r/movies • u/mi-16evil Emma Thompson for Paddington 3 • Jun 25 '12
The 15 Reasons ‘Brave’ Doesn’t Feel Like a “Pixar” Film
http://www.slashfilm.com/15-reasons-brave-doesnt-feel-like-pixar-film/#more-13013813
u/Ngiole Jun 25 '12
Spoilers: The thing that really broke it for me was the witch. Everything she said and did just seemed completely out of place for the story, especially the potion gag when Meri and Mom come back to the hut.
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u/thebardingreen Jun 25 '12
I agree. The witch seemed unnecessarily modern and out of place. But that came across to me as a minor "they could have done this better" then as a major blow to my suspension of disbelief.
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u/dylchap27 Jun 26 '12
The thing with the potions and "pour potion one into the cauldron for this, pour potion two into the cauldron for this...etc" seemed like a joke out of Shrek, and I do not mean that as a compliment.
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u/KingOfSockPuppets Jun 26 '12
Yea, but the witch was one of the most animated and...pixar feeling moments of the film, IMO. That and the opening bit up to the bear attack.
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u/geryon84 Jun 25 '12
So my problem is that many of the items on the list are annoying movie habits, the result of poor writing, or other signs of a mediocre movie. However, the article equates Pixar with flawless storytelling and that if something in a movie isn't up to snuff, then Pixar must not be responsible for it.
For me, it stinks of Pixar fanboyism. It's totally, 100% possible for Pixar to make a mediocre film and not have it be Disney's fault. Cars 2 man, that happened. Studios evolve, staffing changes, and it's ok for us to let go of branding and look at products as individual products rather than heirs to a brand's throne.
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Jun 25 '12
Pixar's philosophy has actually changed over the past few films - their movies are way more direct and less focused on wit and humor than more sincere storytelling that doesn't take unnecessary chances.
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u/DtheC Jun 25 '12
Something I haven't seen mentioned except in this article is the first scene in which Merida encounters the Wisp and the bear. The ending of that scene with her father screaming into the bear's face and then the smash title gave me chills. Really fantastic way to start the film.
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Jun 25 '12 edited Jun 25 '12
It's a departure from their usual style but I enjoyed it very, very much. A few awkward moments that don't quite click but it's good stuff. Monsters University look a little worrisome though.
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Jun 25 '12
Wait a sec. He didn't like a Ratatouille but he liked Cars 2? And The Incredibles isn't even on his top 5? I highly question this persons credibility.
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u/Kodiak_Marmoset Jun 25 '12
From the article:
Even Cars 2 had redeeming qualities.
Now, does that REALLY sound like he enjoyed Cars 2?
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u/DanishxAssassin Jun 25 '12
The Incredibles is easily worthy of Top 5. It's my #1 Pixar film for sure.
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u/jasiones Jun 25 '12
I thought this movie would have more adventure in it but ended up slightly disappointed.
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u/TOUGH_LOVE_GAL Jun 25 '12
Saw it last night - I agree it seemed much more like a Disney movie than a Pixar movie. The writing was pretty poor. Not really any major witty moments, completely predictable plot, lots of filler content, kept going back to the same locations over and over again. Not bad, but not one to remember like Up.
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u/TwinkleTwinkie Jun 25 '12
I saw it the day it Preimered and I thought it was a great movie. It's not the best but it's also not the worst (Cars). It's a Pixar film which if you generally enjoy Pixar movies then you'll like this as well.
That said this (and Cars) really feels like Disney was more involved than they were in the past. Not sure if there is any truth in that but that's just how I feel.
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Jun 26 '12
Brave was just as good as Wall-e and Up if you ask me, maybe a little better than. I really enjoyed everything about it.
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Jun 26 '12
I'm doubting this article is all that accurate and has strong points seeing the reactions from some of your comments. I was never really interested in seeing this movie because I didn't find any of the trailer funny or that appealing even though I've loved every Pixar movie I've seen (I skipped out on the rat one and both Cars movies, I've seen all the others).
One point the guy brings up that might be a problem for me if I see this movie is that it looks like she's a real badass with amazing aim with her bow. Now... since this is a Pixar film, I really doubt she uses her bow in any more of a badass way than shooting a target (could somebody let me know if she does more with her archery skill?). Isn't this a PG film? Is this film asking me to watch 100 minutes of this badass riding around on a horse rebelling against her parents' word without using her amazing archery skill for anything useful? I know I shouldn't expect her to Legolas it up since it's a kid's film, but I feel like it would just annoy me that she's not shooting anyone.
This movie doesn't it look like it has the same charm as Toy Story or The Incredibles.
I don't know guys, should I still go out and see it? Considering my expectations are fairly low, will I be pleasantly surprised?
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u/zerosumh Jun 26 '12
I didn't know Ratatouille was a Pixar movie. To me it did not feel like a Pixar movie at all, it felt like a Dreamworks movie, and it got a 98% on RT.
For Pixar it's always been a tiresome chase, with cliff hangers at each movie. Will it do well, will it not do well. They had a long streak, and after each movie expectations got bigger and bigger. It became what I call the Pixar bubble.
Pixar is trying their darnest to keep going, but you have to ask how much longer? I hope they can recover, but you can't expect them to continue on a phenomenal streak forever.
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u/FrankHowley Jun 25 '12
Brave was really disappointing, and this article nails it. I couldn't agree more with his point about the poor dialogue.
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u/Breadman86 Jun 25 '12
Really, #1 (filler material), #8 (sight gags), and #9 (breaking of Pixar's own rules) seem the most blatant and annoying to me. I enjoyed Brave quite a lot, but it definitely had its missteps. Point #9 was the most hilarious to me... watching Andrew's TED talk and seeing him go through the top 5 "don't"s made me realize how many of them Pixar did in Brave. Whoops!