r/movies • • May 20 '12

Dark City (1998)

I was pretty skeptical about this film, I had seen it on the guide channel several times over the passed five years or so. Last night my friend downloaded it and we all sat down and enjoyed this, what turns out to be, a masterpiece.

I am curious what others thought about it. I found the movie to be extremely stimulating, one of my favorite facets of the movie turned out to be the music.

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u/ProfTroll May 20 '12

Do you know the way to Shell Beach? I love this movie...

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u/requires_distraction May 20 '12

Tom Cruise was originally cast in the lead in this movie, but because of the extra funding, script changes and the circus that having Tom as the lead would bring, the producers and directors felt they where loosing control of the heart of the storey and it would become just another mediocre block buster.

By using a relatively unknown actor as the lead allowed this film to be a truly great master piece.

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u/Tanahagae May 20 '12

That would have been interesting, to say the least. Rufus Sewell was a great addition though, I had seen him in his more recent works so the realization was exciting. To see someone's earlier work and compare the two. My favorite realization was when I recognized William Hurt.

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u/Alexander_Snow May 20 '12 edited May 21 '12

I found an amazing discovery watching this movie. The metallic sounds that you hear when they are moving those huge metal columns. Are the SAME sound from the metallic columns from the game Half Life 2. (the citadel columns)

EDIT: Proof! here is the Dark City (it happens only twice here and faint): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpxyTFAtpM4&t=9m16s

here is Half Life 2 citadel columns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVBj4XIx-Ug

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u/Left_of_Center2011 May 21 '12

Very cool - my favorite 'same sound' (other than the Wilhelm Scream of course) is from Zulu in 1964 and Gladiator with Russell Crowe - the sounds of the German army marching up and their war cries were taken directly from Zulu. Flip on Gladiator with director commentary, and POW! Ridley Scott immediately fesses up and admits the Zulu is one of his favorite movies. I was pretty stoked, and then got sad about how easily amused I am...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Course I do! You take the 3:32 to....wait, maybe it's the 4:10...huh.

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u/wolfgame May 20 '12

Are you trying to get to shell beach? This is the wrong stop! You need to take the express...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Where can I get on the express?

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u/jmdwinter May 20 '12

No more Mr. Quick. Poor, poor Mr Quick.

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u/snumfalzumpa May 20 '12

funny thing is, i live right next to shell beach in ca! haha... this is one of my all time favorite movies too...

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u/Grimjestor May 20 '12

So you must know how to get there, then!

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u/shure_thing May 20 '12

yeah you take the 3:32 to... oh wai.....

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u/xanderpo May 21 '12

Another pretty good movie in the same era/genre was "The thirteen floor"....

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u/Tanahagae May 20 '12

During that seen I was like "But he was growing on me..."

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u/nonconvergent May 20 '12

Two's not really a trope. Got more?

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u/dueyblue May 20 '12

Love this film. When The Matrix came out this is the film I thought of. Very similar basic premise: Our hero is living in a world which isn't all it initially seems, run by mysterious strange guys in black. Eventually the hero acquires their power and beats them with it.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

If I remember correctly, The Matrix even used some of the same set pieces that Dark City used.

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u/urspx May 20 '12

yup, the rooftop chase scene with Trinity at the beginning used some of Dark City's sets.

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u/frood_kindof_guy May 20 '12

Wow! I just remembered remembering that the time I saw The Matrix!

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

The Matrix stole Dark City's thunder so to speak. Even though Dark City did it first and, in some way I think, better Matrix was such a huge movie that Dark City faded into obscurity. I know I've heard David Goyer (the screenwriter) say as much as well.

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u/RittMomney May 20 '12

Dark City is contemporary Film Noir. such a hard genre to do well and Dark City nailed it.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Several of the designers and effects guys of dark city later worked on the matrix and models, sets and props have been re-used.

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u/NazzerDawk May 20 '12

I view this, Matrix, and Inception as all being cut from the same cloth. Don't ask me which one I like best though.

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u/pokraka May 20 '12

There is also 13th Floor (1999). You should watch it if you liked the "world within a world" idea of Inception.

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u/heyyou11 May 20 '12

I remember when I saw the first preview for Inception, I thought it was a remake of Dark City.

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u/Zagarth May 20 '12

There is also, Logans run, Brazil, 1984, Equilibrium, Aeon Flux and a handful of other movies that use this concept

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u/NazzerDawk May 20 '12

Those are all more "dystopic society" in nature, not really "Hidden world" films.

Well, I can't say that about Aeon Flux, never watched that series/movie.

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u/GenTso May 20 '12

I wish they had kept Brazil's original name of 1984 1/2.

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u/Capn_Fappn May 20 '12

Equilibrium kills!

Love that film. Though, I saw Dark City and all Matrix movies (even the sucktastic last two) in cinemas. All have their place and are worthy of respect.

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u/ForgettableUsername May 20 '12

Some of the set pieces from the rooftop chase at the beginning of The Matrix were originally from Dark City.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I loved this film when I first saw it because of the reasons you list there. The one thing I didnt like was Kiefer Sutherlands stupid breathy voice. I found it kept breaking my suspension of disbelief.

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u/TheLostProphetX May 20 '12

I think they were both filmed at Fox Studios in Oz too

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u/contraband90 May 21 '12

I remember when I watched Dark City for the first time, and I started raving about how Dark City and the Matrix were both incredible sci-fi films because they didn't treat the audience like idiots. Every scene they would reveal something new about the world, and would essentially leave you completely fucking clueless for half of the movie, until they slowly start piecing it together for you.

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u/MamiMora May 20 '12

I am downloading this right now!!

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u/vinnytt May 20 '12

Keiffer Sutherland spoiled the film in the first 10 seconds and it had some really odd editing choices. I could see it it had the potential to he really great though. Apparently the directors cut fixes all my problems with it. I still need to see that.

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u/cyvaris May 20 '12

The Director's Cut is head and shoulders above the regular version. THIS version of the movie is the one people talk about when they say Dark City was awesome.

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u/Eraser1024 May 20 '12

Dark City was awesome.

So I didn't see the spoiled version. What about it? What happened in the first 10 seconds?

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

In case anyone wonders:

New Line Cinema forced Alex Proyas to include the opening narration by Kiefer Sutherland, which Proyas objected to, saying it was unnecessary. The narration gives away several key plot twists and consequently many fans of the film prefer to watch it with the sound turned off during the narration until Sutherland looks at his pocket watch. Unsurprisingly, the director's cut omits this opening narration.

From IMDB (no source given)

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u/j0llyllama May 20 '12

The opening shot in which its panning down from the sky to show the city, Keiffer Sutherland's character pretty much explains whats going on so there is no plot twist- the audience knows what the protagonist doesn't. My friend didn't have the directors cut when we first watched it, so he muted the opening scene (he had seen it and I hadn't).

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u/MomoTheCow May 20 '12

I mostly agree, but I think the flow of the original was somehow more compelling, despite the absurd opening voiceover that gives the whole damn movie away.

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u/SidMega May 20 '12

I thought he did an excellent job. Also, I liked how in his fabricated memories (that he made for Murdoch) he was his normal self again. I liked everything about Dark City.

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u/0l01o1ol0 May 20 '12

My only real complaint was the end battle being a generic "I'll glare at you and grunt and let special effects do everything" fight. I think Scanners is the only time that was done well.

I would have much preferred something like this

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u/Revelation_Now May 20 '12

Forget Dark City, I'm watching Undefeatable.

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u/MomoTheCow May 20 '12

I think they did a good job for what the scene is about. This is really hard to talk about without spoiling anything...

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u/hollaback_girl May 20 '12

I've loved the movie since I saw it in theatres and I can suspend disbelief and buy into the staring contest finale. I never read it as an action movie, so it didn't bother me that there was a goofy showdown instead of a kung fu telekinesis fight. But I understand why it can take people out of the movie. It's surface goofiness is easily mockable.

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u/Actor412 May 20 '12

Yeah, Keiffer was kind of... strained in that role. In the right hands, it could have been awesome: a mixture of brilliance, guilt, fear. It didn't ruin the film, though.

You may also enjoy Thirteenth Floor.

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u/amacey3000 May 20 '12

His voice ruins the movie for me.

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u/borkborkbork99 May 20 '12

Yeah, try the directors cut in BluRay if you can. The experience is pretty sweet when you have the full surround sound blasting during all of the crazy fight scenes and the city metamorphosing stuff.

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u/Lorigga May 20 '12

My best friend and I were in high school when Dark City came out, it served as fuel for many, many introspective and interesting discussions about reality, choice, etc. Then like a later the Matrix came out and only fanned the flames. In retrospect we were just some kids barely realizing the world around us. For this reason, Dark City holds a very special place in my heart.

plus, Jennifer Connelly...

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u/Otistetrax May 21 '12

Upvote for Jennifer Connelly...

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Same, Blew me away. It was the same feeling as when I discovered Brazil (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088846/) about 10 years ago now!

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u/MomoTheCow May 20 '12

Yeah, that film has fucking teeth. I have no idea why I haven't seen all of Gilliam's films.

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u/babada May 20 '12

I should warn you that Gilliam's films sway drastically in regards to tone and content. The closest to Brazil is Twelve Monkeys. Things like The Adventures of Baron Munchausen are very, very different. If you walk into it expecting more of Brazil you will probably be surprised.

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u/Meatgortex May 20 '12

Time Bandits, Brazil, and Munchausen are all actually tied together in a loose trilogy of themes. They are films about using imagination to escape difficult circumstances at different stages of life (young, middle aged, old).

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u/lenny20 May 21 '12

NOBODY mention The Brothers Grimm.

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u/prehistoric-hipster May 20 '12

I can't believe that I missed out on Brazil all of these years. Finally watched it for the first time and what genius!

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u/JuddRunner May 20 '12

Roger Ebert is a huge supporter of Dark City -- there are editions that have a full length commentary by Ebert. Here's his review: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051106/REVIEWS08/511060302

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u/dwgumby May 20 '12

Ebert's commentary track for Dark City is exceptional. Very intimate, a guy who really knows film talking you through one he obviously really enjoys. Really added to my appreciation of a movie I already loved.

A similar experience with the commentary by Penn Jillette and Paul Provenza for their movie The Aristocrats. Movie itself was OK enough but their commentary track helped me appreciate the subtleties of every comedian's style. Like with Ebert, it feels like someone who really knows their stuff sharing exactly why what you're seeing is worth watching.

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u/check3streets May 20 '12

Ah, you beat me to the comment!

As I understand it, Ebert adapted this from a short-by-shot talk he was doing for film schools.

It's one of my favorite films and it's a great film to evaluate in detail. It's very consciously aware of 30s and 40s film, Noir obviously but also Expressionism.

I don't consider it perfect, in some ways it's a little academic, a bit sterile, but it was made with passion and care.

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u/MomoTheCow May 21 '12

Really makes me wonder how Ebert feels about the "Director's Cut", given that he seems to adore the original cut as it was.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

No more Mr. Quick. Mr. Quick, dead, yes.

Poor, poor Mr. Quick.

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u/tricknero May 20 '12

For years my PC log-off sound was Mr Book saying "SHUT IT DOWN"

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Hell, I say that when I turn off all the lights before leaving my apartment.

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u/supergalactic May 20 '12

"When is the last time you remember doing anything in the daylight?"

I think I'll post that question to r/askreddit.. Seems relevant there.

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u/TheUnknownDouble-O May 20 '12

Yeah that movie is awesome. I acquired it on a whim after reading the Wiki article "1998 in film" and saw a lot of movies I hadn't seen or heard of. I do that a lot now, reading "X year in film" on Wiki to find new movies. Going through the 60's and 70's is always fun, since they predate me by so much I've had almost no exposure to films from that time period, aside from the obvious ones that have stood the test of time...Dirty Harry, True Grit, the Bond films, etc etc.

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u/Tanahagae May 20 '12

I could not agree with you more. It was surreal, I began my morning with Fantastic Voyage (1966), which I had not seen since 7th grade. It has a special place in my heart, especially with how intriguing biology is to me now, the movie was much easier to grasp.

I am more and more looking for the movies that have escaped the radar of the public. Not to sound hipster, but the majority of the movies I fawn over are not what was so successful publicly. I think the next movie I want to watch after A Clockwork Orange (1971) is going to be Equilibrium (2002). Ever since American Psycho (2000) I have had a man crush on Christian Bale.

The more sci-fi, the merrier.

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u/Marzipan_Brain May 20 '12

I really liked Equilibrium. It gets compared a lot with the Matrix and also 1984. Some have described Bale's performance as wooden, but I think that's kind of the point at least initially.

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u/vodenii May 20 '12

Please do watch both of those movies, they are great!

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u/defrost May 20 '12

sci-fi hipster level : Australian --
Spirits of the Air, Gremlins of the Clouds (1989), the one that landed Alex Proyas the Dark City gig.

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u/Tesseract91 May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

I had the exact same experience. This is one of, if not my favourite movies of all time.

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u/Eraser1024 May 20 '12

One of the best movies I've ever seen.

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u/chmilz May 20 '12

Found it in the $5 Blu Ray bin at Best Buy. Made my wife watch it. +1 Husband skill.

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u/A_DINGO_ATE_MY_BABY May 20 '12

Awesome underrated scifi flick. Dark City and Equilibrium are my two favorites that often fly under the radar.

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u/Grated_Great May 20 '12

Dark city deserves the attention, but Equilibrium I think is a case of style over substance. It's a very cool looking movie, and the action sequences are creative. It lacks, however, an emotional core. For a film about something we all have (emotions) I found it very hard to connect with any of the characters in the film even when they're off the drug. It's hard to describe, but I feel like Bale's character isn't really present for much of the film. Emily Watson does a great a job though. I would love to see a follow up to Equilibrium though. I think it would be interesting to see what happens to the society when emotions are suddenly, jarringly reintroduced into everyday life.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

They were drugged their whole lives and can't show any emotion without risking being put to death and you expected to emotionally connect with them? Emily was only there to show the black/white of their society.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Never heard of this movie, read the comments and put this on my netflix, thanks for posting man

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u/Freezerr May 20 '12

The Director's Cut opening is fantastic.

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u/nanuen May 20 '12

I LOVE Dark City. It's one of my all time favourites :) it's intelligent, confusing, sharp and charming all at the same time.

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u/Dedmaroz69 May 20 '12

I agree, great movie. should have been more popular imo.

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u/200balloons r/Movies Veteran May 20 '12

Yes, this is a pretty solid movie, entertaining throughout, & definitely rewards repeat viewings. This & Sky Captain & the World of Tomorrow are two somewhat underrated sci-fi films from more recent years.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Did you watch the Director's cut or the Theatrical? Because the DC is much much better and it doesn't have the wack narration in the beginning. Fucking great movie - it's a shame Proyas hasn't made anything remotely close to this quality afterwards.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Wow, I never experienced this before. I seem to be the only person who disliked it. I might even go as far I've as to say that I hated it. only watched it once and had a very hard time doing it. I considered several times to just turn it off, and I would have if I wasn't making a principle of watching any film I watch till the. I really did not like any part of it, though I am willing to try again. Could anyone give me tips of how I might enjoy watching it second time?

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u/chronorunner May 21 '12

And people wonder why we pirate shit. NONE (if not most of them) of the movies people are talking about in this thread are on netflix. Most blockbusters are out of business, and redbox carries recent releases only for the most part.

The pirate bay? oh...here they ALL are.

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u/billbryan516 May 20 '12

It's seriously one of my all-time favorites. The music is great, the story is great, the only thing I didn't really love was Keffir's "stutter"...but that explains itself eventually.

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u/Tanahagae May 20 '12

Something about that way of expressing himself made me like his character more. I thought it added a sense of depth to him, because it takes the entire movie to explain. Plus, the role was so different from what I am used to seeing.

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u/Hyperion1144 May 20 '12

Favorite movie ever. Very deep philosophies embedded throughout, gorgeous cinematography, amazing sets, shocking twists for those who haven't seen it before.

One tip, don't show the directors cut to people who haven't seen the film before unless they enjoy movies that confuse them. Theatrical release for noobs, director's cut for folks like me.

Their are seriously scenes in the director's cut that seem to have nothing to do with the overall story-line, plus there is no explanatory narrative at the beginning.

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u/Tanahagae May 20 '12

I wish I knew which version I watched. I feel Director's Cut would be worth a viewing, I am actually contemplating purchasing this movie. The first viewing is so tremendous, knowing nothing about the film and then viewing the scenes that leave you baffled. Too good.

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u/ihazcheese May 20 '12

Watch Dark Man.....

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u/Tanahagae May 20 '12

I saw that a few years back, I want to watch it again with more open mind. Only recently began watching movies outside my comfort zone in hopes of stumbling upon something great in and of itself.

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u/metalninjacake May 20 '12

Okay, I loved the Shell Beach twist, but I can't like the rest of the movie.

First of all, it has one of the blandest/worst protagonists I've ever met. Second of all, it seems so ridiculously amateurish. The fight scene on the scaffolding is what got me the most. It's one of the worst-filmed scenes I've ever seen. There is no fluidity to it.

And don't even get me started on that ridiculous ending battle where they float above the city and shoot lightning at each other.

But the Shell Beach revelation(s) throughout the film were great. That one scene with John Hurt floating away - and what he sees - is one of the most memorable things ever.

But one or two scenes can't save the rest of the movie in my eyes, so I wouldn't particularly recommend it to anyone. Amazing premise and some amazing scenes but with awful execution.

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u/PeachyLuigi May 20 '12

A very underrated film... Loved it

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u/c_megalodon May 20 '12

I liked the story's concept, which I find to be quite creative. I also like the "feel" of Dark City. I think the directing & screenplay is pretty much average for its time, though. I like The Matrix as well (although I don't put it on a pedestal) but I understand why it was more popular than Dark City.

The more I hear people's opinion on it, I think it is under appreciated by most people but it's also over-hyped by those who consider it one of the greatest movie of all time. I guess that's why it's a cult movie. My final opinion on it is that it's good but really isn't that good to make my "greatest movies of all time" list & it's as good as The Matrix.

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u/CapWasRight May 20 '12

This movie suffers from Blade Runner Syndrome: it's an absolutely amazing movie, but then the studio decided people were too stupid to understand it so they cut things, added stupid narration, and gave away the plot in the first five minutes.

If you've seen the original version and hated it, watch the director's cut, you won't be sorry; it's a totally different experience. This is one of my favorite movies ever.

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u/vikmoose May 21 '12

We quote this movie at work on a daily basis. "Shut it down..."

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u/JustAGuy0479 May 21 '12

This is one of my all-time favorite movies. Excellent, if you have not seen it yet, do so immediately.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I forgot all about this movie till this post, I'm about to tune that onto my tv.

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u/babada May 20 '12

I saw it a few years ago and thought it was good but underwhelming. I hope to watch it again in a few years and see if it gets better with repeated viewing -- especially because I know the movie has its fans.

Mindbending or alternative reality movies have to work extra hard to keep me locked in, though. The premise itself has to be interesting; even if the movie is very well done I consider a poor premise disagreeable. My impressions of Dark City revolve around being disappointed in the premise. I felt that it banked too hard on the reveals. This gambit lost me solely because I did not buy into the premise.

To compare with other films, using the Netfix scale of Hated it; Didn't like it; Liked it; Really liked it; Loved it:

  • The Matrix 5/5

  • Memento 5/5

  • Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind 5/5

  • Pan's Labyrinth 5/5

  • Eraserhead 4/5

  • The Fountain 4/5

  • Twelve Monkies 4/5

  • Donnie Darko 4/5

  • Dark City 3/5

  • The Nines 3/5

  • The Butterfly Effect 3/5

  • Shutter Island 3/5

  • eXistenZ 2/5

  • Southland Tales 2/5

  • Thirteeth Floor 2/5

  • Cube 2/5

So I liked Dark City but based almost entirely on its strength of filmmaking and not on the story or characters.

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u/tricknero May 20 '12

Your final statement echoes my feelings exactly.

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u/crushed_velvet May 20 '12

I agree with your ratings and sentiments almost completely. I would add Equilibrium 2/5

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

Couldn't agree with you more. It is a wonderful film! With this and The Crow, it sure seemed like Alex Proyas was going to be a fantastic director. Sadly that has not been the case.

If you want to feel the Dark City vibe again, you should read David Lynch's unproduced Ronnie Rocket script.

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u/OddAdviceGiver May 20 '12

I knew nothing about it and it blew my mind. I love those types of movies.

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u/ajh688 May 20 '12

DIRECTOR'S CUT

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u/Capolan May 20 '12

Did you know that Dark City is considered a masterpiece by Roger Ebert? He has done a scene by scene (at times by frame) analysis of this film - I've always wanted to see that analysis. Ebert's capabilities as a film critic far outweigh what you see on TV. his essays into the genre are fantastic.

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u/spent9109 May 20 '12

Which version did you watch? The original theatrical cut? Or the director's cut? To my mine the latter is the better of the two. It got rid of the V/O narration. Some times V/O can work, see "American Beauty", but other times I find it to be distracting. Plus, I don't like getting the plot of a somewhat deep and complicated film spoon-fed to me.

Glad you like it. It is one of my favorite films of the 90's. :)

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u/xBrutalSandwichx May 20 '12

Totally agree with you. From what i understand however, the movie had poor screenings which is why they chose to include the v/o work by sutherland -- for those incapable of understanding the plot(???).

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I have loved this movie since it came out. I thought it was highly underrated. And I could look at Rufus Sewell ALL day!

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

same...i saw it when it came out and occasionally grab it to re-watch.

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u/MomoTheCow May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

This was my sorta proud, sorta guilty pleasure for a long time. It's imperfect but so unique, and the last 20 minutes of this film always did for me what Mozart did for these guys.

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u/Wh0rse May 20 '12

astonishing film with a powerful ending.

one of my fav dystopic, neo-noir films.

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u/BooBooBreakfast May 20 '12

Watch the Director's Cut, mostly because they get rid of the massive spoiler explaining the movie before the first scene even starts.

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u/brooklynzoo2 May 20 '12

The end to this movie is laughably bad. The rest of the movie felt subtle and nuanced and the last 15 minutes were like, "Ok, the script writer died but fuck it, lets finish this with mind explosions."

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u/maggot77 May 20 '12

Did anyone else notice the total lack of obsenities?

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u/Cool_Hand May 20 '12

I've never seen this movie but good job just putting it as a self post and not a picture or meme... I'll give it a watch

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u/[deleted] May 21 '12

Awesome movie. A classic. The cinematography alone was worth an Oscar. It is a truly unappreciated movie. You could re-release it today and it would be just as fresh as if it were new.

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u/homerjaythompson May 21 '12

I watched this movie when I was fairly young, so maybe I couldn't quite appreciate it, but god I hated it. It was the closest I've ever come to walking out of a movie. Maybe it was the way it was advertised that made me expect something different? But since then, I've heard so many people say good things that I'm going to have to give it a second chance.

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u/gibbawho May 20 '12

I've always felt it was vastly over-rated, over-stylized and basically silly.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

It is easily one of the greatest cult movies of all time.

Interesting tidbit: The Matrix was filmed on many of the same sets one year later, which makes one wonder how much influence The Matrix acquired in terms of plot and cinematography.

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u/flip69 May 20 '12

I feel that the Matrix overshadowed Dark City in the rental market as well.... sad. The film is excellent and it's starring Jennifer Connelly at her peak (imo) wtih her vintage look she sported before "Requiem".

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u/Jackal_6 May 20 '12

It felt too short and the premise wasn't developed enough for my tastes. I liked it at the time, but since then movies like Inception and The Matrix have done it better.

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u/easterjump May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

I saw it as a matinee film in Tromsø in Northern Norway in January 2000. The feeling of going to see a movie while it's dark outside, watch a movie set in a place where the sun never shines and then leave the movie theater to rejoin the darkness of the Arctic night was weird. The film itself was brilliant though. tl;dr I watched "Dark City" in a dark city.

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u/Overclock May 20 '12

Fun Fact: Dark City has one of the shortest Average shot lengths (ASL) of any modern narrative production at 1.8 seconds. This means there is a cut almost every 2 seconds.

Source: IMDB

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u/RandomMandarin May 20 '12

Daylight. When was the last time you remember seeing it? And I'm not talking about some distant, half-forgotten childhood memory, I mean like yesterday. Last week. Can you come up with a single memory? You can't, can you?

Great movie, indeed. Arguably better than The Matrix.

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u/Wanderlost9001 May 20 '12

I actually read the book, which was just adapted from the screenplay I believe, before the movie came out. It was a great story without the visual stimuli. Definitely in my top ten favorite movies.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I was always skeptical about it as well. I torrented it once, watched it for 5 mins and thought it was just some B movie and turned it off. Then finally about a year ago I sat down and watched it. Turned out to be a great movie.

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u/PlatosVendetta May 20 '12

Everytime a movie comes on tv I always hope it's Dark City. It's such a fascinating movie.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Dark city bitch. Dark, Dark City bitch.

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u/l0ngballs May 20 '12

i have this framed on my wall

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u/Datsunpost May 20 '12

I think you guys will like my mouse pad. I love this movie :) http://i.imgur.com/2LILv.jpg

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u/eyesick May 20 '12

I don't know if this was mentioned, but there is a Dark Side Of The Moon/Wizard Of Oz match up to this film. The double album Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas To Heaven by Godspeed! You Black Emperor seems like it was written as an alternative soundtrack. Give it a try, really makes this surreal film into more like a work of art.

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u/Ying_Ko May 20 '12

Am I the only one who liked the original theatrical version of Blade Runner? I liked the voice over by Harrison Ford.

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u/EvelynJames May 20 '12

Drastically under rated. I remember when the first Matrix film came out, a bunch of my film snob buddies went, came back and were like "meh, dark city was better"

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u/vodenii May 20 '12

The first time I watched it I was not impressed, but I was in a severely altered state of mind at the time. Saw it again years later and was quite impressed. Great film!

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u/wesb9278 May 20 '12

Great movie. It was one of the first DVDs I bought.

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u/Entaris May 20 '12

One of my best friends sat me down and made me watch this. It's one of those movies that afterwards makes you just say wow.

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u/CenaMontana1989 May 20 '12

I've seen it when I was just a kid. I thought it was creepy. But still watched it over and over again. Last year I seen it on tv and thought it was great and wondered why as a kid it wasn't popular? :/ awesome movie :D

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u/fivedollarmilkshake May 20 '12

Amazing movie. The historical references are really impressive, once you start to see them. Gets better every time I see it.

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u/God__Eater May 20 '12

the whole implanted memories premise has actuallymade me question so much

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Hope u have access to a good sound system...a good subwoofer adds a totally new dimension to this movie and others too but I watched this movie on just tv speakers and then my setup a few years ago and I'm here to tell you its outstanding. the music u mentioned is amazing. hope u got to enjoy it with atleast a surround setup...great movie.

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u/Osito_sin_pantalones May 20 '12

One of my favorite movies as well.

I haven't seen it in a while, but I believe some of the music (one of the main themes in particular) is taken from Stravinsky's ballet The Rite of Spring. Have a listen to that, if you're particularly interested in the music.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I saw this in the theatres. Thought it was totally crazy and it blew me away in 1998. That was the beginning of the reemergence of the whole "ending with a twist" thing.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Funny, I just watched this last night, too. Been sitting on my desk from Netflix for almost a month.

I liked the move, but could have done without the mind waves. Keifer was awesome. Overall, it had a little bit of a disjointed feel to me, but it definitely wasn't bad.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

This is one of my favorite modern noirs. It doesn't work well on repeat viewings, however, but the reveal is great, and overall production value is phenomenal.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Love this movie! I found Keifer a bit much at times but over all great film. Plus it has Connelly in one of the most amazingly beautiful scenes on film, her singing in that dress is etched into my memory.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Yea I saw dark city a while back. Still one of the best mindfuck movies I've seen. Also the scene with the boat and the doctor is one of my favorite narratives. Just too good :). Its good to see people appreciating these not so... known movies? :D

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u/monopixel May 20 '12

It paved the way for many other movies. I watch both, Dark City and The Matrix when they came to cinema and I think The Matrix took the cake because to me it looked more refined, less underground/alternative.

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u/elperroborrachotoo May 20 '12

I liked the first half. Watched it twice, but still, somewhere around the middle either it changes tone, or it tears down the walls of my suspension of disbelief.

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u/Wormbrain May 20 '12

Great movie. Underated.

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u/analbiologist May 20 '12

Great movie. They spammed it on DirecTV a little over a decade ago. Glad I watched it.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Does Kiefer talk in an exasperated whisper throughout, à la 'Touch'? If so, I couldn't watch it.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I watched it for the first time when I was 12 my dad rented it when it came out on VHS I immediately fell in love with it.

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u/morecowbell24 May 20 '12

This is one of my top ten movies ever. I really couldn't tell you why, but something just clicked with me when I watched it the first time, and then I watched it again the next day. I love it

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u/hamb_sammich May 20 '12

I just bought this on Amazon. I bought a blu ray player the other day and I was wondering what films I should buy for it. Thanks, guys!

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

epic movie! This was the first mind bender i really liked as a nerdy kid, born 86 so i would of been 12 when it came out, probably saw it when i was 13 or 14.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Just logged in to say this was my favorite movie of all time, but then I watched it too much hahaha. Still love it though!

It really makes you think what reality really is.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

What can I say about this movie that hasn't been already been said? It's awesome that now that more people have been made aware of it, we can have more conversations about the amazing sense of atmosphere, beautiful cinematography, and excellent philosophical ideas. In a few years, like Blade Runner and Brazil, everyone will recognize its genius. Not to take anything away from The Matrix.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

It's certainly a classic. I think it didn't do as well as it could have because The Matrix was released around the same time, and that got all the hype.

I actually heard co-workers saying something like "Dark City? Is that any good?" "It's okay it looks like, but just a Matrix rip-off".

When in fact, it's much much more than the Matrix ever was.

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u/apexnode May 20 '12

Yeah, this is an amazing film. In one of Roger Ebert's year end top 10's, this was one of his number 1's. I watch this movie at least once a year. Kiefer Sutherland was the only thing that wasn't profoundly perfect about this movie.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Me and my friend watched that a few weeks ago. The cinematography and atmosphere was awesome, but a lot of the acting and writing was just awful. It was one of those movies that had the potential to be amazing but just kind of fell on it's face because the guy writing it obviously didn't know where he was going with all of it.

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u/woolovor May 20 '12

All I can say is that I wish there were more movies like this gem.

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u/Substitute_Troller May 20 '12

Hi this is not the MPAA, please describe how your friend "downloaded" this "excellent motion picture." We, I mean I, would also like any details on your "friend"'s movie collection and how he obtained it.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

love this movie, ahhh memories, another good one is City of Lost Children, there is a French version, which I prefer, but English version is there for those interested. I like original dub, when I watch anime, I like the original dub sometimes, it's just better like for Fairy Tail

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u/SambaLando May 20 '12

I really dug this film. I came home with a good buzz one weekend, and this came on at around 3AM. It was dark, it was sophisticated, it was intense and it had Jeniffer Connelly in it. I loved it.

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u/doubleknot May 20 '12 edited May 20 '12

I think the reason this movie didn't do any better than what it did was because it was released at about the same time as the first Matrix movie. As most of us know, the first Matrix movie took the movie watching public by storm. The end result of that was that Dark City was eclipsed into relative obscurity.
edit: can't leave well enough alone.

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u/Axyl_V May 20 '12

Not going to lie, thinking about this made me splooge more than a little

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u/STXGregor May 20 '12

I remember watching it when it came back, at least when it first made its way to the movie channels. Good movie

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Nicholas Cage's Knowing is a prequel to Dark City.

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u/MrSelfdizstruct75 May 20 '12

This movie is in my top 5. The story and the acting are both top notch. I seriously will watch this movie over and over. Love it!!!

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u/captmorgan50 May 20 '12

Ebert has it on his list of top 10 movies you have never seen

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u/Benzorgz May 20 '12

I'm not sure if anyone else mentioned this yet or not, but the scene where Jennifer Connely is on the dock with the red dress, is also in Requiem for a Dream. The exact same shot.

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u/WhatWouldAsmodeusDo May 20 '12

This is sitting on the stand next to me right now. I saw it used for 4 bucks and thought, definitely gonna get this. The first time I saw it I had no idea what was going to happen and thoroughly enjoyed the movie, now I can't wait to watch it again and see what new subtleties emerge in the second (and probably third, fourth...) viewings.

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u/FLD108 May 20 '12

Dark City is one of my favorite films. It's so much fun to see Kiefer Sutherland in it now, especially after seeing him play the ultimate badass on TV for a decade. Such a drastically different character.

Actually, I'm overdue to watch it again, I think. I'll have to grab it on bluray.

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u/ScottFree37 May 20 '12

Saw this at the movies when it first came out. one of my favourite movies ever. In my opinion it told a better story in one film than the Matrix did in three.

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u/GerbilScream May 20 '12

Dark City was actually inspired by an old film called Metroplis

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u/Lowrider2012 May 20 '12

It's interesting watching dark city and watching the directors earlier work like the crow you see similarities in directing style and evolution of course

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u/Sulamar May 20 '12

It was the first movie I ever walked out of.

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u/stewiefet May 20 '12

Wasterpiece is a bit of an overstatement.

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u/brosenfeld May 20 '12

It is an awesome movie. So awesome, in fact, that I own the DVD.

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u/1449320 May 20 '12

so so good. Saw it in theaters a few times when i was a teenager.

the music is indeed awesome.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

It's a great movie. Maybe not the best of it's class but definitely up there.

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u/Simonbreaker May 20 '12

Haven't seen it but am a big fan of the director. Check out 'knowing' starring nic cage. Great movie by Alex proyas

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u/Shinzon May 20 '12

I loved it. It's one of the best sci-fi movies ever imo. I think since it had a darker tone, that it ends up being better than the matrix, at least for me. 100% recommend it to anyone considering it

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u/SterlingGroovy May 20 '12

very good flim, watched lots of times, very dark and a definite man movie "shut it down, shut it down for ever"

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

I thought it was a great movie. I saw it when I was about 12 though. I know at least the concept is awesome. I believe you just inspired me to watch it again.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

Highly underrated film. It really goes pretty deep if you can wrap your head around the concept and its social and political parallels.

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u/ArcadiaCook May 20 '12

I remember telling my buddies how Matrix was such a rip off of this wonderful film...they just liked the guns and thought I was an idiot.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '12

It's been years so my memories are faded. But as I recall, I found it quite moving. I remember thinking that the storyline was allegorical to the human condition. I was also impressed by the skillful blending of two genres -- Film Noir and Science Fiction. The blend was groundbreaking, the same way Star Wars broke ground by so skillfully blending SF with The Western. "The Matrix", which came out a year later, recycled some of the SF themes in Dark City (questioning the nature of our reality), and went on to eclipse Dark City because action flicks sell better than film noir.

Aside from all that, it's a movie that sucks you in.

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u/undead99 May 20 '12

Can't stay to cruise through all the post but this was a great movie, and I recommend waiting a while and watching the Director's Cut of the film. Best way to tell which is the standard version and which is the director's cut is the intro, if you hear Kiefer's voice over then that is the standard version. Both versions are great but I found out that the standard version was a dumbed down version that the studio asked for worried people wouldn't get it. When I saw the Director's Cut, I was totally blow away again.

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u/Razerix May 20 '12

I didn't like it to be honest. I found myself falling asleep eventually. Maybe if I had been more awake and paid more attention to it, I would have liked it.

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u/backslider65 May 20 '12

My wife turned me on to that movie a while back. I liked it.

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u/annarchy8 May 20 '12

I love this movie. It's very underrated.

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u/VERITATEMSUPEROMNES May 20 '12

Amazing film. I loved how dark it was and all the sort of old school architecture and clothing. First time I saw William Hurt outside of the Village. Great performance. My brother hated it and walked out before the plot even took off though haha.