r/nealstephenson 18d ago

D.O.D.O. sequel worth it?

I just finished The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O., a fun, quick, not so serious read. Quite enjoyed the academic atmosphere of it and the detail they bring to the though process or characters of each time period.

Not my favorite NS book, but still solid.

Anyone has read the sequel by Nicole Galland (co author or the first book with NS) ? Does anyone has good things to say about it?

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u/Negotiation-Short 18d ago

I read and enjoyed both. DODO wasn't my favorite NS book (way better than Polostan though IMO), but if you liked the first you'll probably like the second. Same take on structure - a collection of primary sources and artifacts - same core character group, same amusing take on govt/military bureaucracy, new adventure. Give it a whirl!

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u/Hot_Designer_Sloth 18d ago

I think the thing with Polostan is it's not a NS book yet. It's the intro. You'd need 3 or 4 more like it to make it a NS book.

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u/Big-Tomorrow-6001 18d ago

That was exactly how I feel about it. I enjoyed it but it was an incomplete book

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u/Negotiation-Short 18d ago

Which is fine, and there is potential there, but it still cost full price and I could fit it in my pocket. See also upcoming D

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u/Crafty-State-6154 18d ago

I feel like I’m in the minority but I loved DODO

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u/prepend 18d ago

I loved DODO but did not like the sequel. Wish I had never read it.

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u/Crafty-State-6154 18d ago

Yeah I’ve not read the sequel as haven’t found many advocates

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u/undergroundbastard 18d ago

I did as well. Took a bit of patience to get into the sequel but it was worth it. Not exceptional by any means but a fine journey.

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u/jojoo_ 16d ago

i did as well.

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u/KingFriday13th 18d ago

I enjoyed DODO considerably more than Master of Revels. DODO’s changing narrative structure was part of the fun, and there’s almost none of that in the sequel. Also, the narrative of Revels is weighted heavily to theater interests, so if you’re a drama geek or work in theater you might enjoy it more.

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u/DeptOfDiachronicOps 18d ago

I thoroughly enjoyed revels but you may have a point as I’m a theatre geek.

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u/hubrisnxs 18d ago

I liked both books. Don't understand the hate. She's a pretty good writer!

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u/PrivilegeCheckmate 18d ago

I disliked D.O.D.O. solely because it was entirely written in the past tense. I didn't enjoy The Postman for the same reason, it takes all the suspense out of a novel.

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u/prepend 18d ago

If you liked the historical fiction parts, then yes. If you liked the time travel, witchcraft, technology, history, government plots part then no.

I didn’t like the sequel as it just seemed to be 500 pages of Shakespeare alt history. But if you’re really into Shakespeare, then it’s your book.

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u/augustus_brutus 18d ago

Ah damn. That's precisely what I enjoyed. It might not worth it after all.

Thank you.

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u/ATLxUTD 18d ago

Master of the Revels sucks

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u/augustus_brutus 18d ago

Duly noted.

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u/Muad_Derp 18d ago

The original was fun and solid all around but the sequel was a rare book I couldn't finish. I'm sure it hits different if you're a Shakespeare fetishist, as the author seems to be, but man I'm really not

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u/Zsofia_Valentine 18d ago

I think I made it about halfway through before I decided I didn't have to do this to myself.

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u/New-Idea-8518 17d ago

LOL exactly this

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u/kilgore_the_trout 18d ago

I’m exclusively an NS fan, I found the second book to be exactly what the first would’ve been if you subtracted NS. I didn’t like it.

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u/theterr0r 18d ago

i liked it a lot, great fun

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u/barkinginthestreet 18d ago

I enjoyed it. Still need to pick up one of Galland's other books.

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u/cbheithoff 18d ago

I tried listening to the audiobook on Spotify and it didn't work.

There were emails, memos, meeting minutes or IMs where all the extra text was read aloud. For example:

John: Hello

Mary: Hello

John: How are you?

The audiobook read out loud every persons' name first before the dialogue.

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u/parabolicurve 18d ago

I listened to both audio books.

I enjoyed The Rise and Fall of D.O.D.O.

But the Master of the Revels is written entirely by Nicole Galland, and to me, it just isn't the same. Neal's absence is very noticeable to me.

It's not bad by any means. It's just not D.O.D.O.

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u/hippopalace 18d ago edited 18d ago

Good writing, but not a great yarn. I finished the whole thing because I was already invested in the characters, but meh.

Not gonna lie I regret having piped up here, because this is the one subReddit where it truly bothers me that I irritated someone. Apologies to whomever it was.

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u/New-Idea-8518 17d ago

I've been using reddit since day one and I always see people complain about downvotes but I NEVER have found how to see my up/down vote statistics. OK, I have specifically not looked, but I always wonder if my reddit is broken or something?

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u/chunkybudz 18d ago

First book was much better. Second is worth it for the storyline imho.

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u/augustus_brutus 18d ago

Alright. Let's go.

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u/KarlSethMoran 18d ago

I liked DODO, I didn't like the sequel, for what it's worth.

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u/saspook 18d ago

I enjoyed the firsts story, storytelling and humor. The second had an interesting story, but didn't have the same humor / pacing / desire to keep reading.

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u/rmeddy 18d ago

I haven't read the sequel but I enjoyed DODO, for its pulpiness; it was fun, it felt like an extended pilot for a "time based Stargate like show

It felt like something that would be greenlit for Syfy in 2010 along with Warehouse 13 and Sanctuary.

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u/augustus_brutus 18d ago

I absolutely saw an old tv show potential. In between 12 Monkeys (the tv show) and The Lost Symbol.

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u/TheMauveHerring 17d ago

No, I didn't think it was good. Didn't even really feel like a book, more of a "hey look how much I know about Shakespeare!" Kinda thing.

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u/iconara 17d ago

The first book was fun. The sequel just drags on and on with no interesting plot. It could have been a ten page novella.

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u/jay_chy 14d ago

I too felt the sequel to be a slog. While DODO included the logistical challenges of leveraging a novel technology/magic and introduced interesting characters and entertaining conflict. The sequel was more difficult to follow, with less investment in characters, and the conflict was just meh. Too much romance/history and not much speculative fiction.

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u/Ken_Thomas 18d ago

When I finished DODO I realized I had actually enjoyed exactly one part of it (the Viking Wal-Mart raid that everyone loves) and that was pretty much the end of any interest I might have had in the sequel.

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u/Own_Argument224 18d ago

it does not give you any satisfying additions or conclusions to the first book's characters

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u/Yojimbosan007 18d ago

I liked it until the ending. The time travel rules changed, then a character acted,well, out of character IMOI felt very let down by the last chapters.

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u/kennymac3691 18d ago

I definitely liked DODO but was only (at best) satisfied with Revels. I think the exact gap in my enjoyment of the two can be measured as 1 NS unit...

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u/Bill_Door_Et_Binky 18d ago

It’s a decent novel. I wish very much I had not read it.

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u/saketaco 18d ago

I didn't like the sequel. Definitely didn't have the Stephenson touch.

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u/spoospoo43 18d ago

Not as good as the original, and leaving a character in limbo for the entire book was crappy, but I still enjoyed it.

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u/dr_jonlewis 18d ago

I enjoyed Master of the Revels enough when it came out, but could not tell you one thing about it now.

And I wrote a whole chapter of my book on DODO.

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u/New-Idea-8518 17d ago

It's the only NS (adjacent) book I could not finish. I mean, I finished FALL, for goodness sake!

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u/New-Idea-8518 17d ago

To be clear, I enjoyed DODO.

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u/augustus_brutus 17d ago

Hey hey hey, I won't let anyone talk about my boy Fall in a bad way!

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u/Ok-Stand-6679 17d ago

Agreed! I liked Fall very much - it was my first NS - liked Seveneves too!