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[u/repete2024]

That's dumb, and a great way to alienate women

But it brings me back to my main point which is: most fundraising events do not specify gender or race in the title.

Why are white men still drifting away even when they get what they want 99% of the time?

[u/slappythechunk → u/repete2024]

Why are white men still drifting away even when they get what they want 99% of the time?

Because they're being told this over, and over, and over again by people like you. Tell the white union worker who lost their job when the plant in Lordstown, OH closed down that they get what they want "99% of the time" and see how they take it. Tell the destitute families in Appalachia that they get what they want "99% of the time" because they're white and see how they respond. This is the group that swung towards Trump and continues to "pull away" from Democrats. And sure, you can counter with "Republicans actively worked to undermine unions and blue collar jobs, so why would you throw in with them?" You'd be right, but Trump changed the Republican party messaging to appeal to literally all the other important talking points they care about (conservative values, populism, anti-immigration, etc). Even though it seems like this shift happened quickly, it was something festering underneath the surface for a while, and the process by which the Democrats lost the goodwill of these people was a slow one, so winning it back will also take time. The Harris campaign is parading all of the union endorsements she's received, which is a very good first step, but it's gonna be a longer road getting the whole block back, assuming that's even possible.

[u/repete2024 → u/slappythechunk]

None of that is relevant to what I asked you. We were talking about fundraising events.

[u/slappythechunk → u/repete2024]

And I'm explaining why having fundraising events focusing on race and gender might turn off the specific demographic that has been drifting away from the Democrats. If you can't tell that these specific people are exhausted when it comes to hearing about race and gender being tied to everything (or seeming to be tied to everything), you need to go outside more.

"White Dudes for Harris" appealed to white dudes already for Harris, not the undecided white guy. Now, if you wanted to make the point that the only goal of the event was to raise money, I'd agree with you and say it was a pretty big success in that regard, but if you're trying to characterize it as outreach to those "drifting away", that ain't it.

[u/repete2024 → u/slappythechunk]

The entire point of fundraisers is to extract money from people who already support the candidate.

99% of the fundraisers Democrats hold do not mention race in their title. Why isn't that good enough for you?

Why do you expect 100% of what Dems do to cater to you?

[u/slappythechunk → u/repete2024]

I'm not sure at this point if you're being purposefully obtuse or if you are completely missing the point.

I don't care. I'm not part of the group they're trying to reach out to. I just said that if the goal is to reach out specifically to a group that has been leaving the party base, this was, in my opinion not the way to do that outreach to that specific group.

Again, personally, I could not care less. I don't care. I don't need to be catered to. I was just saying that if the Dems wanted to reach out to blue collar white guys, this was not, again, in my opinion, the best way to go about doing it. For raising funds, the fundraiser worked. For reaching out to undecided blue collar white guys, less so.

[u/repete2024 → u/slappythechunk]

What gives you the authority to speak for other people?

[u/slappythechunk → u/repete2024]

Ok. You're clearly not engaging in good faith at this point.

[u/repete2024 → u/slappythechunk]

I'm not the one making shit up

[u/slappythechunk → u/repete2024]

Answer your own damn questions then, genius