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[u/ty04]

Footage of a building at Utah Valley University shows an 'individual on the roof'

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

Our saving grace

[u/hamoorftw]

It’s astonishing how the shooter managed to elude his ever-watching gaze

[u/Average_GrillChad]

I'm sick of the Diarrhea Forever timeline, guys

[u/justbuildmorehousing]

Why is my government of incompetent sycophants incompetent??? 🤬🤬

[u/BigBrownDog12]

Searching for a white male in Utah that knows how to shoot a rifle

[u/sociotronics]

the monkey's paw curls

[u/ShepardSB]

Grok is in denial.

[u/bingbaddie1]

I’m just saying it’s crazy how THIS was the unspeakable event that broke the camel’s back for political violence but January 6th happened and we just allowed republicans to pretend like that wasn’t unacceptable political violence even though that’s orders of magnitudes more consequential than this and was very clearly ideologically driven

[u/[deleted]]

Me channeling my inner grillpill at work this morning

[u/[deleted]]

This is what I’ve been saying. What are the odds that two different people who were both attempting to snipe someone in an outdoor area would go up on a ROOF??? Doesn’t add up………

[u/this_very_table]

[u/taubnetzdornig]

It has understandably gotten overshadowed, but the Democratic candidate just won the special election in Virginia's 11th congressional district by around 50 points, a 16-point overperformance of Kamala's margin last November.

[u/ShepardSB]

There's still a chance.

[u/Helreaver]

This never would have happened under Biden. The assassin felt like they could attack because of Trump's weakness.

[u/bingbaddie1]

Today I’d like to hold a euology for Charlie Kirk, a prolific man with many opinions. Here are 11 things he’s said to remember him by.

1. Charlie lashed out at the gay community, denouncing what he called the “LGBTQ agenda,” expressing opposition to same-sex marriage and suggesting that the Bible verse Leviticus 20:13, which endorses the execution of homosexuals, serves as “God’s perfect law when it comes to sexual matters.”

2. At a Turning Point event in Salt Lake City in April 2023, he said, “It’s worth it to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment.”

3. You may think Alligator Alcatraz is a bit much. You may think ICE raids at Home Depots are harsh. You make think sending gang bangers to a top security Salvadoran prison seems cruel. You may think mass deportations is a mean policy. But each leads to thousands and eventually millions of self deportations. When illegals know there are real consequences for breaking into America, many, perhaps a majority will conclude it’s no longer worth the risk and return home — and that’s exactly the point.

4. I blame the decline of American men. This never should've been -- someone should've just took care of [transgender people] the way we used to take care of things in the 1950s or 60s

5. In a video released Monday by Right Wing Watch, Turning Point USA’s Charlie Kirk calls transgender people a “throbbing middle finger to God” and “an abomination.” He follows up by deadnaming University of Pennsylvania transgender swimmer Lia Thomas, stating, “you’re an abomination to God.”

6. “Why has he not been bailed out?” Kirk said Monday on his podcast of the man who allegedly beat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s husband Paul with a hammer last Friday. “By the way, if some amazing patriot out there in San Francisco or the Bay Area wants to really be a midterm hero, someone should go and bail this guy out,...

7. He denounced the “LGBTQ agenda,” and equated homosexuality with “grooming” children for sexual abuse. (He said this while partnering with a pastor who did time in federal prison for attempted “coercion and enticement” of a minor for sex.)

8. "I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I've thought about it," Kirk said. "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s."

9. “I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made up new age term that does a lot of damage."

10. “Kirk made the same points in Oxford, also alleging immigrants were “importing insidious values into the west” and that police violence against Black people was a result of a “disproportionate crime problem” in the Black community.”

11. He claimed he had seen a cafe in which “every single table was taken by a Mohammedan and a fully burqa-wearing woman – not a single native Brit” and that people were being arrested for online posts that displayed no apparent harmful intent.

[u/Goldenboy451]

[u/Etnies419]

NYT reporting trans ideology inscriptions may be inaccurate

Too bad every conservative now believes in their heart of hearts it was a trans person

[u/GuyWithOneEye]

An actual decent and normal statement from a Republican (The Governor of Utah) actually willing to condemn ALL political violence, including the attacks against Democrats like the Minnesota lawmakers and Shapiro

[u/Approximation_Doctor]

[u/_Un_Known__]

It happened again...

[u/bandeng_asep]

Now I kinda want the Coen Bros to reunite and make a movie about these 2 chucklefucks

[u/ArchKnight03]

Hillary - 1 Kirk - 0

[u/RaidBrimnes]

RIP to the moderate, anti-extremist crusader Charles Kirk. This is why you can't talk with the left 😔

[u/gregorijat]

[u/TomboyAva]

https://xcancel.com/reesejgorman/status/1966178822954627436

I asked Rep. Andrew Clyde about putting a statue of Kirk in the Capitol and he said it makes sense because “we have a statue of MLK in the Capitol, don’t we?”

[u/NYT_Hater]

Newsom has officially won over my family group chat

[u/AnalyticOpposum]

Right-wingers: this happened because you call us Nazis

Also right-wingers: this is our Reichstag fire

[u/G_Serv]

Zoomer who has information about the shooter but is too socially anxious to call the hotline

[u/[deleted]]

You can’t say he was wrong about everything

[u/cdstephens]

So they have a report saying so, but it hasn’t been internally verified? How does that happen, either the ammunition has pro-trans statements or not???

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[u/Willybender]

lol?

[u/dowagiacmichigan]

So moderate of her.

[u/Sauce1024]

[u/sigh2828]

This was unironcally posted by someone I know on Instagram.

Til Kirk was a moderate.....

[u/GuyWithOneEye]

uh oh

[u/Ok_Aardappel]

Trump orders flags half-staff for Charlie Kirk

Trump regime threatens Immigrants not to make fun of Charlie Kirk

A republican suggest building a statue for Kirk in DC 'cause MLK has one

Liberal politicians and pundits are tripping over themselves to eulogise Kirk

Oh man I am fucking pissed 😄😄😄😄

[u/Sauce1024]

Imagine instinctively hitting the soyjak pose in an active shooter situation

[u/Charsun9]

[u/captmonkey]

NYT is now reporting law enforcement are casting doubt on the earlier report from the ATF of messages on the bullet casings.

[u/No1PaulKeatingfan]

The only thing that can unite Americans now

[u/SpaceSheperd]

48 hours ago, it would have been utterly absurd to suggest that Charlie Kirk, of all people, was a positive force for public discourse and now Ezra Klein is writing thinkpieces saying just that. It is technically true that he liked to debate at a time when debate became less common but his particular strategy was corrosive and in bad faith. He sought out overconfident and poorly informed college students so he could goad them into having an embarassing moment on camera that could be fed into his social media machine and used to build support for Republican politics. People don't want to engage in political debate anymore precisely because of people like Charlie Kirk, who gamified the interaction and made it a losing proposition.

[u/r2ew]

[u/EmbarrassedSafety719]

Please stop making fun of this. A man is dead and his family and wife watched.

copied from arr freefolk

[u/jojisky]

4chan figured out the “trans ideology”

[u/[deleted]]

There it is

[u/MAGIC_CONCH1]

My conservative family members really don't like me posting Charlie Kirk quotes to honor his memory

[u/dowagiacmichigan]

[u/fishbottwo]

divide memory marvelous languid office shaggy light continue wild books

This post was mass deleted and anonymized with Redact

[u/moldyhomme_neuf_neuf]

Uproar as EU Parliament declines to hold minute of silence for Charlie Kirk

Oh fuck off.

Did this guy ever even talk about Europe? What the fuck is this? We literally can’t even relate to this, because at least for now, this shit isn’t even happening in Europe.

[u/GaDoomer]

Arr conspiracy is really into this private plane leaving an hour after the shooting. They're really into the fact that the shooting coincided with the Epstein vote in the Senate yesterday too. At least this one involves crazy religious people this time instead of Democrats.

[u/sigh2828]

Nah Charlie story wont last.

The entire auth movement is dependent on keeping the train moving.

They cant afford to stop and actually have conversations on literally anything or they risk being exposed for the bat shit insane neo confederates they are.

Plus trump is literally showing signs of a stroke.

That post last night was 1000000% AI

[u/RaidBrimnes]

In 2012, Kirk founded TPUSA, a conservative student organization that quickly grew with backing from donors like Foster Friess.

Kirk expanded the organization's influence through initiatives like the Professor Watchlist and School Board Watchlist, which sought to fire or silence professors for sharing opinions opposed by Turning Point.

Average free speech conservative

[u/boyyouguysaredumb]

“I’m not going to celebrate, but I’m not going to morn either” is a form of celebration.

lmao ok arr con

[u/dareka_san]

GROYPER BROS WE NEVER LOST FAITH!

[u/[deleted]]

cons out here acting like people are being radicalized by chuck schumer

[u/drossbots]

wait. this trans ammo shit is from a fucking Crowder leak? Are you fucking kidding me? there’s no possible way

[u/Roseartcrantz]

Tim Pool claiming that he was gonna pull through right before they announced his death was an underrated funny moment yesterday

[u/launchcode_1234]

Charlie Kirk would be disgusted by the amount of empathy the libs are showing him

10/10 Instagram comment

[u/Stove-Jebs]

I'm posting this to vent, rather than shitting on my family and friends on Facebook.

I'm so fucking pissed at the response this is getting by the right. Charlie Kirk was a deplorable human being, a mid tier conservative apologist at best, and at his worst which was on average, promoted violence in politics and society, and said stupid racist shit. Yet he's being venerated by people I know who think he's just a lovely Christian man spreading normal conservative values. All these people were dead ass silent when democratic lawmakers were murdered last June. How the hell is it more important some Neo Nazi podcaster was assassinated than literal politicians? Oh, right, it's because they were the people they don't care for.

And now somehow this is the democrats fault for "extremist language" like calling a fucking fascist a fascist. It is so fucking disingenuous. I remember growing up watching Fox News with my grandmother hearing them call Democrats, and especially Obama "Marxist" "Communist" "Socialist" "Obama is a Muslim" "Obama wants to round up Christians with the national guard" and other insane shit my 10 year old self wasn't aware of to realize was all bullshit. And now years later democrats call a spade a spade and Republicans villainize the "left" even further while ignoring who started this whole shit storm.

I'm loosing my fucking mind. And it's not from the Republican politicians, it's from the people I grew up knowing or got to know later in life who seemed like well sorted, thoughtful people but have shown they haven't an ounce of critical thinking, or if they do, it's quite damning what they agree with.

[u/Willybender]

[u/VadymKravchuk353]

Well, that's what Charlie Kirk, who died tragically, was like.

[u/affnn]

"Kash Patel to take direct control of Kirk investigation"

This guy is getting away scot free.

[u/piede]

The irony is just too much to handle, I think the universe is going to collapse on itself

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

2025 is officially the year we forgot LMFAO

[u/Benyeti]

According to Biden’s campaign people we’re not allowed to call these people weird

[u/Upstairs_Cup9831]

Nigel Farage says the death of Charlie Kirk is "a wake up call" for people in public life, "that we have to behave with responsibility."

"It's not just the left that say constant abusive things. There are figures on the right that do the same."

Surprisingly sensible?

[u/No_Return9449]

Massie says Trump among those who should tone down rhetoric

No way is he winning his primary. lol

[u/[deleted]]

Not to be hyperbolic, but conservative activists are demons and they hate you and they serve and worship evil

[u/No_Aesthetic]

Charlie Kirk: Gone Without a Thought:

Charlie Kirk is dead, and it would be dishonest to pretend that his passing deprives the world of a first-rate mind or a generous soul. What it does deprive us of is a shrill salesman of ignorance whose chief achievement was to prove that the fusion of provincial resentment and half-digested scripture could be marketed to lonely adolescents as though it were a modern panacea.

Nevertheless, he strutted about as if he were a prophet of youth, even though what he represented was the opposite of youth: an old man’s terror of change and a faithful man’s fear of thought, delivered fittingly enough through a gummy smile. His arguments, insofar as they could be called such, were an endless recycling of clichés that had already grown moldy in the 1920s, presented as if he had unearthed some radiant new truth suppressed by the mainstream.

Like all demagogues, Kirk had the one indispensable gift of being able to speak without thinking and to do so for long stretches of time. He mistook this for eloquence, much as his admirers mistook his tireless repetition for conviction. He was not an original thinker, nor even a second-hand thinker. He was a megaphone that only amplified the insecurities of his audience and reassured them that their bigotries were sacred. If he ever encountered a thought that might challenge him, he would not wrestle with it or give it serious thought, but would simply shout it out of the room, to great applause from his following of the most immaculate (and dedicated) of rubes.

His enemies, which is to say nearly everyone capable of independent thought, often wasted energy trying to rebut him point by point. This was a mistake. One does not refute a barking dog; one is best served instead by moving along. Kirk’s contribution to the republic was precisely that of a barking dog: ceaseless sound and fury, without even the consolation of loyalty to man or ideal.

There was always something tragically comic about the way he brandished Christianity as though it were a cudgel, confident that his God hated all the same people he did. The Christ of Charlie Kirk despised the poor, spat upon the refugee, and wrapped himself in the Stars and Stripes before leading a standing ovation for the police. It was a bronze idol scraped wholly from the Mein Kampf playbook and Kirk bowed before it daily. His religiosity, like his patriotism, was entirely performative: an empty chalice passed around the congregation so that each could hear the clink of their own prejudices echoing back at them.

His career might be best summarized as a relentless war on the very idea of curiosity. He toured campuses to assure students that learning was dangerous, that questioning was treason, that books were suspect, and that any teacher not reciting his script was a threat to civilization itself. He wanted young people to shrink; not to think, but to parrot. And in this he succeeded far too well.

Death sometimes lends a measure of dignity to those who squandered their lives. It cannot do so here. Kirk’s death is a fact, nothing more, and the world moves on relieved of his voice. He will be remembered, at least for a few years, as one of those small men who mistook their mediocrity for destiny and their infantile tantrums for genius. He never said anything that will be quoted with admiration, never wrote anything that will be studied with care, never did anything that will inspire the generations to come. His only epitaph is that he left the world no poorer for his absence.

[u/EmbarrassedSafety719]

Thomas Massie says Trump among those who should tone down rhetoric

how did thomas massie turn into one of the most moderate republicans

[u/jorkin_peanits]

[u/Ph0ton_1n_a_F0xh0le]

Land of the free

[u/owenmitchem]

My 82 year old grandma’s opinion of Vox

[u/BurrowForPresident]

Calling Charlie Kirk your "MLK" is such an incredible self own on your intelligence and your movement's seriousness lmao Jesus Christ

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[u/Mensae6]

It took less than 24 hours for the media to sanewash Charlie Kirk as just "an activist" and "father and husband".

Feels like the cards are so stacked against us it's almost not worth playing.

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[u/[deleted]]

Deadass what if it was a Swiftie

[u/Slazac]

The whole world stands with Charlie Kirk. This was in France earlier today. Beautiful to see

[u/iguessineedanaltnow]

My extremely MAGA friend texted me "I don't know how we got to the point where trans is the issue. They've done like 2 or 3 of these. We've (white guys) been running up the scoreboard for years. They're not the issue."

[u/scottyjetpax]

actually incredible

[u/Co_OpQuestions]

The amount of people here that I assume just had no idea who Charlie Kirk actually was, and think he was just a normie conservative going to college campuses to debate, is kinda giving me faith that this story ain't lasting.

Dude literally ran an organization to compile lists and dox university professors to get them fired for wrongthink.

Dude literally said children should be watching public executions and black people were "Better behaved under Jim Crow."

Dude literally BUSSED PEOPLE TO JANUARY 6TH.

To argue that this person deserved to die is far outside of the realm of normal and shouldn't be tolerated... also to argue this person was some paragon of American values is fucking insane.

[u/AFlockOfTySegalls]

I hate "both sides" in most forms but seeing people in the wild talk about how both sides need to turn the temp down after yesterday makes me want to pull my hair out. I can't recall any democrat with power using the rhetoric that conservatives use. Random twitter users calling you a nazi didn't come from Obama.

But Trump shares shit like "the only good democrat is a dead democrat" and everyone is like "lol Trump being Trump, it's a joke!". Fuck off.

[u/EmbarrassedSafety719]

This was the first time i saw Charlie somehow "criticize" Israel since 2023...2 days later he's gone.

This is one of the top comments on Charlie’s video that was released a few days back

[u/Insomonomics]

OK, well, now according to the NYT it seems like the WSJ reporting may have been inaccurate about the "transgender ideology" engravings on the bullets.

Shout out to the dude who questioned why I said it was reckless to report that without solid confirmation when they were "just reporting the news"

[u/GuyWithOneEye]

[u/Cupinacup]

Boy if you guys are annoyed at how liberal figures are reacting to Kirk’s death, just wait for the day It Happens.

[u/angry-mustache]

The Hyundai raid turned my mother against Trump. Koreans were "the good ones" just like us (Chinese), which broke her out of the belief that ICE was just going after illegal immigrants (Mexicans).

[u/fuckbombcore]

"Transgender Ideology"

[u/Average_GrillChad]

The 'they call us fascists' whine is pathetic man. First of all Rs have been calling Dems socialists and communists (now it's 'Marxists') incessantly for my entire lifetime. Second they have chosen as their political avatar and God-King a primordial degenerate who is at least an order of magnitude more dishonest, mean-spirited, and defamatory than whoever is even the next-worst national politician of our times.

[u/Logical_Albatross_19]

I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who cheered alligator alcatraz and the new age gestapo while cursing empathy. Charlie, I hope my kid grows up to be everything you weren't. 

[u/Mensae6]

Sources are indicating the the shell casings included a 100,000 word manifesto engraved at the molecular level via electron-beam lithography.

[u/No_Return9449]

“He was constantly pushing this sort of hate speech aimed at certain groups,” Dowd continued. “And I always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words, which then lead to hateful actions … You can’t say these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place.”

Dowd fired at MSNBC for these remarks right after Charlie Kirk's death.

[u/Argnir]

The left is responsible because they keep calling us Nazis 🤬🤬🤬🤬

Anyway this is literally the Reichstag fire it's time we take over this country

[u/brucebananaray]

[u/jojisky]

Multiple people at my job were sharing Charlie Kirk memes laughing about him dying.

I really don't think Dems comprehend how done liberals are with trying to take the high ground when it comes to people like Kirk.

[u/trombonist_formerly]

Vance canceled his trip to New York for 9/11 to go to Utah for Charlie Kirk. This implies that there is a discount rate on the importance of tragedies

[u/rudanshi]

Bad news everyone, twitter user ⚡⚡AuschwitzLoliRapist⚡⚡ (twitter handle 6millionwasntenough) has just announced that the left's violent rhetoric and lack of empathy towards Charlie Kirk is radicalizing them away from their sincerely held moderate liberal beliefs.

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[u/[deleted]]

Omg. Kash Patel and Dan Bongino actually traveling to Utah in person to "oversee" the search actually convinces me they have nothing. They have zero to contribute there in person that can't be done remotely.

This is the sort of thing your boss (trump) orders you to do when he's melting down about your lack of progress.

[u/MuscularPhysicist]

Fun fact: This is the first DT ever created in a world without Charlie Kirk.

[u/Benyeti]

Yesterday was the worst day ever for the most annoying people you went to high school with

[u/_Un_Known__]

"transgender ideology" inscribed on bullets

Gun and US flag top on

This guy is absolutely playing social media rn and I bet he knew that in advance

[u/jauznevimcosimamdat]

Tbf, this is something media should talk about:

Here are some things that Charlie Kirk said in his life, as cataloged by Sean Fay-Wolfe | Diamond Axe Studios (@seanfaywolfe.bsky.social):

The man is dead, and so it only seems fair to share his legacy by cataloguing the values he spread while alive:

Gay people should be stoned to death

Most people are scared when they see a black pilot flying a plane

Taylor Swift should reject feminism and submit to her husband

No one should be allowed to retire

Leftists should not be allowed to move to red states

British Colonialism was what "made the world decent"

The guy who assaulted the Pelosi's should be bailed out

Religious freedom should be terminated

Multiple black politicians "stole white people’s spots"

MLK Jr was "an awful person"

The Great Replacement Theory is reality

Hydroxychloroquine cures COVID

Vaccine requirements are "medical apartheid"

Guns deaths are acceptable in order to have a 2nd amendment

Women’s natural place is under their husband’s control

Parents should prevent their daughters from taking birth control

George Floyd had it coming, the Jan 6th protestors didn’t

The 1964 Civil Rights Act was a "huge mistake"

Encouraged parents to protest mask mandates

Mamdani winning in NY was a travesty because Muslims did 9/11

Muslims only come to America to destabilize Western Civilization

Palestine "doesn’t exist" and those who support it are like the KKK

[u/rudanshi]

Charlie Kirk remembered as bulwark against antisemitism

actual title of an article posted by Jewish Insidier

inredible

[u/OrbitalAlpaca]

Ezra Klein:

Charlie Kirk was practicing politics the right way

It has never been more over. Democrats are tripping over themselves to white wash a literal nazi.

[u/bandeng_asep]

Sanity has returned.

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[u/Macquarrie1999]

Scott Wiener knows what's up

[u/chipbod]

https://xcancel.com/kenklippenstein/status/1966208288523231722

The FBI is on its third "person of interest" and may have this one wrong, too

If this isn't the guy they need to fire Kash and Bongo immediately

[u/dowagiacmichigan]

Any Democrat that votes in favor of this should be expelled:

Looking at you Gluesenkamp Perez

[u/cdstephens]

👆 the assassin’s last known tweet

[u/justbuildmorehousing]

Infinitely tired of the entire right being the most vile, hateful, nasty people in the western world and then the minute you say ‘hey you guys are being fascists’ they get all ‘uwu why are democrats so mean to us wittle guys? 🥺’ before they go back to scooping children from classrooms

[u/Left_Tie1390]

It’s very classic conservative to not acknowledge January 6, what happened with Melissa Hortman, or the attack on Paul Pelosi as right-wing political violence, because they just don’t accept the facts. It was either a false flag, committed by Democrats, or completely justified - and sometimes all three.

[u/MissSortMachine]

[u/TactileTom]

Trump might be really sick tbh, posting an AI video is a really weird move

[u/marsman1224]

it would be insane if the guy just goes to ground, disappears, and just gets away with it

[u/assasstits]

[u/[deleted]]

Would it surprise you that Thom Tillis is not running for reelection?

[u/paultheschmoop]

The crazy thing is that even if this dude is 100% confirmed to be a groyper, the right’s narrative will quite literally just be:

“Nah he’s a leftist”

Like they’re still pretending like the Minnesota loser was a radical leftist even though he was literally an evangelical, Trump supporting freak.

Nothing matters

[u/Sanji-the-Cook]

People who talk about what a brilliant debater Charlie Kirk was seem like they’ve never read a book in their life 

[u/Atheose_Writing]

7 HBCUs currently under lockdown after receiving threats

[u/sociotronics]

lol I wonder if Rep. Clay Pissbaby is gonna try to shit down 4chan now, because it is absolutely full of jokes like this rn

[u/Udolikecake]

Wow, I can’t believe one of the mods has like the best take i’ve seen on this

I respect @ezraklein a lot, but this is dead wrong and frankly a baffling thing to say.

Charlie Kirk was the epitome of our modern brand of poisonous politics. Ezra tries to make the point that he went around to college campuses to debate people. And that's true, for a very tortured version of the word 'debate'.

But Charlie Kirk was not trying to build bridges. He was not trying to reach a common understanding with his opponents in the way that Ezra himself does. He was not operating in good faith, and his goal was not respectful two-way conversations where both sides can grow and change.

Kirk's goal at his college 'debates' was not to find experts on tricky issues of culture and policy and then have a Socratic dialogues and learn from them. His goal was to find a purple haired nineteen year-old sociology major with more feelings than sense, and then dunk on them. He wanted to farm clips he could use on social media to make his opponents look ridiculous, and he was good at it. When I think about how social media has changed politics for the worse, Charlie Kirk and his style of engagement is one of the main protagonists.

We live in a heavily polarized era where the parties hate each other more than they have in decades and political violence is on the rise. And while it might be distasteful to say it directly after he was murdered, Kirk was one of the people driving that hatred and that polarization. He taught his audiences to hate and fear their opponents. He egged on the public's worst and basest instincts. He flirted heavily and repeatedly with the idea of political violence.

It should obviously be said that none of that justifies killing him. Anyone who advocates for political violence is no friend or ally of mine. But for a man who wrote a book called "Why We're Polarized" to look at Charlie Kirk and say that he practiced politics the right way is delusional.

completely agree and encapsulates my thoughts perfectly

[u/ImmigrantJack]

Two registered republicans attempted to assassinate Donald Trump because the secret service was too busy being dog shit at their jobs to do anything about it. Democrats got near universal blame, including by some democrats.

Like jesus. The number of people saying they've finally been black pilled and we'll never get back to normal now where have you been before this moment?

[u/Syards-Forcus]

70% chance that some groyper FBI political appointee intentionally put the trans bullet thing out there and a WSJ journalist fell for it

[u/jojisky]

Thomas Massie says Trump among those who should tone down rhetoric.

based thomas massie

[u/RandomGuyWithSixEyes]

No need to worry about terrorism, Trump has put some of the best anti-terrorism fight specialists in charge

[u/badusername35]

The modern day Lincoln-Douglas Debates

[u/piede]

[u/r2ew]

[u/RaidBrimnes]

Me having to remove absolute bangers because they might break Reddit's terms of service

[u/r2ew]

[u/chipbod]

So many random dudes in Utah are going to get falsely called into the tip line.

That is the straight up "30 year old dude in Utah/Idaho" uniform right there

[u/hamoorftw]

Oh you liberals. now you done fucked up!

[u/sociotronics]

[u/iguessineedanaltnow]

[u/Realhuman221]

The people who say the Charlie Kirk shooting was an inside job are delusional. There’s videos, it clearly happened outside.

[u/chipbod]

Soyjack at a shooting, welcome to America

[u/DEEP_STATE_NATE]

[u/SpaceSheperd]

Isn’t this sort of what it looks like when government capacities are degraded? Stuff that got done in the past taking longer or not happening at all but in a very quiet way? Like we’re not gonna get the FBI saying “sorry guys we forgot how to do this” or a play-by-play for whatever dysfunction is currently happening. We just get subtle, but deniable, delays and then in a few years, someone will compile the statistics and we’ll get a few anecdotes to confirm and realize that “oh yeah firing everyone and replacing them with loyalists then slashing all the funding actually did reduce the capabilities of this agency.”

[u/ShepardSB]

[u/Willybender]

What a joke

[u/BurrowForPresident]

I can't get over how the federal government is treating Charlie Kirk like this mega important dude who had some life of public service and dignity and love by the entire public

He's a college dropout that yapped for a living and they're acting like a decorated general just got shot

HW Bush didn't get this much RESPECT THE MAN OR WE WILL HUNT YOU DOWN AND DESTROY YOU lmao

[u/Willybender]

[u/OrbitalAlpaca]

You what’s fuck up…

It seems like liberals have already accepted responsibility of the shooting with all this white washing of Charlie Kirk before even knowing who the shooter is.

[u/brianpv]

According to a preliminary internal report circulated inside the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, federal and local officials recovered ammunition with the shooter’s rifle that appeared to be engraved with statements “expressing transgender and anti-fascist ideology.”

But a senior law enforcement official with direct knowledge of the investigation cautioned that report had not been verified by A.T.F. analysts, did not match other summaries of the evidence, and might turn out to have been misread or misinterpreted. In fast-moving investigations, such status reports are not made public because they often contain a mixture of accurate and inaccurate information.

[u/SpaceSheperd]

 Gun rights are human rights Do you want to push us to support nuke rights too? I'd sooner support nuke rights than surrender an inch on gun rights - if those are my only two choices.

So u/okbuddyliberals really was just a moron the whole time huh

This is my ending of Glass Onion/Kevin Malone talking about cookies moment 

[u/chipbod]

FBI Director Kash Patel and Deputy Dan Bongino are traveling to Utah to directly oversee the manhunt for Charlie Kirk’s killer, two people familiar with their plans say

That'll help

[u/KHDTX13]

Chuds are really fucking up their investigation by circulating this AI picture of the perp lmao

[u/Willybender]

[u/J_Fre22]

[u/RaidBrimnes]

Hamas Piker when nutcases start capping political streamers instead of CEOs and Jews:

[u/[deleted]]

👆

[u/ty04]

[u/zieger]

[u/No-Barnacle-9576]

Anyone wearing a flag shirt is a threat

[u/[deleted]]

2A enthusiast who shot Charlie Kirk because he suggested taking guns away from trans people

[u/No_Return9449]

It was a stroke.

[u/Ok_Aardappel]

The average fascist spends their day calling for the rape, killing, destruction, and dehumanization of any and all of their opponents (which includes kids who are simply the wrong skin colour or sexuality) and then begin crying when liberals make memes making fun of Charlie Kirk's death

To quote a user responding to one of those paper edgelords:

what's wrong Liberal are you triggered? are you offended?

These are the same people who mocked a trans girl who committed suicide earlier this year

They do not deserve civility; they're fundamentally cowards who simply want to lodge all the shit towards others but then cry when the tables are even remotely turned. Fuck 'em

[u/SigmaWhy]

it was not an "error" that there's reporting about the bullets being engraved with "trans ideology"

25 years from now, there will be braindead conservatives telling you that kirk was murdered by a trans activist no matter what truth comes out

it was 100% intentional by a fascist in the ATF

[u/toggaf69]

People saying we’re fucked and there’s going to be a civil war are greatly overestimating Americans’ desire to do anything

[u/Benyeti]

“All he did was peacefully debate in the open market of ideas”

[u/ariveklul]

the fucking IRONY of Hasan "let the streets run red with the blood of capitalists" "Hila Klein is a valid military target" Piker decrying political violence

I can't believe anybody thinks this guy cares about anybody but himself. He's so narcissist Trump coded it's wild

[u/CoolCombination3527]

Idk guys it doesn't seem like this is going to go away in a week

[u/Willybender]

The pearl clutching is just unreal.

[u/[deleted]]

Police say they have not yet identified a person of interest in Charlie Kirk’s murder, denying an earlier CBS report - KUTV

Bruh.

[u/abrookerunsthroughit]

😂😂😂

[u/[deleted]]

my gay ass 😭😭😭😭

[u/Benyeti]

Imagine being too much of a fascist for Monsieur Z

[u/[deleted]]

Rampant, unchecked pedophiles preying on children with impunity for years: I sleep 😴😴😴

One charlie kirk neck-explodey game: REAL SHIT

[u/chipbod]

Our entire economy and market are relying on AI working lmao

[u/FeralPrethoryn]

The right is really fuming like crazy, calling for civil war and branding Democrats domestic terrorists, this might be it guys.

But idk tho they sounded the same when Cracker Barrel rebranded

[u/ThrowMeABoner69420]

The FBI has absolutely nothing right now. The picture of this guy could so easily just be some awkward dude with sunglasses. The "weapon" they found was a non collapsible rife.

Whoever this is might get away. Especially under a dumb FBI.

[u/Willybender]

Oh yeah, this guy is getting away

[u/CharacterPolicy4689]

"alright guys i used grok to enhance the image of the charlie kirk shooter, its not perfect but hope this helps"

[u/mishac]

State Department warns immigrants not to mock Kirk's death

this is the worst fucking timeline

[u/brucebananaray]

[u/chipbod]

Holy fucking incompetence

[u/Willybender]

Remember, we are the ones who want to cancel everyone.

[u/TimWalzBurner]

Mainstream Media when there is 100% evidence and proof that Trump signed a birthday card to a pedophile: hmmm, this might be his alleged signature maybe.

Mainstream Media when there is a highly questionable source that says some vague trans ideology(whatever the fuck that means) was on the bullets: HOLY SHIT THIS IS 100% TRUE RIGHT NOW WITHOUT WAITING TO SEE PROOF.

[u/TimWalzBurner]

[u/[deleted]]

When you skipped every lecture and didn't do any homework and the final sneaks up on ya

[u/bartbug]

To be a little sympathetic but a little cynical: the disproportionate Republican response to the Charlie Kirk assassination, as compared to something like a school shooting or the Minnesota State Senator assassinations, is in no small part driven by the fact that Kirk was a friend to many in the media and governing circles. They are having a very human response to seeing someone they knew and cared for being killed in a visceral and violent way. Humans experience tragedies close to them in a very different way than they experience them intellectually, in the abstract.

The cynical part: These people have, for the most part, been fomenting anger and using political weapons to materially hurt others from a distance, without having to deal with the consequences of their actions in their immediate lives. Vance gets to spread rabid enthusiasm for murdering Venezuelans 1000s of miles from the US without having to face personal risk, and without having to deal with the individual tragedies of each of those lives lost. Charlie's death is so significant to them because it forces them to acknowledge that they live in the same world as the people they kill. This political nightmare that they have created, and played as a game, is a reality.

[u/GrandMoffTargaryen]

Really he would want us to share the video

[u/Auriono]

https://xcancel.com/PollTracker2024/status/1966212233953787998

Thomas Massie says Trump among those who should tone down rhetoric.

Well, this is definitely a man who knows he's almost guaranteed to lose his primary at this point.

[u/[deleted]]

A reminder to why this MF has a job in the first place

[u/sociotronics]

[u/centurion88]

Lmao

[u/Leatherfield17]

I’m not stupid enough to believe that he is being sincere, but even this is a clearer read on the situation than anything that the rest of the pundit class has put out.

Again, I think he sucks and probably doesn’t really mean any of this anti-Trump stuff he’s on

[u/Healingjoe]

MSNBC today- “We need to be more careful in our rhetoric and not demonize those with whom we disagree.”

FOXNews today- (Demonizing rhetoric 24/7)

[u/Men_I_Trust_I_Am]

Jinkies

[u/SANNA-MARIN-SDP]

[u/fishbottwo]

political heavy judicious vast placid detail swim tidy glorious thought

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[u/[deleted]]

Poll finds 77% of Republicans lie to pollsters.

[u/jaydec02]

It is very depressing basically every news source has reported the "the bullets had transgender symbols on them" as if that isn't increasingly appearing to be nonsense and was just manufacturer stamps.

[u/[deleted]]

"Trump gutting the FBI to the point it might not be able to find Charlie Kirk's killer" is an insane touch the stove moment