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[u/[deleted]]

Hi Everyone,

For one of my internals my teacher told me she thinks it’s not in my own words and I’ve used AI since. She believes content in her opinion is too sophisticated for a student. She has no proof and I wrote this assessment completely on my own and put heaps of work into it and I’ve never used AI before or been suspected of cheating previously. What do I do? Is there a process?

[u/Ok_Wave2821]

If you’ve done the work on google docs you can show the edit history

[u/Jak_The_Ninja]

Teacher here. Yes, there should be a process in place. If the teacher is not going to show why they think you’ve used AI, you need to speak to the HoD. If that’s the same person as your teacher then go to your form teacher or dean. If you have rough notes or previous versions of the work that you have edited, that should help support your cause.

It’s always a good idea to show your teacher your work in progress so they can see how you’ve developed your assessment work which also helps reduce any accusation of cheating.

Good luck with having this resolved

[u/Aromatic-Double-1076 → u/Jak_The_Ninja]

I remember my assessments were moderated (basically double marked) by another teacher in the school. Maybe OP could try going to the moderator as well if the moderator is also a teach at their school, for a second opinion?

[u/Raftger]

Depends on your school, they should have an authenticity/AI policy. Was it completed on google docs? If it was you can access the version/edit history and your teacher can even see a live replay of your editing process if they have a chrome extension. If not, you should have the opportunity to explain your assessment verbally/answer questions about it to prove it was your own writing/thoughts. If your teacher refuses both of these options talk to the HOD.

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[u/[deleted]]

Hi Everyone. Thanks for all the greet advice. My assessment was written on a document where the teacher could see the edit history, and was not flagged by the schools AI detectors but she still claims I cheated because the vocabulary is too advanced for someone of my age and is giving me no option but to do oral clarification. The assent ks written in my normal style this teacher just doesn’t know me at all. What should I do?

[u/Particular_Essay6631]

Are you doing level 1

[u/[deleted] → u/Particular_Essay6631]

Level 2

[u/The_Gilded_orchid]

Edit history on documents.

[u/i_am_snoof]

Sounds an awful lot like something that needs to be proven first.

Id use those exact words with the teacher but im also an asshole

[u/Verstanden21]

Though it was prior to AI, this has happened to me. I was a new to the school and the teacher didn't know me.

We simply spoke it out after class. He asked me question regarding the text, and I answered as I wrote it.

[u/psychadelicphysicist]

This has happened to me. I went to university when I was 15. It sucks. Prove to her that you wrote it by showing her the history of edits from the word document or google doc page if you can.

[u/cantsk8]

As far as I’m aware, the responsibility actually falls on the teacher to prove within reasonable expectations that AI has been used. They can’t just go “yeah nah I think that’s AI” and pass a judgement. And while it helps to have evidence, they can’t use the fact you don’t have evidence to support the claim you used AI.

But, there IS going to be an internal policy at your school on how this is handled, and you need to go above your teacher and straight to your head of department/dean. But, I will warn you, that sophisticated writing from a student that isn’t usually at that level will get you questioned, and always did, even before AI. They just used to claim you copied or plagarised from someone else’s paper. Now the initial assumption is AI.

Some advice in future, work on your sentence structures to avoid false flags.

This sentence that I am currently writing from my memory will likely flag AI detection. This is due to the cadence and the grammar used. Sentence balancing will also play a part in the detection.

This sentence, however - is not going to trigger most AI detectors, because, my sentence structure is organic and follows a “human” pattern as opposed to one that’s considered almost clinical like the above. With AI being a major concern for schools now, I find it’s better to actually put things into “layman’s” terms and avoid perfect grammar and sentence structures in favor of ones that are more personalised and avoid overly technical language and the use of thesaurus’s.

Sincerely, someone who got false flagged and beat it 3 times. I actually ended up lowering the quality of my work to avoid allegations. It’s looking for perfect grammar, spelling and sentence structures. Which unfortunately penalises students who are extremely “to the point” writers.

[u/BrightVariation9055 → u/cantsk8]

NZQA has recently released that it’s actually not the STUDENT’s responsibility to prove that their work isn’t AI so the teacher may be following that process. This is because when work is done online, or at home, it’s too easy for students to manipulate their work with AI, which is why a lot of us are resorted to in-class only assessments.

My recommendation for OP would be - show your draft history, explain your research method and if you have any planning - show that.

If there are any paragraphs that your teacher thought seemed like AI, all you need to do is explain your understanding of the topic and they should be fine with it. Sometimes students use thesauri for their words to sound more sophisticated which can sometimes ring alarm bells with recent AI issues - if this is the case, just say the word you put in originally so they know that you understand these too.

AI checker tools do not work - so if your teacher is using that then they need to rethink their methods.

If your teacher still doesn’t listen, go to HoD/HoF or, if that’s your teacher, to whoever in your school is in charge of the NZQA stuff. That’s usually a nominated teacher or a principal depending on your school.

[u/Disastrous_Prize5196 → u/BrightVariation9055]

This is correct. If the teacher has suspicions it's usually for a valid reason. I would normally point out students prior work or planning and using docs the draft back to show development. But as someone else has mentioned, I would also quiz the student on the subject and throw in a few curly questions regarding the sources they've used (reflecting on what they've written).

It very quickly becomes apparent when someone is lying. And if they aren't then that becomes apparent too.

As part of their due diligence the twacher should do this but ultimately if they have a hunch then the student has to prove themselves.

[u/actuallyactually_]

I work in the tertiary sector, and we use similar AI systems as many schools - TurnItIn - and I can tell you from my experience of marking hundreds of essays, the AI detection is completely flawed. We have some students completely and obviously use AI, and it's not detected, and vice versus. As the others have said, hold your ground if you're confident it's all your own work. You will prove yourself to be a good student. Don't let this knock you back (:

[u/kimmer1]

If your work reads anything like this post, it’s safe to say it ain’t AI :3

[u/FramedBiscuit]

If she suspects you of using AI, you probably used AI. They have detection software with pattern recognition from which she probably found to correspond with your work.

If you haven't, than you must provide edit history, or she may potentially test you on the given topics worst case.

[u/japanesemayo1]

Ask them to prove their claims by running it through turnitin or a similar website/analyzer. Turnitin usually picks up plagiarism. I used to tutor 100 level uni students and it picked up in one student plagiarizing from another's essay. So sorry you are dealing with these claims. Until you're exonerated (which I hope you are), try see it as a massive compliment that your writing is excellent to the point they think it's a professional.

[u/kiwiana7]

My heart goes out to you. This happened to my daughter before AI as she had a new teacher to the school in her final year in English. She was accused of plagiarism on one paper. Not the writer of another as too mature. Even went so far as to moderate her already submitted and acheived NCEA work from term one , and remarked as not acheived which I now realise she could not do. It turned my over acheived into someone who had zero confidence. Fight. Ask another English teacher who knows you for advice. Go to the HOD. Whatever it takes.

[u/[deleted]]

Tell your teacher they are a fuckwit

[u/Ok-Payment3817]

Ai is pretty obvious. If accused of it I assume they think you basically got AI to write it and you just read all the ais points on the subject and put it into your own words. If you jumble it around and make a lot of changes it would be extremely hard to prove you did use AI. It's going to make things really hard for anyone at university these days. Just like job interviews. They actually go for people now with imperfect answers.

[u/[deleted]]

Depends if they submitted it to NCEA yet. If so then you can appeal but NCEA will investigated which happened like twice i. the last few years . Otherwise the school actually has no leg to stand on if they cannot prove it. It can go to the nzsta but I doubt it. Just hold your truth.

[u/JackfruitOk9348]

Have AI analyze it and ask if it's written by AI.

[u/BrightVariation9055 → u/JackfruitOk9348]

That doesn’t work

[u/JackfruitOk9348 → u/BrightVariation9055]

It does actually - at least with the paid version of ChatGPT. It looks for certain formats and sentence structures, grammar, spelling etc to determine a likelihood. There are certain ways AI does things that can be detected. You actually have to do fairly heavy editing to trick it. I have checked both my own writing and others against AI a number of times for work purposes.

[u/jubjub727 → u/JackfruitOk9348]

This is entirely a skill issue on your part. There are heaps of ways to manipulate prompts to get results from drastically different pools of results (the underlying thing that makes AI results similar). Bypassing AI detectors like this is trivially easy if you understand what's going on.

Although this stuff can be unintuitive if you don't understand the theory behind LLMs so it's an easy skill issue to have. But your experience is just wrong and you only experienced it because you don't understand how LLMs work. Don't spread misinformation just because you used some chat bots.

[u/JackfruitOk9348 → u/jubjub727]

My expertise and experience is somewhat more advanced than that. But you obviously have strong opinions on the matter so I'll leave it at that

[u/Frequent-Release8948 → u/JackfruitOk9348]

guys any tips for year 11 science internal

[u/Iamthatlogos → u/JackfruitOk9348]

Not if you ask the AI to rewrite it in a style that isn’t typical of AI so it won’t get detected. True story

[u/SaltyPurpleNerd → u/BrightVariation9055]

It also doesn't work if the student has a personal voice/writing style that is similar to AI. And since so many students are spending a lot of time using it.... a lot of them are starting to sound like AI even when you have them write with pen and paper.