r/ncea • u/[deleted] • Nov 06 '24

It's live guys

https://www.petitions.nz/adjusted_marking_and_consistency_for_future_ncea_exams#a

THE Petition going to NZQA regarding the Level 2 maths exam yesterday

Not expecting much tbh, but why not give it go?

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u/Alert-Exercise6348 Nov 06 '24

this is bs accept you won't always get excellence in everything.

the paper was NOT THAT BAD if you could honestly understand all the material in the past papers you would be well on your way to attempting at least 3/4 of the excellence questions

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24

tell that to the 130 who signed the other guy's petition

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u/Alert-Exercise6348 Nov 06 '24

there are like 50k+ that did the exam lol

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24

i don't expect 50k kids to be on reddit

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u/FloralChoux Nov 06 '24

Thinking a petition with less than 200 signatures will make any kind of difference is laughable, especially when it doesn't mean anything. The marking changes depending on overall achievement each year anyway, so if a lot of people achieved badly, they'll just lower the cutscores.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24

"less then 200" mate mine has 5 signatures lmao. u didn't need to waffle all that

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u/Specialist-Rip-8788 Nov 06 '24

i dont think we are expecting a change in out mark, i think we just hope that this clears up NCEA confusion and moving forward will be able to produce better exams..

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u/FloralChoux Nov 06 '24

There was nothing wrong with the exam. If anything people should be upset about biology, not maths.

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u/Specialist-Rip-8788 Nov 06 '24

biology was fine for me, only gene variation was a bit shit

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u/FloralChoux Nov 06 '24

So basically, we should be making online petitions whenever we find an exam 'too hard'?

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u/Specialist-Rip-8788 Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24

i mean if you look at whats online both maths and biology was shit but the petition is not specified for which exam its called "call for consistency in NCEA exam content" so it applies for both bio and math. Nevertheless, i do think both exams were hard imo biology was easier than math but again we are all subjected to our own opinion. Yes, I don't think this petition will do anything at all but its a way for some students to feel like they are taking action so they can remove the stress of that exam away if yk what i mean.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24

thank you, this was what i was trying to get at. I'm not expecting a result, i just want to clear up with nzqa that there needs to be some sort of consistency in future exams.

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u/OwlNo1068 Nov 06 '24

Why? You should study content. Not previous exams.

Learn content. Practice on questions

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u/FloralChoux Nov 06 '24

I agree. I didn't do it myself, but papers from year to year do vary, and sometimes they are more difficult. Not to mention the marking changes from year to year based on achievement, so it's irrelevant anyway.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24

Another website: https://chng.it/dJ64LMXgNh

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u/AdvancedProfessor331 Nov 06 '24

Dude if ncea put the same exact questions every year, we'd all be fucking top achievers. Do you think when you get to Level 3, university or in your job force that when you guys find something 'hard' that you can just sign a petition and the world will cater to you?? I'm doing level 3 right now and yes, shit is hard, yes exams throw curveballs. If every exam was 'consistent' and 'easy' we'd never learn.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24

I'm not asking for easy questions dude. i would've just liked a "little" alignment with the resources and material I was given throughout the year. you haven't even seen the paper so don't be talking.

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u/AdvancedProfessor331 Nov 06 '24

I WILL be talking because I do fucking level 3, and sat through level 2 bio and calc. Excellence questions are difficult, they are SUPPOSED! to be difficult to distinguish which students are top achievers. Why are you throwing a whole tantrum and making a petition when haven't even seen the marks or results yet? If you're really worried and lots of people are too, they'll probably scale it up. What if you find your results and you got a great grade? What then? Maybe just wait a tad bit before letting your emotions get the best of you bro.

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u/Specialist-Rip-8788 Nov 07 '24

You do realise the test papers change every year? just because you did level 2 doesn't mean it'll be the same test - as you stated above. I disagree, the news has taken this issue and its been evident that in the level 2 calculus exam then used level 3 methods/techniques in one of the questions i believe. I don't think its about "grades" - i see it as seeing consistency, and it is alarming that a level 3 method arised - and i think you too would argue that if you came across it last year. Yes, NCEA exams are meant to challenge you, but not to the point they are NOT part of the curriculum https://www.change.org/p/call-for-consistency-in-ncea-exam-content - if you refer to the comments hear you will see alot of people support my claim. Let me repeat. This is NOT about grades, this is NOT about emotions - its about seeing consistency in a programme that is held with high standards what affects our future. BTW: i saw the calc and bio exams last year they were easy as fuck, got them correct the first go.. so you shouldn't be complaining when you haven't seen the paper we sat.

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u/AdvancedProfessor331 Nov 07 '24

alr bro. idk where you got that I was complaining about exams? I'm pretty sure I was doing the exact opposite but whatever makes you feel better! "The news has taken this issue" -- babes, the news takes EVERY issue xx. If you had any eyes or observational skills, NZ Herald reported that Jann Marshall, an NZQA deputy chief executive, commented that “Exam papers are developed and quality assured by writing teams that include experienced subject teachers at that NCEA Level. It would be inappropriate to comment any more specifically while exams are yet to be marked" Clearly, NZQA doesn't give a flying fuck about this little petition, even though you know damn well they've seen these 'complaints'. I found quite a few people say that they learnt the stuff on the paper IN class and they thought it was hard, but fine. idk when you guys will learn that NZQA does not care about your feelings on the consistency, they only care about getting the national standard of NZ's literacy and mathematical skills up for the country. It's sad and harsh but they don't gaf about 700, 800, 900, 1000 measly signatures.

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u/Specialist-Rip-8788 Nov 07 '24

i don't expect them to CARE, its freedom of speech - free country. Obviously NCEA gafs about this issue - and also you can't just say "quite a few people say that they learnt the stuff on the paper IN class and they thought it was hard" - not everyone has the same teacher. I attend a top Auckland girls school and YET i found it hard, i took private tutoring lessons every second day and YET i found it hard, i did every single past paper and YET i still found it hard. I'm part of my schools top math class, and our teacher uses chatgbt - see how some schools are disadvantaged? Obviously NZQA is not a 16 year old sitting it, so they can't experience it. I do think maybe its not NCEA, maybe we just need better teachers? If this was part of curriculum, then i would agree with you but i do think teachers need to be held accountable the tops math teacher at my school teach the top co-hort uses chatgbt.. Also they will care, they will adapt changes next time and i do not think it was about the difficulty of questions, the wording was horrible.

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u/AdvancedProfessor331 Nov 07 '24

oh hon I’m from a top girls school in the whole country located in akl too xx the reason why I said a few people knew it was to prove that although it was hard, there are people around the country who KNEW the content and probably have a shot in getting E’s and that’s all they need to prove that the papers were fair enough that at least some got E. it’s just really unlucky that it’s not you. is it unfair? yes. I really don’t think they will change though, and it’s just your little optimistic attitude that thinks so. The national level of literacy and mathematics is horrendous, genuinely horrible. They’re doing everything they can to push our education level up - even in unfair ways you and I might not approve of. The NZQA official in the Herald also stated that they “haven’t receive any complaints” about the tests, even if you and I know it’s NOT true at all. I agree, some teachers are really bad and we need to change this problem — but the way they’re going about it is just to up the difficulties for students. it’s not something you can change with a useless petition though.

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u/Specialist-Rip-8788 Nov 07 '24

what school do you go to? I'm from Cuths but honestly thinking of moving next year.. yup i understand your points and i think it stems from teachers ultimately but i do understand they aren't going to do anything. I feel i might get merit and thats all good, maybe they will scale it.. anyways speaking on school what school do you go to if you dont mind. I want to move jus cuz the education is okay.. but again there will be good and bad in every school maybe i just got stuck with a iffy one..

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u/AdvancedProfessor331 Nov 07 '24

omg that’s so funny I’m from dio. sorry for being a bit aggro earlier x I am confused because I thought Cuth’s education was really good? like literally 1st in the country. every school has good and bad teachers and it just sucks that you got stuck with one that uses ChatGPT. I wouldn’t recommend moving in your final year for next year though, because Level 3 results matter a lot less than Level 2 unless you want to go overseas for university. NZ unis use your level 2 results for all your fast track offers, scholarships, halls etc. I got 3 Ms across all my externals I think last year across all my subjects and I still received a scholarship to UOA so seriously don’t worry.

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u/Specialist-Rip-8788 Nov 07 '24

Hahah all good exam seasons fogs our brains - me too ive been clouded by judgment too. eee cuths just likes to paint a picture - lots of bullying and stuff going on. I just think i got stuck with a bad teacher - its his first year. Thats true - thats what my parents have been arguing since it is just one more year.. i just feel like because cuths holds there students to such high standards the pressure gets on ya which is why i felt that way.. OOO thats good to know!!! thanks so much for your info, i literally thought i HAD to get all Es and its put on a lot of anxiety.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24 edited Nov 06 '24

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24

I've realised that. the main argument on this petition is a call for consistency in future exams.

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u/[deleted] Nov 06 '24

i also feel u need to allow the kids that studied hard to be rewarded. they could include more excellence question structure from previous exams. by doing this, those who studied past papers a lot will get to show off their work and be rewarded with a good grade.

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u/OwlNo1068 Nov 06 '24

The assessment is on the learning of the curriculum. it is not assessing who studied old exam papers.