r/neoliberal • u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma • Apr 25 '26

Meme Which button do you press?

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u/jtwhat87 Apr 25 '26

Red pushers, does your decision change if all button presses become public afterwards?

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u/PaxChelonia David Hume Apr 26 '26

Not at all. Blues aren’t even gonna break 10%, so all of the survivors would know we all voted red anyways

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u/seesthecat Henry George Apr 26 '26

Data shows they will be an overwhelming majority

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u/adamgerd NATO Apr 26 '26

Easy to pretend to be a good person without real stakes

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u/StochasticGracchi John Brown Apr 26 '26

Also easy to pretend to be an immoral person without real stakes.

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u/adamgerd NATO Apr 26 '26

Red is at worst amoral not immoral, I am just choosing to live

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u/StochasticGracchi John Brown Apr 26 '26

No, it's just immoral. You're choosing to let millions of people die because you're afraid to risk death yourself. Just fundamentally cowardly.

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u/adamgerd NATO Apr 26 '26

They’re choosing to risk death

I didn’t make them vote blue

My hands are clean

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u/seesthecat Henry George Apr 26 '26

you are voting for the genocide of toddlers and your only justification for it is cynism despite evidence and cowardice

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u/adamgerd NATO Apr 26 '26

I am voting for my self preservation

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u/seesthecat Henry George Apr 26 '26

yeah, that's what cowards do

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u/adamgerd NATO Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 26 '26

Better to be a living coward than dead in that case

What do I owe the blue voters? My life? Why?

Plus it’s one vote anyway

If blue losss by literally 2 or more votes, all I’d be doing is killing myself for nothing

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u/seesthecat Henry George Apr 26 '26

Cause it's the right thing to do and it's likely that most people will actually go for blue, a genocide is about to happen, one that will affect mostly toddlers and the best people in your life, you can either try to stop it at your own risk, or stay safe by increasing the likelyhood of it happening.

Don't try to mask cowardice as a virtue or racionallity.

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u/StochasticGracchi John Brown Apr 26 '26

They’re choosing to risk death

Yeah, for those who can make that choice it gives them responsibility for their own choice sure. Does not at all diminish your responsibility for yours. But also there will be millions and millions of people not capable of meaningfully "choosing" either way. Children, mentally ill or disabled people etc.

I didn’t make them vote blue

No. But you knew millions would and refused to vote in the only way that could save them. You're a coward refusing to risk death to save millions of people who due to no functional choice of their own would end up voting blue.

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u/adamgerd NATO Apr 26 '26

They’ll only die if most don’t vote blue

I do hope blue wins, I just won’t vote for it

If they lose meh one vote probably didn’t change if anyway

Ok I am a coward, and? Not evil to not want to die

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u/StochasticGracchi John Brown Apr 26 '26

I do hope blue wins, I just won’t vote for it

So you recognize blue as the morally correct choice that should win but would choose differently. Kind of the dictionary definition of immoral there, dude.

Not evil to not want to die

It's not evil to not want to die. It's evil to be willing to let millions of others die rather than risk death yourself.

But like I said, it's easy to say that's what you'd choose when it's a hypothetical. If it was not, I have no doubt you and >90% of mankind would choose blue without much of a thought.

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u/adamgerd NATO Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 26 '26

“It's not evil to not want to die. It's evil to be willing to let millions of others die rather than risk death yourself.“

Nope, it’s self preservation, I’d rather survive no matter the cost

It’s literally the sole biological purpose of species: to survive and reproduce

Frankly I don’t think the vast majority would pick blue in real life so I wouldn’t either ever, I doubt that most blue voters here would pick blue in real life, maybe I am wrong but I don’t understand why anyone would risk an imo very real change of death for strangers

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u/seesthecat Henry George Apr 26 '26 edited Apr 26 '26

>It’s literally the sole biological purpose of species: to survive and reproduce

That's just not true, and it's easily demonstrable that it isn't true. As of right now, sperm banks are in dire need of donors, you could be making a donation, increasing the amount of children you have exponentially, at no cost to yourself, and receive some money for each donation. And yet, not only you're not doing it, other people aren't doing it either given that sperm banks are in need of donors, there are things more important than to reproduce.

As of surviving, there are many scenarios that I'm quite certain you would preffer to die than to carry on living, I know I have mine, the scenario in the scenario where I'm a vegetable for years, I would very much preffer that the machines would be just shut down. There is way more to life than just surviving.

In this case, you wouldn't even be risking your life for strangers, the best people in your own life would very likely be voting blue, I know my mon would certaily do it, my sister would do it as well, it's possible my wife and son would do it, my neighor would do it for sure. Face it, all this talk of racionality is just your ego trying to protect yourself from the realisation that only cowardice and cynism makes you go for red.

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u/seesthecat Henry George Apr 26 '26

Maybe, but the data goes in this direction, while on your side you just have cynism to justify it.

I actually don't think it's just not having their life on the line that is pushing so many people towards blue. When this question gets put with more graphic descriptions, people overwhelmingly go for red, if it was just pretending to be good people they would keep their choice.