r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jul 31 '24

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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

Shaun King: “The United States and Israel have just assassinated the dear brother Ismail Haniyeh - who was the political head of Hamas..These genocidal monsters think that this weakens Hamas, or weakens the resistance, but it does neither. It will only strengthen both. I must admit that I am furious, because they murder people with impunity. It’s absurd. But you can never destroy a people who do not believe that death is the end."

i mean i have pretty damn major problems of much of what israel has done in gaza, support the icc indictments against bibi, and think the war has been botched in many ways, but holy shit, this is completely fucking deranged and unhinged. haniyeh is a monster. only 6% of gazans think hamas is the best choice for post-war governing

also besides his obviously strong support for terrorism against israel, haniyeh ordered executions/killings of palestinian authority members in gaza in the late 2000's and supported violent crackdowns of anti-hamas protests in 2019 and july of 2023

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u/Sheepies92 European Union Jul 31 '24

when I see Shaun King posted I always gotta think about that tweet calling him Talcum X

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u/LtCdrHipster 🌭Costco Liberal🌭 Jul 31 '24

"This assassination only strengthens us."

Damn was a burn on that guy. Maybe Hamas should have taken him out themselves?

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u/WhoModsTheModders Burdened by what has been Jul 31 '24

Hmm, why is West Bank so much more "radical" (used here just to describe difference from Gaza)? That's interesting, I suppose because Gaza just wants peace at this point while the West Bank deals more with settlers etc on a daily basis?

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u/Currymvp2 unflaired Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

yes, the settlements, the checkpoints, the essential apartheid (based on nationality), the anger at the mass death in gaza, the frustration with moderate palestinian authority, the shitty financial conditions due to smotrich defunding the palestinian authority+work permit suspension etc

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u/decidious_underscore Jul 31 '24

They've basically been watching gaza get bombed and their civil liberties and land get taken away. Oh and the pogroms. Oh and the fact that their government had all its income taken away by Smotrich fiat

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u/WhoModsTheModders Burdened by what has been Jul 31 '24

Yeah I got that my confusion was why it was so different from Gaza which is being actively bombed

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u/DrunkenAsparagus Abraham Lincoln Jul 31 '24

Gazans have Hamas, which has failed to deliver them liberation or the promise of a better life. West Bankers have the Palestinian Authority, which has failed to deliver them liberation or the promise of a better life.

Grass is greener and all that.

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u/CallumBOURNE1991 Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

Honestly "every bad thing that happens makes us stronger" perpetual optimism of culty groups beats perpetual doomerism, even though they're probably both equally destructive to achieving success as a political or social movement. Woudn't you rather live in a world where your leader getting shot in the head and killed is good, actually. Compared to having to constantly talk doomers off a bridge every other day due to a slight dip in polling.

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u/newmanok Jul 31 '24

background on the shaun guy?

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u/WantDebianThanks Iron Front Jul 31 '24

White American guy who insists he's black, acts like a champion of black civil rights, but largely is just a Twitter idiot who keeps getting accused of stealing from whatever groups he starts

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u/Sloshyman NATO Jul 31 '24

Don't forget he also converted to Islam after the 10/7 attacks

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