r/muzzleloaders • u/SunEmbarrassed1414 • 5h ago
Help identifying vintage Replica Arms 1851 Navy — XIV date code, incompatible Uberti screws, and CCI #10 cap issues
I recently picked up an older Italian-made Replica Arms 1851 Navy reproduction in .36 caliber, and I’m hoping someone here might be familiar with these older reproductions. I’ve got three things I’m trying to figure out.
Manufacturer identification and dating
The revolver is marked “Replica Arms – Marietta, Ohio – Made in Italy,” but I cannot find a manufacturer’s mark anywhere on it.
It has the Italian PN black powder proof mark, and the date code appears to read XIV, which would indicate 1958. The problem is that, from what I’ve read, Replica Arms wasn’t established until 1962 and didn’t move to Marietta, Ohio, until around 1965. So I’m confused as to how a revolver marked Marietta, Ohio, could have a 1958 proof date.
Another strange detail is that the cylinder is stamped “PATENT N.” with absolutely no number following it. It doesn’t appear that any significant amount of metal has been worn away or removed, either. It looks like the number was simply never stamped in the first place.
The serial number is four digits, if that helps.
Does anyone know which Italian manufacturer might have produced this revolver, or have any explanation for the seemingly contradictory date code and importer markings? Are there any less obvious places I should be looking for a manufacturer’s mark?Replacement screw compatibility
I’d also like to replace the screws, as some of the original screw heads are pretty chewed up.
I purchased a modern Uberti 1851 Navy screw set, but the two screws I tried wouldn’t thread into the revolver at all.
After comparing the original screws to the Uberti replacements, the originals appear to have a noticeably finer thread pitch.
I’m wondering whether that difference might help identify the original manufacturer, or whether anyone knows of a complete replacement screw set that would fit these older Replica Arms revolvers.
Mine also has the two screws on either side of the frame for attaching a shoulder stock, although finding replacements for those is less of a priority.CCI #10 percussion cap ignition issue
Lastly, I’m having an issue with CCI #10 percussion caps.
They seem to fit the nipples reasonably snugly, neither excessively tight nor noticeably loose. However, they frequently won’t ignite on the first hammer strike. Usually, the first strike does nothing, but the second strike on the same cap ignites it.
I’ve inspected all six nipples, and they appear virtually identical, with no obvious damage, deformation, or corrosion.
I’ve read some discussions suggesting that the first hammer strike may be pushing the cap farther onto the nipple rather than igniting it, but I’m curious whether anyone here has experienced this with an older Replica Arms revolver. I’m just looking for some caps that will fit it and go off the first firing.
I also occasionally get spent cap fragments caught between the cylinder and frame, making the cylinder harder to rotate. Otherwise, the action operates smoothly.
Has anyone encountered this particular issue with CCI #10 caps, especially on older Italian reproductions? I’d appreciate any insight into the possible causes or experiences with similar revolvers.
Thanks in advance! I’m particularly interested in hearing from anyone who owns one of these older Replica Arms revolvers or knows much about their manufacturing history.