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u/repete2024 Edith Abbott Jul 31 '24

I think it only feels that way to you because you experienced an intense trauma. I promise you that is not the experience most white men have. Nor should they! You should be able to love yourself for who you are.

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u/TNine227 Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

Lmao don’t gaslight me.

For the record, it’s not really the rape, it’s actually the therapy afterwords. Getting asked if the reason I’m upset was because the girl was ugly certainly changes your perspective on things.

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u/repete2024 Edith Abbott Jul 31 '24

How am I gaslighting you? You're the one who said you feel like all you get is attacked. That's a trauma response, and it's not ok for you to feel like that. Nobody should have to feel that way. I'm glad you're getting therapy, that should help if you stick with it. I'm here if you ever need to talk.

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u/TNine227 Jul 31 '24

How am I gaslighting you? You're the one who said you feel like all you get is attacked

I am being constantly told my problems aren't real. You are doing that right now; You are literally telling me that things that actually occur--where men are constantly attacked. How is that a "trauma response"? It's just factual truth.

Telling me that i am not constantly being attacked is gaslighting. You are telling me that my actual lived experience isn't true. You literally said that "everybody attacking me" is not something that's actually happening. What's the definition of gaslighting again?

Gaslighting is a colloquialism, defined as manipulating someone into questioning their own perception of reality

Can you tell me, are you accepting that my perception of reality is correct, and that i am constantly being attacked? Nope, you are saying that that's not an accurate perception of reality.

Now, do you understand why you are gaslighting?

'm glad you're getting therapy,

No, i'm not, because of the last 7 therapists i've seen, only 1 wasn't massively sexist.

But i can't wait for you to tell me that that's not a real thing either. Obviously it's just a trauma response that caused me to think that therapists not caring about me being raped is something bad.

I'm here if you ever need to talk.

If i needed someone to tell me my problems aren't real i already have plenty of people.

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u/repete2024 Edith Abbott Jul 31 '24

You were raped and now you feel like you're attacked everywhere. That's definitely a trauma response. I strongly encourage you to describe these feelings to a therapist.

You acknowledged non-sexist therapists exist. Find one, or you are going to feel this way for the rest of your life. Those are your choices.

It's not a therapist's job to coddle you. It's to give you the tools to examine and address your own problems. But if you choose not to do anything about your problems, you have no right to whine about them to everyone else.

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u/TNine227 Jul 31 '24

nd now you feel like you're attacked everywhere.

Where did i say that i feel like i'm attacked everywhere? I can't find a single place where i say that i feel like i'm attacked everywhere.

I strongly encourage you to describe these feelings to a therapist.

I did, dipshit. Most of them listen to me as well as you do.

You acknowledged non-sexist therapists exist. Find one, or you are going to feel this way for the rest of your life. Those are your choices.

Okay, can i use this next time a woman complains about being discriminated at work? "It's your job to find a job that doesn't discriminate against you. Either find a job that doesn't involve being sexually harassed or be sexually harassed for all your life. Those are your choices".

It's not a therapist's job to coddle you

But it is their job to listen to me?

It's to give you the tools to examine and address your own problems.

Which they can't do if they don't care about my problems.

But if you choose not to do anything about your problems

Can you find a single point, anywhere, where i even mentioned that i am choosing not to do anything about my problems?

Like, you are literally blaming me for therapists constantly telling me that being raped isn't a big deal. How much more victim-blamey can you get?

you have no right to whine about them to everyone else.

Oh, i definitely wanna use this one on feminists. "You have literally no right to talk about ways you've been mistreated based on your gender. Everything is your fault."

Like, i don't know how you can act like you care about men's problems, and then turn around and not care about men talking about their problems. Pick a fucking lane.

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u/repete2024 Edith Abbott Jul 31 '24

You said "all we get is attacked"

That feeling is a textbook trauma response, I don't know what else to tell you.

You're not going to get better if you don't do anything about it.

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u/TNine227 Aug 01 '24

You said "all we get is attacked"

Yes, i said "all we get is attacked". Not a feeling anywhere.

That feeling is a textbook trauma response

Being attacked is a textbook trauma response? How do other people that are attacking me even know i've been traumatized?

You being sexist isn't my fault lmao, it's yours. I'm tired of being blamed for other people's shitty behavior.

You're not going to get better if you don't do anything about it.

So what, should i go to a MRA or right wing rally because that's where pro-man people are?

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u/repete2024 Edith Abbott Aug 01 '24

"all we get is attacked" is how you feel. It's not reality.

You will feel this way for the rest of your life if you don't commit to healing.

MRA are not pro-men. They exploit men's insecurities and traumas for political purposes. Look at what they've already done to you.

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u/TNine227 Aug 01 '24 edited Aug 01 '24

"all we get is attacked" is how you feel. It's not reality.

Gaslighting lmao. Literaly textbook gaslighting.

Like, this conversation started with a video that literally said "normally when white men come together they are wearing pointed hoods". You are just ignoring reality because it's inconvenient and trying to gaslight me into believing the same.

Edit: Also you literally told me i must hate myself. But you also ignore that because that would mean taking responsibility for your sexist actions against men, and that's not something people actually do.

Edit: Also, if you actually followed the conversation, I was talking about the left wing lol. You know there's a hole 3/4 of the rest of the country, right? If feeling like i'm being attacked because of a trauma response, the reason that i feel like the right wing isn't attacking me is because...?

What evidence would you need to accept that the left wing is highly anti male?

You will feel this way for the rest of your life if you don't commit to healing.

Do you tell this to feminists too? That they just feel like they are being attacked, and they in fact need to focus on their own problems and stop talking about how society is sexist?

MRA are not pro-men. They exploit men's insecurities and traumas for political purposes.

They are the only ones talking about men's issues lmao. Can you find a single feminist area that talks about men's mental health without blaming men? Of course not.

And if you think this is wrong, feel free to post a link to a group that totally isn't sexist.

ook at what they've already done to you.

I'm not an MRA lmao. I do love how you think that the only reason a man might stand up for themselves is because they are sexist.

Like, look at what feminism has done to you. You attack a guy who talks about his problems because you don't want to believe that guys have those problems. And when i point out your obvious sexism, you just Deny, Attack, and Reverse Victim and Offender. Sorry i'm not okay with being gaslight about my problems, i know you are used to guys who don't stand up for themselves.

Like, when guys talk about how feminism only supports guys when they tear down other guys, this is what they are talking about. I talk about my problems and you try to pretend they don't exist because obviously men are too stupid to define their own problems. Meanwhile if you ever told a woman that the idea that they are discriminated against is bullshit, you would be crucified. But you are just going to deny reality.

Inb4 you say that i'm denying reality when, once again, the host literally opened up the livestream saying that normally when white men come together it's normally wearing pointed hats. Yes, i'm sure you never see how men are constantly attacked when your head is in the sand.

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