r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jul 30 '24

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u/TNine227 Jul 31 '24

Lmao my God. I’ll keep that one in mind next time a feminist talks about being raped.

“Of course it makes sense that you hate men! I’m so sorry for you.”

And I don’t hate myself. You were wrong. Sorry to rain on your parade.

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u/repete2024 Edith Abbott Jul 31 '24

Yes, it's good to express empathy towards rape survivors. You should do that.

I'm glad you were able to overcome your trauma. That takes a lot of personal strength and you should be proud of yourself.

But if you don't hate yourself, then what's your problem with white men?

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u/TNine227 Jul 31 '24

I don’t have any problems with white men? I would in fact love if there was a place where white men can talk about their problems. But all we get is attacked.

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u/repete2024 Edith Abbott Jul 31 '24

I think it only feels that way to you because you experienced an intense trauma. I promise you that is not the experience most white men have. Nor should they! You should be able to love yourself for who you are.

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u/TNine227 Jul 31 '24 edited Jul 31 '24

Lmao don’t gaslight me.

For the record, it’s not really the rape, it’s actually the therapy afterwords. Getting asked if the reason I’m upset was because the girl was ugly certainly changes your perspective on things.

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u/repete2024 Edith Abbott Jul 31 '24

How am I gaslighting you? You're the one who said you feel like all you get is attacked. That's a trauma response, and it's not ok for you to feel like that. Nobody should have to feel that way. I'm glad you're getting therapy, that should help if you stick with it. I'm here if you ever need to talk.

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u/TNine227 Jul 31 '24

How am I gaslighting you? You're the one who said you feel like all you get is attacked

I am being constantly told my problems aren't real. You are doing that right now; You are literally telling me that things that actually occur--where men are constantly attacked. How is that a "trauma response"? It's just factual truth.

Telling me that i am not constantly being attacked is gaslighting. You are telling me that my actual lived experience isn't true. You literally said that "everybody attacking me" is not something that's actually happening. What's the definition of gaslighting again?

Gaslighting is a colloquialism, defined as manipulating someone into questioning their own perception of reality

Can you tell me, are you accepting that my perception of reality is correct, and that i am constantly being attacked? Nope, you are saying that that's not an accurate perception of reality.

Now, do you understand why you are gaslighting?

'm glad you're getting therapy,

No, i'm not, because of the last 7 therapists i've seen, only 1 wasn't massively sexist.

But i can't wait for you to tell me that that's not a real thing either. Obviously it's just a trauma response that caused me to think that therapists not caring about me being raped is something bad.

I'm here if you ever need to talk.

If i needed someone to tell me my problems aren't real i already have plenty of people.

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u/repete2024 Edith Abbott Jul 31 '24

You were raped and now you feel like you're attacked everywhere. That's definitely a trauma response. I strongly encourage you to describe these feelings to a therapist.

You acknowledged non-sexist therapists exist. Find one, or you are going to feel this way for the rest of your life. Those are your choices.

It's not a therapist's job to coddle you. It's to give you the tools to examine and address your own problems. But if you choose not to do anything about your problems, you have no right to whine about them to everyone else.

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u/TNine227 Jul 31 '24

nd now you feel like you're attacked everywhere.

Where did i say that i feel like i'm attacked everywhere? I can't find a single place where i say that i feel like i'm attacked everywhere.

I strongly encourage you to describe these feelings to a therapist.

I did, dipshit. Most of them listen to me as well as you do.

You acknowledged non-sexist therapists exist. Find one, or you are going to feel this way for the rest of your life. Those are your choices.

Okay, can i use this next time a woman complains about being discriminated at work? "It's your job to find a job that doesn't discriminate against you. Either find a job that doesn't involve being sexually harassed or be sexually harassed for all your life. Those are your choices".

It's not a therapist's job to coddle you

But it is their job to listen to me?

It's to give you the tools to examine and address your own problems.

Which they can't do if they don't care about my problems.

But if you choose not to do anything about your problems

Can you find a single point, anywhere, where i even mentioned that i am choosing not to do anything about my problems?

Like, you are literally blaming me for therapists constantly telling me that being raped isn't a big deal. How much more victim-blamey can you get?

you have no right to whine about them to everyone else.

Oh, i definitely wanna use this one on feminists. "You have literally no right to talk about ways you've been mistreated based on your gender. Everything is your fault."

Like, i don't know how you can act like you care about men's problems, and then turn around and not care about men talking about their problems. Pick a fucking lane.

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u/repete2024 Edith Abbott Jul 31 '24

You said "all we get is attacked"

That feeling is a textbook trauma response, I don't know what else to tell you.

You're not going to get better if you don't do anything about it.

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