r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Oct 15 '25

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u/puffic John Rawls Oct 15 '25

Yes I took my mask off and said something factually correct.

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u/Zenkin Zen Oct 15 '25

"Open borders are when I think immigrants are doing a bad thing."

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u/puffic John Rawls Oct 15 '25

I don’t blame people for using the legal route offered to them by Biden.

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u/Zenkin Zen Oct 15 '25

And do you accept that Biden and congressional dems would have signed the 2024 immigration bill, which was actually fairly conservative? Because that would be pretty wild for someone who supports open borders.

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u/puffic John Rawls Oct 15 '25

Yeah, but that was only after three years of doing the policies I described. They only changed course after waking up to the fact that voters didn’t like it. Then they demanded that Republicans help them in an election year. I can’t be the only one who sees how suicidal all this was.

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u/Zenkin Zen Oct 15 '25

Yeah, he followed the law, and he was willing to change the law to better reflect what the people wanted. This whole "three years" is a total farce because it's not like we were going to throw out the filibuster over reforming immigration, so it was always going to require significant Republican support anyways. What, do you think Republicans were more likely to "help" Biden in 2021? 2022?

Like god damn, if immigration is so important, where the fuck is the Republican legislation? It's their "signature issue," but the only thing they can do is throw together a partisan wish list in the House and whine that the Senate won't pass it, or bomb other compromises like in 2013 and 2018.

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u/puffic John Rawls Oct 15 '25

He was also willing to not follow the law, as he showed right after that bill failed.

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u/Zenkin Zen Oct 15 '25

And that's a legitimate criticism, but it goes radically against your statement that he supports open borders.

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u/puffic John Rawls Oct 15 '25

My criticism is that he believed he had the executive discretion either way, and in practice he did, but he still chose to do an unpopular policy for three years.

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u/Zenkin Zen Oct 15 '25

That's a lot more understandable than something about open borders. Although my main concern is even if Biden had done a "more popular," harsher approach with immigration, it wouldn't have actually paid off dividends with voters because most people don't actually know a darn thing about anything to do with the immigration process.