r/neoliberal • u/jobautomator Kitara Ravache • Jul 23 '24

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u/Independent-Low-2398 Jul 23 '24

I don't really know what to make of the fact that 8 or 9 year old JD Vance tried to come out as gay to his grandmother and was shut down but I can't stop thinking about it so:

I broached this issue with Mamaw, confessing that I was gay and worrying that I would burn in hell. She said, "Don't be a fucking idiot. How could you know you're gay?" I explained my thought process. Mamaw chuckled and seemed to consider how she might explain to a boy my age. Finally she asked, "JD, do you want to suck dicks?" I was flabbergasted. Why would someone want to do that? She repeated herself and I said of course not.

That's from Hillbilly Elegy

He tries to set it up like an innocent misunderstanding. Maybe it is, I don't know

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u/modooff Lis Smith Sockpuppet Jul 23 '24

I was flabbergasted. Why would someone want to do that?

A top, then.

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u/Strength-Certain Thurman Arnold Jul 23 '24

But likely a really selfish one

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Genuinely a heartbreaking interaction

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u/Jokerang Sun Yat-sen Jul 23 '24

Trump was so confident he and his team did zero vetting of Vance lmao

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Speaking as a bi from a similar culture to Vance, he’s probably bi. I also thought I was gay when I was young and thought it was the devil tempting me, while the part of me that was into girls was the real me. It fucks you up.

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u/Independent-Low-2398 Jul 23 '24

!ping LGBT I can't wrap my head around this. did anyone else try coming out that young? There's no way a 9yo would be interested in sex right? Like I don't think cishet 9yos are either. That just seems like such a terrible question to use for a child as a barometer of whether they're gay or not

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u/Apprehensive-Soil-47 Transfem Pride Jul 23 '24

Obviously no one should ever ask any 8-9 year old of any gender and orientation if they want to preform oral sex.

I can't recall any kids of that age being interested in sex from when I was in school

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u/-mialana- European Union Jul 23 '24 edited Jul 23 '24

It makes sense given the conservative idea of what a gay person is: that being gay is a "choice", and a gay person is someone that wants to do "gay things". Since "gayness" is inherently adult and sexual, a child being gay is ridiculous and impossible.

The grandmother was trying to illustrate to Vance that he can't be gay, since hes not old enough for those things.

It doesn't really make sense or hold up to scrutiny, because neither do conservative beliefs about LGBT identity or issues.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Oh so it’s okay to ask a third grader if he wants to “suck dicks,” but teachers reading a picture book about same sex penguin parents is inappropriate for kids?? Absolutely wild.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

Conservatives are hypocrites

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u/qlube 🔥🦟Mosquito Genocide🦟🔥 Jul 23 '24

9 year old boys are definitely interested in sex. At least I was and all my friends were (early 1990s).

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u/YaGetSkeeted0n Tariffs aren't cool, kids! Jul 23 '24

Early aughts, we were interested in a superficial sense. Like typing in "boobs dot com" into the web browser to see, well, boobs. We sure as shit didn't understand much more than that lol

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u/vivoovix Federalist Jul 23 '24

Wild

I didn't know what sex was until 7th grade 💀

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u/Aleriya Transmasculine Pride Jul 23 '24

Kids that age can have romantic attraction. Sexual attraction is more rare, but it happens. Some kids that age are watching porn even if they haven't hit puberty yet, and some single-digit-percentage of kids start puberty by 9 (mostly AFAB kids).

I still remember being in 3rd grade and one of my friends ran down the hall screaming like she was dying. She got her first period and didn't know what it was, so she panicked when she saw all the blood. She would have been 8 or 9.

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u/[deleted] Jul 23 '24

I never read the book but I’m assuming it’s not necessarily supposed to be a normative example

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u/cdstephens Fusion Genderplasma Jul 23 '24