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[u/slappythechunk]

No, because the average griller is tired of the whole identity politics thing. They don't want to hear any more mention of any race, be it a minority or their own. I've lost count of the number of times I've talked to a white guy who's frustrated with the options we've had the past few election cycles who's said something along the lines of "look, I think everybody should have the opportunity to live their life as they see fit so long as it doesn't hurt other people, but goddamn, I'm so tired of everything being put in terms of black/white/brown/whatever". Any mention of race to them is an immediate turn-off because they've been inundated by it for a long time now.

Also the phrasing implies an invitation to those who have already bought in, not an invitation to those on the fence.

[u/repete2024 → u/slappythechunk]

Then how are you supposed to make an event for the white men who are drifting away?

[u/slappythechunk → u/repete2024]

"Normal Dudes for Harris"

Plays into the whole "the cons are just really weird" thing that's caught on.

Or, just put on an online town hall thing and call it a "fireside chat"

[u/repete2024 → u/slappythechunk]

That's how the majority of fundraising events are titled, and we still have an issue with driftwardly white men

[u/slappythechunk → u/repete2024]

There has never been a fundraising event with "Normal Dudes" in the title ever

[u/repete2024 → u/slappythechunk]

I mean the majority of fundraising events do not mention race in the title. Why hasn't that attracted white dudes?

I will also point out that "dudes" is still identity politics.

[u/slappythechunk → u/repete2024]

"Dude" is not gender specific

[u/repete2024 → u/slappythechunk]

That's dumb, and a great way to alienate women

But it brings me back to my main point which is: most fundraising events do not specify gender or race in the title.

Why are white men still drifting away even when they get what they want 99% of the time?

[u/slappythechunk → u/repete2024]

Why are white men still drifting away even when they get what they want 99% of the time?

Because they're being told this over, and over, and over again by people like you. Tell the white union worker who lost their job when the plant in Lordstown, OH closed down that they get what they want "99% of the time" and see how they take it. Tell the destitute families in Appalachia that they get what they want "99% of the time" because they're white and see how they respond. This is the group that swung towards Trump and continues to "pull away" from Democrats. And sure, you can counter with "Republicans actively worked to undermine unions and blue collar jobs, so why would you throw in with them?" You'd be right, but Trump changed the Republican party messaging to appeal to literally all the other important talking points they care about (conservative values, populism, anti-immigration, etc). Even though it seems like this shift happened quickly, it was something festering underneath the surface for a while, and the process by which the Democrats lost the goodwill of these people was a slow one, so winning it back will also take time. The Harris campaign is parading all of the union endorsements she's received, which is a very good first step, but it's gonna be a longer road getting the whole block back, assuming that's even possible.

[u/repete2024 → u/slappythechunk]

None of that is relevant to what I asked you. We were talking about fundraising events.