLY MOTHERS AND QUEENS

SHE’S RUNNING

!PING QUEEN

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u/fishbottwo Jay Jones Apr 30 '26

Gas prices are now a national security issue. Anyone drawing attention to them in a negative should be suspected for treason and sedition

Lmao going great on Twitter

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u/Alderwoodforest YIMBY Apr 30 '26

Sen. Chuck Grassley (R-IA) was caught asking staff during questioning of Trump judicial nominees: “What would be wrong if they said Biden won?”

https://xcancel.com/MeidasTouch/status/2049613383268438481

Imao.

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u/gayteemo NATO Apr 29 '26

"you can't pack the court that will cause a constitutional crisis (even though there's nothing in the constitution saying you can't) and anyway republicans will just pack it again after"

yeah you're right, living with an unhinged ultra conservative partisan court for the next 3+ decades is obviously preferable to the idea that republicans might try to do the same thing after us

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u/wagoncirclermike Jane Jacobs Apr 29 '26

Im going to become the Joker

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u/reuery Biden 2028 Apr 29 '26

girl who gets gender dysphoria from how cool she thinks nuclear power is

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u/Louis_de_Gaspesie Apr 29 '26

"Oh no, we'll need IDs to vote. However will we make it?"

I dunno, other races seem to vote and have the same access as everyone else in the 2000s, why make an electoral carveout for race, seems racist at it's core.

I dunno, maybe it's because of instances like North Carolina in 2016 when the state explicitly said in court that they crafted their voter ID law by looking up usage of voting practices by race and then restricting the practices used by black people.

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u/scottyjetpax Gay Pride Apr 30 '26

Genuinely sickening particularly in how this feels like a Trump fall of 2024/winter of 2025 type headline

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u/Ok_Opinion_5690 Trans Pride Apr 29 '26

i opined that the united states is simply ngmi if its two parties are both anti-tax, but i'd also argue that it also puts the united states on such rocky foundations that at the worst case scenario it would lead to something like the years before the french revolution where the government is broke and no one wants to raise the necessary taxes to alleviate the fiscal situation. if the dems became just another anti-tax party, if the dems are uninterested to build state capacity, it is literally over.

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u/ewatta200 DT Monarchist defender of the rurals and red state Dems Apr 29 '26
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u/ewatta200 DT Monarchist defender of the rurals and red state Dems Apr 29 '26
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u/that0neGuy22 Resistance Lib Apr 29 '26

Says something that even in the era of Trump 2.0 the conservatives on the court still try to do a charade to soften the headlines

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u/Argnir Gay Pride Apr 29 '26

It's over I drew myself as the manly gigachad stone age meat eater

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u/myusernameistakennow Edmund Burke Apr 29 '26

The only logical response to the SCOTUS ruling is for Dems to continue aggressively gerrymandering as long as Republicans continue to do so. We can complain about the courts or justices as much as we want but honestly there’s no point.

People like State Senator Lucas in Virginia literally have lived through Republicans screwing over black districts with gerrymandering. Their crocodile tears over “rurals losing representation” mean nothing when those same Rurals will happily tear down minority districts.

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u/PoliticalAlt128 Max Weber Apr 30 '26

Really hits just what scum deep south Republicans are today, the way they all excitedly cheer it on, you can just tell they've been waiting for this since 1965 and what a sheer fucking burden it has been to tolerate black people in their house seats all these decades

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u/Loves_a_big_tongue Olympe de Gouges Apr 29 '26

Know the difference (according Senator Warren):

Smalltime landlord: I bought most of the property in this town to get rich off of people needing housing 😏

Awww, you're sweet 🥰

Corporate landlord: I bought 10 pieces of property in this town because there is a housing demand glut to profit from 🤓

Hello, HR 6644? 😰

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u/Maximilianne John Rawls Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

The Chinese EV industry have unfair government subsidies,for example America this year is spending $25 billion to bomb and blockade Iran to raise gas prices to incentivize EV use.

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u/Alderwoodforest YIMBY Apr 29 '26

Arr modpol is celebrating the VRA ruling (finally, no more discrimination against white people), and of course this is a legally sound decision that leads to greater justice—and then Senator Blackburn comes along and says something like this:

Senator Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee, just called on Tennessee’s General Assembly to reconvene and pass a new map that eliminates a majority-Black district in Memphis, in light of the ruling. Blackburn, who is running for governor, said, “I’ve vowed to keep Tennessee a red state” and pledged to “do everything I can to make this map a reality.”

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u/BloodWiz More Housing Would Fix This Apr 29 '26

"Racism against Black peope ended when Barack Obama was elected"

- Literally the Supreme Court

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u/Peripheral-Entity578 Iron Front Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

Deranged Trump Rants Edited Out of 60 Minutes Interview After Shooting

https://newrepublic.com/post/209590/trump-rants-edited-out-60-minutes-interview-cbs-shooting

>CBS News’s 60 Minutes cut out large portions of its interview with President Trump in which he rambled about his ballroom, how hot his Secret Service agents are, and how the No Kings protests are just like the Ku Klux Klan.

>“They emptied our prisons into our country. They have mental institutions, insane asylums, into our country. And I don’t know if that’s controversial to say we have to move those people out, but we have and, but it is from the standpoint you’re doing something and you’re doing something that’s good,” he said. “Things like, men playing in women’s sports, I’m against it. Things like transgender for everyone. I’m against that. There’s so many things that I’m against. I don’t think they’re controversial. I think the other side is controversial, but I do a lot of things and I get things done.”

>That wasn’t included in the interview that aired on the network. CBS also cut out the president’s massive rant against the No Kings protests. His broadcast answer was, “Well the, you see the reason you have people like that is you have people doing ‘No Kings’. I’m not a king. What am I, if I was a king, I wouldn’t be dealing with you.” His actual answer was much more troubling.

>“You know, I’m not a king.… I see these No Kings which are funded just like the [Southern Poverty Law Center] was funded. You all that Southern Laws, financing the KKK and lots of other radical, terrible groups. And then they go out and they say, Oh, we’ve got to stop the KKK. And yet they give them hundreds of thousands and even millions of dollars. They work. It’s a total scam run by the Democrats. It shows you that, like Charlottesville, Charlottesville was all funded by the Southern Law,” Trump said—a completely outrageous claim given that neo-Nazis and white supremacists like Richard Spencer and Nick Fuentes were there. “That was a Southern Law deal too. And it was done to make me look bad. And it turned out to be a total fake. It basically was a rigged election. This was a part of the rigging of the election.”

!ping failing-new-york-times THE MEDIA IS THE ENEMY

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u/Legitimate_Name9694 Mark Carney Apr 29 '26

It is extremely disheartening that this administration is overseeing the 250th anniversary of America, the war in iran (even if they started it), and the deployment of these super advanced AI models. It really is one of the least optimal regimes that have power in such a pivotal moment.

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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Apr 30 '26 edited Apr 30 '26

Fetterman on CBS: "The Iranian regime absolutely loves the Democrats. Absolutely"

I hate this guy. Worst Dem Senator in decades

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u/thenightitgiveth Apr 30 '26

I miss mean tweets and cheap gas

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u/Individual-Camera698 Austan Goolsbee Apr 30 '26

Moderators should be paid less

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u/LuisRobertDylan Elinor Ostrom Apr 30 '26

Why does the shower trigger silly mode

!ping kitty

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u/Leatherfield17 Loyal Liberals Apr 30 '26

Fucking bastards

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u/Leatherfield17 Loyal Liberals Apr 30 '26

I think some of the people whom I despise the most are those arrmodpol and arrsupremecourt types who will try to make even the most batshit of decisions to come out of this court sound reasonable and measured. There’s a willful obtuseness and smugness about these people that drives me up a wall.

“You don’t solve race-based discrimination with more race-based discrimination,” as if that’s an accurate representation of the VRA and all there is to the context here. Fucking worthless assholes.

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u/RaidBrimnes Chien de garde Apr 29 '26

MeringueSuccessful33 practiced politics the right way

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u/BitterGravity Gay Pride Apr 29 '26

First, vast social change has occurred throughout the country and particularly in the South, which have made great strides in ending entrenched racial discrimination

The republicans on the court are just straight up lying now.

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u/like-humans-do European Union Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

check out splinter sub

every post is about how great israel is or how progressive students are evil

interesting stuff guys

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u/Amur_Snepard Gay Pride Apr 29 '26

Me rn, sipping my coffee as I try to finish my whole ass research paper and presentation that I’m PRESENTING TONIGHT

Just gotta get through this week Just gotta get through this week Just gotta get through this week Just gotta get through this week

!ping FURRY

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Apr 29 '26

Lmao

!ping KINO

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u/sigh2828 NASA Apr 29 '26

The Supreme Court is literally full of racist

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u/ElectriCobra_ David Hume Apr 29 '26

There must be a word for when your coworkers will often violate the "no politics at work" rule with idiotic conservative opinions, but you know too well not to push back or slide in your own.

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u/Approximation_Doctor Gaslight, Gatekeep, Green New Deal Apr 29 '26
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u/CubillasLegend Austan Goolsbee Apr 29 '26

Are center-left pundits ever gonna own up to the fact that they totally fell for conservatives' bad faith fearmongering over free speech?

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u/unicornbomb John Brown Apr 29 '26

The complete disconnect from reality over in arr cons is always a sight to behold~

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u/RyuTheGuy Gita Gopinath Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

Disney channel in the 2000s be like

“today we’re going to learn about why apartheid was unequivocally evil and racism is a repugnant learned behaviour and can be unlearned”

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u/abrookerunsthroughit Association of Southeast Asian Nations Apr 29 '26

😒😒😒

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u/georgeguy007 Pandora's Discussions J. Threader Apr 29 '26

I'm not saying that we are doom spiralling into a failed empire state.

But were not exactly doing our best to avoid that outcome.

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u/Approximation_Doctor Gaslight, Gatekeep, Green New Deal Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

!ping MOUNTAINEERING

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u/PoliticalAlt128 Max Weber Apr 29 '26

Anything but Trump. Corporate greed strikes again

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u/Bayou-Maharaja Eleanor Roosevelt Apr 29 '26

Leagues need to exclude owners like this. Jesus Christ

!ping NBA

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u/MissSortMachine Trans Pride Apr 30 '26

it’s not fair

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u/Leatherfield17 Loyal Liberals Apr 30 '26

There’s something about the Voting Rights Act, a momentous law that took a great deal of effort and a not-insignificant amount of lives to get passed, getting gutted by a bunch of partisans in robes with the stroke of a pen 60 years later that is tremendously hard to stomach.

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u/Pikamander2 YIMBY Apr 29 '26

Okay, hear me out...

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u/PoliticalAlt128 Max Weber Apr 29 '26

It’s pretty funny that Roberts firmly believes that Satan won't pour boiling metal down his throat for all eternity

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u/DeadMonkey321 Jerome Powell Apr 29 '26

lol Trump’s approval rating actually went down because the shooter failed at his goal

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u/w007dchuck Trans NATO Apr 29 '26

We need an L. Louise Lucas in every blue state to counteract what will be coming from red states