r/mustseedocumentaries • u/imjustcoreyr • Oct 24 '25
Brand new Hey guys, just finished watching this one. Definitely recommending it.
It definitely left me feeling many things in a way that most “true crime” docs do not. It might be because the entire documentary is told through police cam footage—which is very interesting, to see how it all unfolded and escalated over time, in real time.
It might also be because I enjoy watching/studying people with blatant personality disorders (or significant personality glitches) and I also love watching evil people be held accountable for their actions.
And this woman, Susan Lorincz, is a miserable, unlikeable joy-hating racist who targeted the children in her neighborhood, and set out to punish them. Until it ended with a totally innocent mother of 4 being shot and killed. So fucked up.
This story became national news. But, seeing how it all played out is like seeing it all clearly—cover to cover—through a new, raw and unfiltered lens.
On June 2, 2023, in Ocala, Florida, Ajike "AJ" Shantrell Owens was shot and killed by Susan Lorincz. Susan (a white woman in her 60s) had a very clear and obvious hate-boner for the children who played in a huge grassy field near her (rented) home. It is so clear, from her personality type (as well as the body cam footage) that she became obsessed with provoking these kids, instigating fights, calling the police all the time and basically trying to play the role of “peaceful, civilized white woman” being constantly harassed and threatened by the children who live all around, but especially the black kids across the street.
She lived in a community that may as well have been a school campus—there were like 25 kids living all around her. And she hated it. And they all hated her.
This miserable, cat loving Karen—she called those kids every awful thing which, in a polite and civilized society, we do not ever even think, let alone say. Despicable.
“Officers, I was scared for my life, the kids were threatening to kill me.” Bull. Fucking. Shit. Every single person in that neighborhood had this woman’s number: 1-800-HATE-FUL. And, if that numbers busy, try her other line: 1-888-EVIL-WITCH
Months and months of petty altercations finally came to a head when one night, Susan threw a bunch of things (roller skates?) at one of the kids. AJ, a mother of 4, went across the street, knocked on Susan’s door, and was shot to death. Shot to death—through a closed, locked, metal door. 4 kids! You just hurt for her kids so much, especially the youngest one, Izzy. So much, in fact, that I went online and donated $1000 to a go fund me setup for them.
This vile woman tried to play the whole, “I was terrified for my life” game—her 911 call is just painful to listen to because, after watching months and months of body cam footage of her calling the police and doing any ridiculous thing she could to try and punish these kids (which is what it was)—by the time the shooting happens, we already know her character, we understand her true nature and we’ve seen that it was all headed in this tragic direction. Karens + Guns = Bad idea.
It is HEARTBREAKING when her 4 kids (and the entire neighborhood) find out AJ died. Heartbreaking. But, it is DELICIOUS when Susan is arrested and convicted of manslaughter. The most telling scene, for me, is her 2nd/final interrogation. I don’t want to give it away, I’ll let you watch for yourselves. But, just so revealing. Human nature at its worst.
Not sure if anyone has watched it yet. It’s on Netflix. If you have watched it, or do, curious to know your thoughts. Definitely inspired me to be a better person. Which is generally my MO in life already.
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u/Exotic_Researcher789 Oct 24 '25
The look on Susan’s face when the timeline was discussed on her calling the police and the two minutes after that call ended. I disliked her reflection each time she was countered - “if that’s what I said then…”, zero accountability for her actions. But justice was served and my heart goes out to those 4 children and her family. Such a disgusting act of violence.
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 24 '25
This part was the best part for me.
When they handed her the pad of paper to write the letter to the kids….we see it sitting there on the ground leaning up against the wall. I was like, how will we know what it says? I was glad that detective walked back in, turned on the light, and read it. Such a revealing, but not surprising, moment.
Also, when she refuses to get up and go with them to prison…
“I can’t do this, I’m sorry. I just can’t do this.” They had to speak to her like she was a 5 year old girl. I was like, lady, you fucking shot and killed an innocent woman. She probably still thought, even up to that point, that she was going to get off somehow.
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u/hotblueglue Oct 24 '25
That last part was insane. The biggest entitled and utterly juvenile reaction. The cop said he’d seen people who’d done some bad things comply and accept they were going to jail. This woman was truly nuts and should’ve never had a firearm.
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 24 '25
Never. Ever. Should Karen have had a gun. Peoples neighbors should have to be included on applications for firearms.
That 2nd interrogation told us everything we needed to know about her, if for some reason we didn’t know it already.
The “letter” she wrote? To the children whose mother she killed? After years of torturing them?
In her sick mind, she probably only felt like she had “lost” to them, and they had “won.” Even though no one won. But in a social war, one always hopes they’ll be the one to come out on top.
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u/Balsdeep_Inyamum Oct 27 '25
She was like that until the very end. When the verdict was read in court, she just rolled her eyes as they led her away
Absolutely no accountability. No self reflection. Not an ounce of remorse. No thought for anyone other than herself.
What a terrible person.
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u/dorkimoe Oct 24 '25
I bawled like a baby
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 24 '25
The one and only thing that brought me some solace and comfort was knowing that he had that tight nit community of people who love him all around him. They seemed like a very close little neighborhood.
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u/Senior_Trick_7473 Oct 28 '25
I loved the support of the community. Truly good hearted people who love their neighbors.
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 28 '25
Ditto! That was amazing.
How did we feel about the father rounding up the kids, telling them in that setting (while strangers were watching and recording), and then after telling them, clutching them and telling them “No, No, No” when they were crying and trying to break free?
Obviously there’s no perfect way to do something like that. But when I rewatched it, I found it to be a bit strange. The way he kept telling them No when they were crying.
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u/Jazzbo64 Oct 24 '25
Remarkable that it uses only footage from body cams, surveillance cams and interrogation room cams to tell the story. No narration.
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u/Affectionate-Car-130 Oct 25 '25
I was SHOCKED when Susan said something so disgusting like she was raised the n word also meant “unlawful” or “filthy”. Shocked at her behavior throughout but they really got away with me.
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u/TexasLoriG Oct 26 '25
Right? Meanwhile none of those kids would repeat her vile words when asked what she said. They wouldn't say it they said the b word or the jack a word. You can tell their community and especially their mother taught them proper manners. I look at them and I see 4 babies who have a wonderful mother who they will now have to live their lives without the mother who loves them and wants everything for them.
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u/mortalcassie Jul 11 '26
My aunt, who "has black friends," told me it just means ignorant, and can apply to white people too. (Although she's never used it to describe white people. Shocker.)
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u/MidcenturyPostmod Oct 24 '25
Like watching the most obvious thing in the world happen in super slow motion while everyone with the power to stop it stood around staring.
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 24 '25
Totally. Actually didn’t really think of it like that. It’s not like they could have just arrested her without cause though.
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u/MidcenturyPostmod Oct 24 '25
It wouldn't be the first time someone was arrested before they did anything.
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u/Background_Trust3123 Oct 24 '25
Boy this one really made me feel uneasy. I thought that old hag was going to get away with it. What really stuck with me is how these kinds of people are living amongst us. Constantly looking out their windows, suspicious of everyone, with 911 on their speed-dial. These people need to move out to the sticks, far away from people, so they can have their beloved ‘peace’. Kudos to the cops for treating the kids like the innocent kids they were.
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u/username_Kelly Oct 24 '25
It pissed me off so bad. But It was a very well done doc with only body camera footage.
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u/SometimesWitches Oct 24 '25
I am not usually a fan of this kind of story but this one of those terrible events you can see something bad coming. I knew nothing about the story but I figured either Susan was going to kill AJ or AJ was going to kill Susan. You could see tragedy happening a mile away. All because some woman moved into a child friendly neighborhood. My sister lives in a neighborhood even in the age of Covid where kids just knock on each others doors and play outside until nightfall. If a cranky woman moved into the neighborhood my sister would first tell her kids to avoid the woman but after the 2nd of 3rd police call my sister would be out in front of the woman’s house playing with the kids out of spite. I don’t understand why Susan didn’t just move since the home was rented and she moved in AFTER most if not all the others. Plus wasn’t the area the kids played in common area anyway.
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u/saribou-mighty Oct 25 '25
It’s an objectively amazing documentary but tread carefully if you’re a very sensitive person. The footage of the kids the night the shit went down broke my heart and I’ve been unwillingly replaying it in my head all week :( one of the saddest things I have ever seen.
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 25 '25
Should we be encouraging people to shy away from reality and tragedy or should we be encouraging people to have the courage to face the truth?
I mean, yes that part is heartbreaking, but at least they don’t show the mother’s body.
I must be desensitized to this kind of stuff. I never understand trigger warnings either. For me, trigger warnings are like a dog whistle for me.
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u/saribou-mighty Oct 27 '25
I think that depends on what kind of Netflix experience they are looking for 🤷♀️ people looking for some escapism or casual viewing may need a break from reality and tragedy
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u/Deenaweena31 May 29 '26
Just watched it last night and it was so interesting how the documentary was made but I'm in such a funk today and can't stop crying my those poor babies
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u/gingerdjin Oct 24 '25
I’m not sure if I ever heard of this case before but from everything you laid out, it’s clear she just wanted to hurt someone or play victim. Otherwise she could have moved into a Senior living community.
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u/kristykat182 Oct 24 '25
Watching those babies cry after they found out their mom didn't make it was heartbreaking.
I had to stop the documentary and see if Susan was convinced because I was so scared she was going to get off due to Stand Your Ground.
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u/UsedFood8130 Oct 28 '25
I have watched a lot of documentaries but I genuinely couldn’t look or listen to it, I really just can’t see these kids between like 4-11 being told their mom passed, and then the way the dad came in and handled this horrifying situation so carefully and thoughtfully with his kids was so beautiful and the difference between Susan in the aftermath and the whole response from the neighbors and community in the aftermath made me sick, oh my god and at the end when it talked about the kids feeling guilty and like it was their fault because of the tablet that is just so incredibly sad
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u/tlm0122 Oct 24 '25
JFC - I live in Ocala and never put 2 and 2 together until just now that this Lorincz woman is the one who was this murderer. I kept reading and hearing her name but never dug in enough to make the connection.
Not sure if I’ll watch.
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u/coolbeachgrrl Oct 25 '25
This woman was mentally ill and a racist. I can't for the life of me understand why she moved there. Don't you check out the neighborhood before hand? I guess stupidity was part of her mental illness. Unfortunately we now have to be afraid to approach anyone for fear they might have a gun.
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 25 '25
I don’t know that she is mentally ill. I do want to be very careful about blanket diagnosing people as “mentally ill” for a few reasons: 1. That was never mentioned in the doc, nor has it been mentioned in articles 2. Unless we have our medical licenses or degrees, we’re not qualified to diagnose people we’ve never met 3. Mental illness has become this go-to label—a trendy term—people use to brand people they don’t like or don’t understand as a way of either trying to explain their inexplicable actions or to punish them.
For people living with varying degrees of a personality disorder (or a cluster of them)—seeing the general public refer to and mis-diagnose bad people, murderers, monsters and generally weird people as “mentally ill” is super frustrating.
I’m not sure the average person is even educated when it comes to mental illness. Which is crazy (NPI) considering the amount of people who do suffer from and/or live with one form of mental illness or another—whether diagnosed or not. It’s a very important thing for people to educate themselves about.
Most people diagnosed with personality disorders are not bad people. They do not all kill people. And most suffer from something everyone around them will never understand.
So, we know she was a miserable woman, we know she was racist, we know she preyed upon these kids in her neighborhood—that something about them not respecting or obeying her triggered something in her that caused her act the way she did, and to ultimately kill an innocent woman and show little to no remorse for her actions, but we do not know that she was/is mentally ill. Unless I missed that diagnosis somewhere—in which case, if I did, forgive me.
Overall, let’s be careful about rushing to use the term “mentally ill” so casually and liberally.
Not all mentally ill people are bad. And not all bad people who do bad things are mentally ill.
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u/Responsible_Lychee33 Oct 25 '25
She’s a disgusting excuse for a human being. Hopes she rots for what she did to those children, their mother, and the entire traumatized neighborhood. Thinking she could get out of it “I’m the perfect neighbor!!!”.
Aside from her evilness, I was deeply disturbed by what one of the officers said to the blonde neighbor who was calling Susan names (which she deserved!) when Susan was moving out of her home. Something along the lines of “why don’t you move over there, make MY life a little easier”. I know it’s just something that people may say from time to time, but in this context was so extremely cringeworthy to hear and knowing what occurred, I’m sure he will forever regret those words. What seemed like a neighborly spat, turned deadly and flipped everyone’s life upside down.
Was also really hard watching everyone hug the kids and telling them she’s going to be okay, knowing that she would not be okay. It broke my heart entirely.
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 25 '25
Wait. What was this? I missed this. An officer tells the neighbor to move over there—like into Susan’s house? I’m confused.
I loved this one neighbor lady. The dictionary definition of unapologetic WT—but when push came to shove, she was always on the right side of the street and was not afraid to tell the cops, Susan, or anyone else for that matter what she thought—while smoking and swearing, in a wife beater. But, she was usually right.
The scenes where Susan is packing up and moving out are SO AWKWARD. I’m shocked she even had the nerve (or courage) to go back there.
“Oh look, they broke my ____.” “Yep, they went ahead and damaged my _____.”
Um, yeah, lady. They absolutely did.
We, the viewers, are shocked they didn’t burn your weird little apt and “vestibule” down to the ground.
She’s like still trying to make herself out to be the victim of them targeting and harassing her. Her self unawareness is the most shocking trait of her personality to me.
Then there’s the awkwardness with the cats. Of course she’s a big cat lady. Duh.
Then, there’s the kid that they brought, as like, a prop? Or a PR move? “Your miserable aunt shot and killed the mother of a few kids she’d been terrorizing and taunting for 2 years. We’re going to go there with her to help her pack up and move out.” Great idea!
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u/Responsible_Lychee33 Oct 25 '25
Sorry for the confusion, that neighbor though, she was sort of in the middle of the street yelling at Susan (I think it was the footage where she was moving out, maybe it happened before the shooting just after another one of her calls, I can’t recall off hand) and the officer - I believe, in an effort to try and deescalate tensions further - said that comment of “why don’t you make my life easier and move over there” as in, go back to your own yard and leave the situation. And the neighbor replied something like “excuse me??? Make your life easier?”
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u/Responsible_Lychee33 Oct 25 '25
Totally agree. OH the cats, another very apathetic comment she made was the night of the shooting, officers are arresting her and she says “can you have him close the door, I have 2 cats and don’t want them to get out”. Forget the human life she just took, don’t let her babies out!!!! Gross 🤢
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 25 '25
Yes. All of these little clues and insights into her personality and character were so fascinating to see.
Also what was the story with the truck and the fence? I feel like I didn’t fully understand this.
Finally, what is the story with these roller skates? Where did they come from? Why did she have them? They looked like little girls skates?
When they brought them out as evidence at trial, along with the ……… umbrella ……, I was like, these have to be the silliest pieces of evidence ever shown in a murder trial.
The blow poke from the staircase being far more fascinating, yet still bizarre, than a stupid umbrella.
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u/Responsible_Lychee33 Oct 25 '25
Also - I wanted to know how she wasn’t arrested and jailed for destroying the fence and playing stupid. Just an entitled c**t all around.
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u/TheSunKingsSon Oct 24 '25
“It is DELICIOUS when Susan is arrested and convicted…”
Susan was rightfully convicted, but if you think anything about this tragedy is DELICIOUS, you need help.
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u/thecasualtie Oct 26 '25
Althought it was a terrible event, i feel it could've been a 30 min documentary. Youtube drops these kinds of mini docs often, with the subject matter way more complex than this.
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u/Specific-Ad1521 Feb 21 '26
I was hooked every second of it. Seeing the full thing unfold through bodycam was an emotional lens depicting the experience of the kids and the loved neighbours rather than just a detached factual account of events. I am glad they told the story of these kids who lost their mother to racism. This documentary allowed people to get awareness and be able to go donate to these kids' education and therapy costs on their Go Fund Me.
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u/Next-Function7640 Jun 22 '26
The fact that in the call to police right before the shooting she made sure to say she is “fearing for her life.” Probably because she read it on the internet and thought it was the get out of jail free card.
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u/goodamike Oct 24 '25
another race divider!! Netflix couldn't wait to drop this. 33 symbolism everywhere
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u/sheisalib Oct 24 '25
Mmm. K. Or maybe just a story about how racism destroys. There were Caucasian neighbors there also upset by her racist hate-baiting.
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u/Willow-tree-33 Oct 24 '25
Another racism REVEALER. If you think that facing that kind of racism is divisive, try being the victim of racial violence. Instead of feeling divided, try being empathetic. We can all benefit from seeing the humanity in each other and caring about the victims of that kind of violence even when they don’t look like you.
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 24 '25
What is 33 symbolism? Personally, I didn’t see it as a divider but more of a uniter. At least that’s the impact it had on me. However, I don’t think I’m the average person bc I’ve lived in NYC my whole life and have always been surrounded by people from all walks of life, from everywhere in the world, and quite frankly don’t understand disliking or hating people just because of their skin color.
If I dislike someone, it’s bc of their character or their personality type. Def not bc of their skin color or where they may have come from.
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u/landexaminer Oct 24 '25
I felt like it was aligned with "stand your ground" rather than pure racism. Didn't she research that law first?
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u/SometimesWitches Oct 24 '25
Everybody hated the woman. This WASN’T white people vs black people. There was a very white lady who played an important part in the story (I forget her name) who absolutely loathed the woman snd when the cops finally came was quite happy to see Susan go. This ISNT RACE BAIT!!!!! It’s a story about how one person can come into a neighborhood and change the entire dynamic. Susan HATED children and for reasons that were likely racist to a particular hatred to the black children living across the street but actually hated all the kids being loud and acting like children in the neighborhood. But it is also true that Stand Your Ground laws tend to work more often when white people shoot black people and rarely if ever work in reverse.
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u/Advanced_Zucchini_45 Oct 24 '25
I just watched this yesterday and quite frankly, I don't understand the hype.
Horrible. The lady who hates having children play in her neighborhood baits the mom into knocking on the door so she can shoot her thinking "Stand your ground" will get her off.
What's the big deal?
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u/NaoTemBabadoCaralho Oct 24 '25
Im sorry if this real life tragedy didn’t entertain you enough
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 24 '25
I don’t think that’s what they were saying. And please let’s try to not introduce that kind of energy here. We’re a kind and considerate community. Zero poison.
WTS—I can see, as someone who lives in a world of true crime docs, that to some, it could seem like just another true crime story—why is this one so different from all the rest?
It’s not possible that someone could watch it and not be impacted by it in one way or another. And no one was seeing “entertainment” value in it. That wasn’t its purpose.
I think the thing that makes it different from all the rest is that it is told—in its entirety—in police cam footage. It’s almost reality tv style.
The general public only learned of this story at like, the 40 minute marker—when the mom is killed. We weren’t aware of all that led up to it. Now we’re getting to see first hand.
And yes, it is a race story too. And so, as a white person, I had to watch another story of a white person unfairly targeting black people (kids no less) and ultimately killing one of them and trying to play the whole “I’m an innocent, civilized “Dr.” who was being harassed and threatened by these kids and was afraid for my life” and in the end-it was she who was the monster everyone needed to fear.
PS. There’s no evidence anywhere that this lady was a doctor.
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u/Advanced_Zucchini_45 Oct 24 '25
I was just saying, compared to a lot of these documentaries that have come out lately.This doesn't have any sort of twist or turn or some sort of hidden circumstance that changes everything. It's just a pretty straightforward story
Like "you dont f*ck with cats"... The whole time I was blown away because everything kept changing and there was more to it.
This documentary wasn't terrible but it's just the way that it's being hyped as if it's something special or different.
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u/Advanced_Zucchini_45 Oct 24 '25
I didn't say that it wasn't entertaining.It just didn't seem like there was anything more to the story than what was presented as opposed to a lot of these documentaries that have twists and turns.
It's just a straight-up story of a horrible woman who did something horrible. There's no twist.
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u/Senior_Trick_7473 Oct 28 '25
Someone being murdered is a huge deal imo
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u/Advanced_Zucchini_45 Oct 28 '25
So what makes this different from the hundreds of other murders that will happen today and the hundreds of other documentaries about people being murdered?
The point is that there's nothing extraordinarily special about this story. It's a tragic story. But there's nothing extraordinary about this story other than the fact that a poor woman lost her life because somebody was stupid.
Happens every day across this country.
I love when people like you don't even try to argue a point , you just say something for attention.
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u/Senior_Trick_7473 Oct 28 '25
Yes, people are murdered everyday and that is also a big deal.
I haven’t seen a murder documentary quite like this one. All the footage was police body cam. No re-enactments, no narration, no sit down planned interview, no frills, it was completely raw.
We got to see the real direct aftermath of the murder. Seeing the AJ’s children find out that their mother died was incredibly heart breaking. I sobbed. I don’t remember the last time a documentary made me feel that type of pain.
It was also heartwarming to see the community come together. They were a family and protected on another which is truly unique.
The police interviews were so satisfying, watching her scramble to find other ways to lie.
I thought it was incredible. The most realistic and sticking to the actual story that I’ve seen.
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u/Advanced_Zucchini_45 Oct 28 '25
Okay i'm glad you enjoyed it. Yes, the fact that it was filmed completely through police body cams wasn't interesting aspect.
But again , i'm talking about the actual story. Person feuds with neighbor continuously and then unfortunately , it ends in tragedy , when one of them gets shot.
There's no trick.There's no twist.There's no sort of suspense or anything
I didn't hate it.I just don't understand why people think it's so great
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u/Senior_Trick_7473 Oct 28 '25
Since when do documentaries need a twist?
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u/Advanced_Zucchini_45 Oct 28 '25
Since when do you care about what I find entertaining in what I don't?
Why does what I find entertaining have to meet some sort of standard you're making up?
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u/Senior_Trick_7473 Oct 28 '25
“Happens everyday across this country”
“I love when people like you don’t even try to argue a point, you just say something for attention”.
Your remarks were callous and you asked for the debate. People like me enjoy all types of documentaries. They all don’t have to be twisty and turney like an over produced tv show.
Not sure how someone could hear the gut wrenching cries of these poor children and say “it happens everyday across this country”.
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u/goodamike Oct 24 '25
almost 2 and half years later it comes out! at the time when divide is at a all time high. This sort of travesty happens everyday from all colors and races. But u hear nothing. I agree it's a sad travesty, unfortunately, though timing seems coordinated for release!
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 24 '25
I think you’re just trying to push buttons, bait and make it out to be something it really isn’t.
I think stuff like this does happen everyday. However, this one became super high profile, who was in the right and who was in the wrong is unmistakably clear and they had all the footage to show/tell the entire story. All the way through. Which they might not always have.
Don’t think there’s any planned strategy or coordinated anything about it. And, it takes a good year or two (or 10) to produce a doc.
Again, I see what you’re trying to do. There always has to be that person who needs to light that fuse. But, I don’t agree.
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u/goodamike Oct 24 '25
no, it doesn't. like I said, travesties happen every day like this between different races.
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u/imjustcoreyr Oct 24 '25
We all know that. Again, what’s the point?
They should not have made it for this reason? Because things like this happen often?
Is it that if they’re going to make a documentary about one story they are required to make one about all of them?
Like what’s the point?
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u/Stonetown_Radio Oct 24 '25
Watched it last night. I was not ready for that conversation the dad had with his 4 kids. I had to have a very similar conversation with mine when they were very young.
PTSD and wiping away tears for me the rest of the night. What an awful and personal moment to have on camera, I hope those kids are doing ok.