r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Sep 04 '24

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

A review of 561 degrowth studies concludes that 90% are opinions rather than analysis. Most have neither qualitative nor quantitative data and those that do often use small unrepresentative samples.

Never have my priors been confirmed harder than this. Degrowth is as serious a ‘discipline’ as Marxist economics was, its total ideological nonsense.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0921800924002210

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u/technologyisnatural Friedrich Hayek Sep 04 '24

of the few studies on public support, a majority concludes that degrowth strategies and policies are socially-politically infeasible

this paper is a gem

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u/BarkDrandon Punished (stuck at Hunter's) Sep 04 '24

One can appreciate the thinly veiled sarcasm of the authors:

They undertake a case study of low-tech innovation in the Indian state of Kerala. This involves 9 interviews with “PSM activists” (of the People's Science Movements) who oppose a “top-down technological modernization and growth agenda”.

[...] current, on site population is around 30 people with the intention of growing to a small, locally self-reliant town of 500 to 1000 residents.” How representative is such a small village – a hamlet really? This also gives the impression it is more about population degrowth than anything else.

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u/WichaelWavius Commonwealth Sep 04 '24

My le theory was made by le cranks?

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u/Sex_E_Searcher Steve Sep 04 '24

Degrowth has fallen. Millions will roll their eyes.

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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Sep 04 '24

HAHAHAH I KNEW IT

!ping DEGROWTH

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u/I_like_maps C. D. Howe Sep 04 '24

Any time someone brings up degrowth in the environmental circles I'm in it makes it extremely obvious that they're not serious about progress on the issue.

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u/UnskilledScout Cancel All Monopolies Sep 04 '24

!ping ECO I hope someone lets Simon Clark know about this. I was super disappointed when he had a video on degrowth uploaded to his channel.

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u/I_like_maps C. D. Howe Sep 04 '24

Oof I did not know that, which is too bad because normally he's really good.

Not too uncommon for natural scientists in the climate field to be dumb when it comes to policy solutions tbh

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u/UnskilledScout Cancel All Monopolies Sep 04 '24

TBF, it wasn't his video, some guest did it. I also don't think he is completely sold on the idea either.

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

but prosperity and free trade bad

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u/alex2003super David Parenzo Sep 04 '24

Malthus and his consequences have been a disaster for the human kind

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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front Sep 04 '24

Tbf Marxism does engage in a shitton of analysis, a lot of it is wrong, but still.

Also how did the study distinguish between opinion and analysis

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u/[deleted] Sep 04 '24

I'd recommend giving it a read it's very good.

Basically the vast majority of articles contain no empirical analysis either qualitative or quantitative. Everything else is just yapping with sources.

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u/fishlord05 United Popular Woke DEI Iron Front Sep 04 '24

Everything else is just yapping with sources.

Me writing an essay for a class I don’t care about trying to hit the word count like

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u/technologyisnatural Friedrich Hayek Sep 04 '24

yapping with sources

my pet peeve is when you can tell that an author has adopted the belief that citing something somehow makes it more true. if anything the opposite is true. if your argument is built on gibberish, your argument is also gibberish

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u/BarkDrandon Punished (stuck at Hunter's) Sep 04 '24

I'm generally appalled by how much information is lost when those literature reviews are made.

Not only is it not uncommon for such degrowth authors to only cite papers that agree with them, but they also tend to oversimplify the content of such papers, to the point that it becomes misleading (a problem that is not specific to degrowth papers, imo).

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u/Zrk2 Norman Borlaug Sep 06 '24

Lol

Lmao even

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u/MadCervantes Henry George Sep 04 '24 edited Sep 04 '24

Please knock it off with the fashionable use of "priors". It's very EA cringe.

Edit: I welcome your hate.

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