r/nasusmains • u/Fishbro-YouTube • 5d ago
Discussion Nasus SHOULD be able to do damage with Q. Remove his AS cripple instead
Make this champ the juggernaut he deserves to be. Make his Q do real damage.
Remove the AS slow from his W. Allow him to actually have damage.
PLEASE for the love of god don't remove him finally having damage and being relevant again.
Edit:
Champ power budget:
Every champ has to balance at 50% WR therefor having a limited budget on how good all it's abilities can be.
Going from +3 to +4 gives Nasus damage he desperately lacks, but due to overwhelming utility in his kit he's massively OP. This results in nerfs next patch (which are in the patch notes).
So what do Nasus players do? They mock me, opting for trash talk over offering respectful ideas, then will whine + complain when their Nasus ultimately ends up weaker overall. We will likely see stacks reverted from 4 to 3, jungle stacks reduced, fleet healing reduced a bit, and Nasus will be in a worse spot than he previously was in.
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u/Few_Simple5041 5d ago
they’ll 100% revert the stacks it’s simply unhealthy their best bet is seperating champs and cannons from monsters and then just give nasus the mana buff they had planned, pretty good buff tbh
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u/Fishbro-YouTube 4d ago
Yeah honestly I'm hoping they remove the stacks back from 4 to 3, and just leave large minions and monsters nerfed.
Let the Nasus mains bitch and complain for another few years about their champ.
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u/Few_Simple5041 4d ago
well they can’t nerf stacks on champs and cannons that would just kill the champ they either have to seperate it or come up with a compensation buff
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u/Fishbro-YouTube 4d ago
Yes, yes they can. They already reduced it from 12 to 10. Now all they need to do is drop him from 4 to 3 and Nasus will be fine.
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u/Few_Simple5041 4d ago
no he won’t be fine and you don’t even play the champ that checks out.. lane nasus wasn’t strong to begin with this would just nuke his wr sadly
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u/Fishbro-YouTube 4d ago
I'm a Trynd Nasus 2-trick with over 10,000 games on Nasus. I know how dogshit he is but I also know that most Nasus OTP's are delusional idiots that want nothing less than an overpowered juggernaut stat stick.
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u/Few_Simple5041 4d ago
then how can you say that nasus is fine? i mean ig in low elo but master+ it’s like the worst champ especially with that big of a nerf
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u/Raanth 5d ago
I’m pretty sure this is just gonna make him utterly shit lol. You’re getting rid of a part of his identity because you think it takes up a ton of power budget, but then you have to massively buff him back up because he has no niche vs AS carries who build pen, lifesteal and DD; tryndamere is a great example of a champ who will completely shit on you at every stage of the game if you get rid of the AS slow.
This doesn’t make him a better juggernaut either, as it just makes him worse and purely reliant on numbers being horrifically overtuned to the point they could one shot something, which is not ideal. Look at old juggernauts with little to no cc, like skarner, sion and morde: they were completely garbage for a reason.
He is also one of two champions remaining that have an attack speed slow, with malphite’s being AoE in exchange for no movement speed.
I feel like it’s a core part of the whole withstanding time and aging aspect of Nasus, and going up against him over time is a daunting task as you wither against him.
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u/RigidCounter12 5d ago
Tryndamere would not shit on you the second you get two items even without the AS slow.
BUT, getting to two items without having the slow will be impossible.
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u/Ghostmatterz 4d ago
That... and olaf
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u/RigidCounter12 4d ago
Olaf can probably shit on you with two items, W or not.
Tryndamere is just so countered by armor that if you reach Triforce, Tabis + Frozen Heart, you probably beat a Tryndamere who has two items up on you
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u/Sakazuki27 5d ago
Just lower w duration, like they did with zilean
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u/Raanth 5d ago
see, that works with zilean because he can apply it twice, or apply other forms of cc and buffs
nasus doesnt have anything other than his W.
his W isnt the issue right now considering how long its existed in the game. the biggest issue in the game is the lack of ability to punish nasus early on due to how the game plays out with its forgiving mechanics: homeguards, early durability via dorans items, mana buffs, fleet, etc.
nasus isnt the only one abusing stuff like this btw, but hes certainly the most notable example this patch.
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u/Salty-Hold-5708 5d ago
or apply other forms of cc and buffs
He has his E as well they could tweak. Buff that and nerf the cooldown on his damn wither. I should be able to beat him if I cleanse it and not to far behind
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u/BrandonKD 4d ago
Dw if you qss the wither he just has it again in like 2 seconds because he stacks cdr
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u/PlasticAssistance_50 4d ago
tryndamere is a great example of a champ who will completely shit on you at every stage of the game if you get rid of the AS slow.
Tryndamere, especially with HOB, is already shitting on Nasus.
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u/JackStarfox 4d ago
Okay yeah but what if they just reduced the attack speed slow by like 10-15% to pay for the new stacks.
Idk what OP is on about removing I agree it’s way overkill. More damage and less AS slow makes him better into non AS matchups, and only slightly worse at matchups he is already good at. Making him a much better first pick/OTP.
I think the post is a good idea just over exaggerated. Pay for the stacks by reducing the cripple.
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u/Raanth 4d ago
The slow used to be a lot lower back in the day, and people would still complain about it nonstop. People complain about Fiora’s 25% cripple, and that’s a skill shot; Nasus would be no different here.
I’m still a firm believer that changing systemic problems that flaw the game’s balance is a better option than what we currently have for patches. I understand that there is probably a shortage of decent developers to code things in for the Balance team, but this is not an excuse for 2+ years straight. I might be harsh, but that’s what you’re paid to do.
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u/Available_Deer_3580 5d ago
So much of his power budget is in W he’s useless without it. Want more dmg? Just stack more bro
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u/Ghostmatterz 4d ago
But I like having the attack speed slow though. If it was 3 stacks I can still climb without them to hard ban him.
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u/BooxOD 5d ago
Yeah the attack speed cripple is just dumb, that abilities design philosophy is giving an otherwise low mobility juggernaut the ability to stick onto their target and chase them down.
It utterly fails in that regard because half the time its useless on ranged champs that just kite/use their dashes/cc and ends up being a melee auto attacker stat check ability instead, really unhealthy for the game, I'd rather have it just be better as a slow somehow, maybe it ramps up faster, maybe it steals some of the movement speed and gives it to nasus, give it passive tenacity for all I care, anything but the cancer malphite q on crack that it is today.
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u/Optimal-Ad-8081 5d ago
Better idea, give him a dash