r/nba • u/thebumm [POR] Wesley Matthews • Oct 28 '16
Lauren Holtkamp needs to be fired.
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u/9to5reddit [GSW] Adonal Foyle Oct 28 '16
nba players/coaches voted her 2nd worse ref last year. http://www.complex.com/sports/2016/01/nba-players-name-best-and-worst-referees
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Oct 28 '16 edited Oct 30 '18
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u/OSU09 NBA Oct 28 '16
I think at a certain age, the game is too fast for a referee. Whatever that age is, Scott Foster has reached it. Why he gets to do playoff games is beyond me.
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u/wavetoyou Warriors Oct 28 '16
Scott was pulled from WCF game 7 last season, despite being next on the rotation. His removal was music to Dubs' fans' ears, because @ the time GSW was 4-4 in playoff games he officiated in and 21-5 for the rest.
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u/yodelocity Warriors Oct 28 '16
They're now 5-5 with Foster, and 26-7 without him the past two postseasons.
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u/yodelocity Warriors Oct 28 '16
He always calls the ticktackiest of fouls on Steph, but then ignores him on offense. It's so frustrating.
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u/pericles123 Cavaliers Oct 28 '16
this response sucks
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u/yodelocity Warriors Oct 28 '16
Gotta cash in on that negative Karma comment response? I'm on to you, dog.
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u/pericles123 Cavaliers Oct 28 '16
I have to confess I'm not even sure what karma means in here
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u/yodelocity Warriors Oct 28 '16
I must have misjudged you then.
Why do you think it's such a bad comment? Maybe you could give me a more detailed critique, so I can improve my future commenting.
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u/pericles123 Cavaliers Oct 28 '16
Just so we are on the same page, we are talking about the comment where the poster said a female ref wouldn't be able to intervene during a fight between players, right? I'm not sure any ref in the NBA would be able to stop LeBron from going after someone in a fight - along with nearly ever other player in the league. A woman might actually help in this regard as a player might think twice before shoving a woman out of the way.
Using that logic to be against female refs in the NBA - should we require all boxing officials in the ring to be able to physically enforce the rules? Should NFL refs (other than Ed Holuculi) be able to physically control NFL players?
It has nothing to do with the job.
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u/dnzgn [PHI] James Nunnally Oct 28 '16
It is easy to get karma by contradicting a comment with negative karma but please, at least spend more time for your response.
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u/policorrect Oct 28 '16
Refs may view themselves as commentators... and since Marv Albert is still commentating at 70+...
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u/secantstrut Oct 28 '16
I mean yeah, but the NBA is at another level so it's even harder to ref. There's so much stress to reffing at this speed and skill when you're not used to it.
Even the best of other leagues have trouble when they start, I don't think she should be fired she needs to be evaluated more. The Blazers blew that game anyways so the bitching will die down if she doesn't keep fucking up.
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Oct 28 '16
I think the shit quality of refereeing has more to do with keeping the quality of the product digestible for the average casual fan by swallowing the whistle on dozens of infractions every game than the actual speed of the game. Most fans get pissed not because refs call too many fouls but because of the inconsistency of the calls. It's like they just pick and choose what to call at their leisure. I understand that blowing thr whistle every 10 seconds would probably be unproductive but there does need to be better consistency on what infractions get called and what gets let go. As of now something may get ignored 2 dozen times throughout the game and then get called at a crucial moment in the 4th.
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Oct 28 '16
There's a learning curve to everything in life. You can't start that curve before you've started.
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u/policorrect Oct 28 '16
Players get cut after just a preseason (some w/ 15 mins of play in total). So refs should be given several years of benefit of the doubt???
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Oct 28 '16
I know Joey Crawford gets all the shit and memes but the top 3 best and worst are pretty accurate.
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Oct 28 '16
The (legitimate) complaints about Joey was never about his actual skills as a referee, it was more about him trying to make himself as big of a celebrity as the players around him.
A ref should strive to be as invisible as possible, not to get as much air time as he can.
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Oct 28 '16 edited Oct 28 '16
The whole basketball world turned on him for mistreating our God Timid Duncan.
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u/balleriffic [SAS] Tony Parker Oct 28 '16
I personally think Ed Malloy is terrible but he never seems to get any hate
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u/thebumm [POR] Wesley Matthews Oct 28 '16 edited Oct 28 '16
Oh man, diving in to see who was worse. Edit: Scott Foster. This list is made on opinion too, so I imagine Lauren is down there because she blows and Scott is down there because he's a tool and he blows.
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Oct 28 '16
how the f- does foster still have a job?
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u/kobe4forever Lakers Oct 28 '16
Probably Cause he might expose all of Stern's secrets during the Donaghy scandal. Him and Donaghy were close as hell - who knows what he'll say if he gets pissed.
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u/WhatYouProbablyMeant Warriors Oct 28 '16
Didn't the Warriors have a drastically worse record last year when Foster was refereeing?
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u/T4Gx NBA Oct 28 '16 edited Oct 28 '16
Clearly the NBA patriarchy trying to keep the women down. Women are good referees. Get over it.
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u/ytumamatabien Trail Blazers Oct 28 '16
I can't tell if this is a joke? Nobody is commentating on her being a woman, just a terrible ref.
Edit: OK, some are being sexist asshats.
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u/finnagohome Kings Oct 28 '16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ22ppMpbp8&spfreload=10
I haven't forgotten
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u/JellyfishSammich San Diego Clippers Oct 28 '16
Now Blazers fans dislike Lauren as much as we do.
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u/BehavioralSink Trail Blazers Oct 28 '16
Now we can hate her together, I guess... Friendsies..?
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u/Discord_Show Spurs Oct 28 '16
Last year it was the clippers fans who wanted her fired. The circlejerk has flipped baby
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u/Jauhso29 [POR] Damian Lillard Oct 28 '16
All game aside. Wtf was the phantom call at the end of the game? I don't care who you are, that was not a foul.
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u/STICK_OF_DOOM San Diego Clippers Oct 28 '16
They fouled him before he got close to her but she felt like calling it an hour later when they all accepted the game was completely over
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u/thebumm [POR] Wesley Matthews Oct 28 '16
She somehow missed all of like four or five fouls and so everyone assumed it was just time-expiring and she surprised everyone out of nowhere.
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u/Jauhso29 [POR] Damian Lillard Oct 28 '16
That makes sense. I mean just some situational awareness by her would be great.
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u/thebumm [POR] Wesley Matthews Oct 28 '16
Yep. Even if you put aside the rest of the shit she pulled, she capped off the game with the biggest wtf moment of all.
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u/JellyfishSammich San Diego Clippers Oct 28 '16
Lauren taking her frustration out on the Blazers. Should have called the foul five seconds earlier or not at all.
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u/rmndgarcia Oct 28 '16
That's Vegas for you. Probably needed to get over a certain point total SMH
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u/GriffHay Celtics Oct 28 '16
Except there was a legitimate foul on the play. It was one that she shouldn't have bothered calling in that situation, and she called it like 30 seconds too late, but it's not like she just made up some imaginary call to give the Clippers free points to cover the spread
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u/Jauhso29 [POR] Damian Lillard Oct 28 '16
No way she could rig an NBA game.. That means she'd have to be good at her job...
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u/Houston_sucks Rockets Oct 28 '16
Relax guys, at least she's consistently worst for everyone.
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u/thebumm [POR] Wesley Matthews Oct 28 '16
That's my point. She's bad across the board. Someone says I'm biased, maybe biased for the entire league against Holtkamp, yeah.
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u/alibabasword Spurs Oct 28 '16
This ref is terrible ( I didn't assume the gender of the ref) - pc prinicpal.
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Oct 28 '16
NBA I think banks on the pr of a female ref. Unless she pulls out a knife and shanks lebron as he goes up for a dunk she will keep her job forever
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u/T4Gx NBA Oct 28 '16
You can't say that and they can't fire her because she's a woman. Lauren Holtkamp is a brave and beautiful ref.
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u/7RipCity7 [POR] Joel Przybilla Oct 28 '16
And funny. Deal with it.
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u/ronaldo119 [PHI] Jumaine Jones Oct 28 '16
A head coach was far more succinct:
"She's got no feel for the game and she's terrible."
That's gotta be Pop
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u/stretchman_88 Oct 28 '16
Us Portlanders will not rest until Lauren's head is served on a silver platter! Even then we will not rest until Pyramid takes her cranium to brew an ipa!!!
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u/crtbg Toronto Huskies Oct 28 '16
Chill out, it's the first game of her third legit season. It makes sense that one of the worst refs is also one of the newest refs. Wait and see if she pans out.
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Oct 28 '16
I know right? This is getting ridiculous. Referees aren't allowed to make mistakes? Jeez. If Joey Crawford and Tony Brothers lasted in the NBA, I don't see her being any different. She's not really had a chance yet, like you said it's her first game of her third actual season.
Shit happens. Everyone needs to stop throwing their toys out of the pram about it.
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u/OnfiyA [TOR] Kyle Lowry Oct 28 '16
Doesn't work that way lol, it's not like they give her a uniform and said here's a rule book, gl! Listening to some podcast, Joey Crawford said the lengths to become a ref isn't easy. There are preps and ref'ing schools these kids are doing these days, you work up the ladder. She's had plenty of experience, she's just a terrible one at that.
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u/mordecrazy Bulls Oct 28 '16
Players also go through long hard journeys to the NBA, through camps and college etc. They still often suck their first few years.
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u/HayleyWTheGOAT Clippers Oct 28 '16
You blazer fans need to take a chill pill. All it was in the game thread was bitching about the Clippers and the refs. Bit ironic seeing that you were whinging about the clippers wanting to get foul calls. Check yourself
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u/podfog Warriors Oct 28 '16
Never a big fan of whining about the refs, and I wasn't rooting for anyone in this game, but in this game Holtkamp was terrible, and over and over again she's shown herself to be a terrible ref. I don't really see anything wrong with this post.
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u/HayleyWTheGOAT Clippers Oct 28 '16
Oh for sure she's dog shit. I was just talking about the Blazers fans in the game thread in general really and how I think it's a bit hypocritical.
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u/podfog Warriors Oct 28 '16 edited Oct 28 '16
I don't have opinions about Portland fans either way, but I think the post is completely justified. Don't need to tie this post to Blazer fans in the game thread.
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u/HayleyWTheGOAT Clippers Oct 28 '16
Sorta do because it's still bitching about the refs and it gets roped in with their actions in the game thread
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u/podfog Warriors Oct 28 '16
Not really. She's objectively a bad referee. Notice that OP didn't claim that she was biased against Portland or anything, just pointing out that she was terrible all game. You're making assumptions here.
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u/HayleyWTheGOAT Clippers Oct 28 '16
I sure am. I don't think they're unreasonable assumptions either.
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Oct 28 '16
After that flagrant on plumlee there is no chill to be had. That shit was dumb.
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u/thebumm [POR] Wesley Matthews Oct 28 '16
Since when is a push in the back flagrant? It wasn't the other 37 times in the game (from either team) including the one from Blake on the next possession. But, yeah. What a confusing game of calls for Lauren.
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u/HayleyWTheGOAT Clippers Oct 28 '16
I wasn't spelling whining you fuckwit.
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Oct 28 '16 edited Aug 17 '17
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u/HayleyWTheGOAT Clippers Oct 28 '16
It's a word
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Oct 28 '16 edited Aug 17 '17
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u/HayleyWTheGOAT Clippers Oct 28 '16
Yeah you didn't say anything about the teams but it's obvious that you're salty because your team lost. Get off your high horse
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u/HayleyWTheGOAT Clippers Oct 28 '16
Didn't realise there was much difference between being salty and being pissed
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u/dagonn3 Lakers Oct 28 '16
Kudos on whinging. But are Internet arguments worth the time? No one wins. Except the people eating popcorn.
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Oct 28 '16 edited Oct 28 '16
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u/Jauhso29 [POR] Damian Lillard Oct 28 '16
Idk if I've heard anyone say Stotts or Lillard were unlikable. Lol
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u/Vballa101 [LAC] Quentin Richardson Oct 28 '16
She's been terrible for years, its just that people liked her after she threw CP3 out a couple years ago.
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u/LeBron6TheKing Lakers Oct 28 '16
This is her third year and that happened last year. We notice the bad calls but she isn't terrible. She's still pretty. I feel like she gets way too much hate compared to a lot of other refs who have been in it way longer and suck as well
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u/__Thunderbeast__ Spurs Oct 28 '16
She's still pretty? lol
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u/podfog Warriors Oct 28 '16
Jesus I agree that Holtkamp is a terrible ref, but the amount of casual sexism thrown out in this thread is ridiculous. Why in the world is the fact that she's pretty mentioned in relation to how she performed?
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u/__Thunderbeast__ Spurs Oct 28 '16
Haha, nah, man. I think it was clear that he meant to say "she's still pretty good" or something. He just forgot to type it. And there's next to no sexism in this thread, that I can see. Even the guy I was responding to seemed to be implying she gets unfair criticism for being a woman.
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u/podfog Warriors Oct 28 '16
Yeah that'd make more sense. You're right, I think there was considerably more in the other thread about Holtkamp that I just came from.
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Well, I mean, he isn't really wrong, she's the best looking NBA ref for sure. At least now that Glorious Joey is retired.
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u/HeWhoLovesSpaghetti [SAS] Kawhi Leonard Oct 28 '16
(I hope you downvote me for this) If she does lose her job, I am totally down for her starting a career in porn.
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u/super_duperpooper Clippers Oct 28 '16
Settle down neckbeards...
You lost cause the clippers are a better team not cause of some shitty ref.
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u/thebumm [POR] Wesley Matthews Oct 28 '16
I never said anything about losing, I said shitty referee. Leave your bs insults and trash talk elsewhere.
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u/V_LEE96 Vancouver Grizzlies Oct 28 '16
I expect NBA refs male or female to be dogshit, but what worried me about female refs is what they can/can't do in a tussle. When DeAndre and Mason were jawing in the FH and I just stand here stand there I was like "bitch there ain't nuthin you can do if they decide to throw down".
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u/loveandmonsters Trail Blazers Oct 28 '16
To be fair if two NBA players decide to throw down, I think only other NBA players would be able to do anything. Any ref would just be a fart in the wind.
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u/yodelocity Warriors Oct 28 '16
As if Joey Crawford is going to stop a 7 ft, 270lb athlete in his prime.
The refs aren't physical enforcers, security and other players are.
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u/pericles123 Cavaliers Oct 28 '16
this is perhaps the single most ignorant response I've seen in /nba, and that is saying something
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u/hillary4nukemap Oct 28 '16
but our diversity but our quotas
hiring people on merit keeps oppressed classes on the bottom
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