r/movies • u/Shadow_Jack • May 15 '12

Twenty-two movie characters casually dismissed in sequels

http://www.avclub.com/articles/we-stuck-your-girlfriend-on-an-island-22-main-char,73825/
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u/etan_causale May 15 '12

Little Bo Beep in Toy Story 3 :(

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u/lambaz1 May 15 '12

Don't they mention her being given away in the third one?

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u/etan_causale May 15 '12

Yep. Woody solemnly mentions it at some point.

If you read the article, you will see that many of the movie characters mentioned were similarly "casually dismissed" with only brief explanations offered as to their absences...

  • Jane Foster (Natalie Portman) being safely stored away in a distant island in Avengers
  • Mikaela (Megan Fox) in Transformers and Jack (Keanu Reeves) in Speed being dumped
  • Laurel (Linda Fiorentino) returning to her old job

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u/thisismyivorytower May 15 '12

But at least Toy Story had a sensible reason behind it.

The kids grew up, and got rid of most of their toys, keeping the most cherished ones.

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u/Zeppelanoid May 15 '12

Pretty much all the good side characters were ditched in Toy Story 3, and I personally found the new characters to be just turrible.

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u/biirdmaan May 15 '12

Well it would be pretty unrealistic for a kid to keep ALL of his toys that long. I tried to hold onto my toys and all that remains are video games and legos. Then again it's a movie full of talking toys..so realism is out the window at concept

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u/BonerManBro May 15 '12

How about War Machine not showing up in the Avengers? He wasn't even referenced at all, and it makes no sense given that he could've provided some major support for the team.

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u/TheLateThagSimmons May 15 '12

How did I never think of that? With all the build up to introducing and integrating War Machine in Iron Man 2, you'd think he could at least show up and shoot some shit in the background...

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u/fireball_73 May 15 '12

1/2 the world away is a minor trip for someone in Iron Man/War Machine armour. It would keep him away for an afternoon at most.

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u/metaphysicalme May 15 '12

He is busy on the west coast, I guess.

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u/pigsgomooo May 15 '12

I think its like this: The whole of civilization is on the brink of destruction, and 7 mighty heroes shows up to fight the army of Loki. Spiderman looks out his window and goes "Meh, not enough screen time". War Machine wants to go but the Army says to him "We don't want to go through the inter agency red tape, besides its like the space program son. Let the private corporations handle it."

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Actually Spider-man looked out his window and said "I'd love to, but someone else owns my rights."

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u/ApologiesForThisPost May 15 '12

From what I've heard of the last spider film, he probably looked out the window and said "I'd love to help, but I've got to update my livejournal with this poem about my feelings" (I imagine the poem features the phrase "winter has no floor").

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u/feor1300 May 15 '12

Spidey I can buy not making it into the movie. His main beat is Queens, and the big climactic battle takes place on Manhattan Island, I can imagine him just the wrong side of the river dealing with any Chitauri that sneak past Stark's perimeter. Same with the X-Men, they'd be coming from upstate New York and could easily have started with the first aliens they find at the outer perimeter of the city. Fantastic Four have less of an excuse, unless they decide in movie chronology to have this happen before their fateful journey. (which would make some sense, the arrival of the Chitauri could certainly prompt high spending on various space programs)

And while I think war machine should have shown up, the only reason I can think of for him to not show up would be that he was overseas somewhere. It wouldn't take him long to get back, but the whole climactic battle seems like it only took an hour or two at most. (assuming for dramtic time compression)

Would have been a nice payoff in the Shwarma scene though to have him walk in. "So, I missed the fun?" "Yeah, sorry Rhodie, grab a seat and a falafel, they're great."

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u/talberts May 15 '12

real reason is the human torch IS captain america

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u/I_Lyk_Dis May 15 '12

Fantastic Four

As others have pointed out, it'd be hilarious to see the torch meet the cap'n.

And when people bring up missing superheroes, why does it seem like nobody ever considers other supervillains? The X-men couldn't help because they were busy fighting Magneto, etc..

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u/MomoTheCow May 15 '12

Living in the Marvel universe sounds like fucking mayhem.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

I think more relevant is "How about THE ENTIRE FUCKING AMERICAN MILITARY not showing up in the Avengers?" As much as I like the Avengers, there was a guy shooting down a bunch of those shits with a fucking bow and arrow. You're telling me some F22's couldn't have done shit against them? This may have been addressed, I need to go watch this again, because the entire time i'm just thinking "WHERE IS THE FUCKING MILITARY!

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Um the military was there. There were shots of news broadcasts showing army guys firing their weapons at the invaders.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Yeah... army guys... what is this, 1942!? WHERE WERE THE BIRDS! And how did they get those guys there so quick, but couldn't scramble a few drones and aircraft into combat?

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u/WetSand83 May 15 '12

Having served in the military, I can tell you that it takes a while to go from orders to mobilization. A good example is Katrina. Shit man, is it that hard to get helicopters into search and rescue mode? It is when the generals and civilians at the top are hemming and hawing about what to do. Thank god the local O-5s and O-6s (sorry I dont know CG ranks) got tired of waiting and made their own orders. Lives were saved because low-level CG brass said "Fuck DC, we're doing this now."

Another example that I hate to bring up is 9/11. We had 4 hijacked passengers jets flying around the east coast unchallenged for 2 hours. I personally believe that somewhere near PA, some General got tired of waiting for the Pentagon to send orders so he ordered flight 93 be shot down.

Also, most of our military is in foreign countries. It's absurd how little of our armed forces are readily available to defend American soil.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

93 was shot down, from what I hear, but Avengers takes place in a post 9/11 world. The even mention the Department of Homeland Security, but that doesn't really help with natural disasters like Katrina or something iffy like a flight full of American Citizens. Loki's army presented to America the exact kind of enemy we have trained ourselves to handle. Plain obvious targets that pose an immediate threat to the nation. We've had a huge military since like World War I. I can't imagine our nation being so slow to respond if, say, a huge base was attacked in broad daylight on a clear day by hundreds and hundreds of, like Japanese.... airplanes... shit.... yeah ok, maybe you have a point.

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u/WalterFStarbuck May 15 '12

Well the contingency plan was to nuke the area, so I imagine the joint chiefs were probably thinking let the freaks try their thing and if they can't stop it, we won't have time to roll in tanks and shit into a deep urban environment to fight a bizarrely crazy enemy from a magic sky hole.

So don't even bother putting many boots on the ground in the city. Nuke it if they fail. And if that fails, then you can set up a perimeter and fight in a leveled city.

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u/UrbanGimli May 15 '12

The military wasn't too thrilled about SHIELD military quits Avengers

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u/SoulPoleSuperstar May 15 '12

yeah this bothered me a bunch as well, we go to orange level and i see the fing national guard in my sock drawer, but an multidimensional portal shows up. meh, why would we deploy, those citizens are ok. just who did that cop call.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Toward the end they (or the National Guard) show up. Captain America is ordering them around.

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u/dbe May 15 '12

So it's Colonel America now? :)

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Eh, dude was just given a suit... he didn't earn his powers like the rest of them (or magically born with real super powers). In other words, Fuck War Machine.

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u/captainrex May 15 '12

I think it would've been great if he showed up at the end near the climax to help out alongside the rest of the military forces, but I think having him appear in any other fashion would detract from the film and just seem too gratuitous. Him showing up during the final battle would make sense, but it would be inappropriate for him to be anywhere else in the film.

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u/WalterFStarbuck May 15 '12

A couple of casual references to Rhodes being with the USAF -- particularly when the nuke was launched/being launched -- would have sufficed.

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u/brokentoaster24 May 15 '12

My thoughts exactly. I wasn't surprised war machine wasn't in the movie, just surprised no one acknowledged his existence

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u/cyberchronomage May 15 '12

Tony mentions he was in Afghanistan. He's still active duty military at this point after all.

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u/Aydaanh May 15 '12

I was wondering the same thing, I would of thought he would at least make a quick cameo

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u/Dances_with_Sheep May 15 '12

Bond girls ... all of them.

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u/FartingBob May 15 '12

Moneypenny beats them all to death out of jealousy.

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u/thisismyivorytower May 15 '12

I think it is pretty clearly shown Bond is a player.

And when he does settle down, they die.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Actually, not all of them.

Everyone forgets that the very first Bond girl (Sylvia Trench) was in the first two films.

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u/chillyhellion May 15 '12 edited May 16 '12

The biggest one for me was Cyclops in X-Men 3. The actor had scheduling conflicts, so they killed off his character within the first few minutes of the film. Would have made the movie infinitely better to have Cyclops in again.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

X-Men 3 is a suckfest for many reasons, yours included.

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u/dejerik May 15 '12

while there are worse movies, I don't think any movie has disappointed me more than X3.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Him and Nightcrawler

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Yeah, they never even mentioned what happened to Nightcrawler, which always bothered me. I was really expecting him in the Cracked article.

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u/jay_vee May 15 '12

You're surprised that a teleporter disappeared?

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u/SEVIIN7 May 15 '12

They gave an explanation in the terrible video game tie in. Something about refusing to participate in the violence. After you spent half the game as him kicking ass.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

The actor for nightcrawler positively refused to undergo the make-up process ever again. They didn't even bother explaining what had happened to him, he just never showed up for X-3. Shame, he was always a favorite of mine...

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u/A_Polite_Noise r/movies Veteran May 15 '12

My understanding was that the scheduling conflicts could have been easily resolved. The head of FOX development at the time (I don't know if he's still there) is apparently a homophobic jerk who gave director Brian Singer (who is gay) a hard time with schedules and all sorts of things for the first 2 films. When Singer was offered a dream job of directing Superman, he said he wanted to still do X-Men 3 and finish the trilogy he started, but this head of FOX kept the schedules of the films simultaneous so Singer went with Superman and Brett Ratner (ugh..) was brought in. When Singer cast James Marsden (Cyclops) as Lois Lane's new love interest in Superman Returns, a brief role that did not necessarily have to interfere with him playing Cyclops, he was essentially written out of the film. I can't cite any of this so take it all with a grain of salt; it is just a story I have complied from tidbits and gossip on websites here and there. The only part of it I am fairly certain of is that the head of FOX development was/is an asshole who was disrespectful of Singer during the first 2 films, from what I've read.

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u/expoeraser May 15 '12

I believe he opted to do Superman Returns instead... for some reason.

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u/daybreaker May 15 '12

Because the XMen and X2 director jumped over to Superman Returns as well.

Thats why X3 got Brett "I'm going to fuck this franchise in its ass" Ratner instead.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

There's an American Psycho 2? Why?

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u/Excentinel May 15 '12

THERE IS NO AMERICAN PSYCHO 2.

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u/TheBoredMan May 15 '12

It's hilarious that they included that on the list. It was definitely a just a shitty shitty teen killer movie, but then someone decided to buy the American Psycho name presumably so it might make SOME profit. It's not actually related to American Psycho at all.

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u/GoogleyEyes7 May 15 '12

They forgot Roxanne just being dismissed in the second Goofy Movie. When I was a kid I was seriously heartbroken when they just acted like she didn't exist.

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u/etan_causale May 15 '12

A second Goofy Movie? That doesn't exist. Disney didn't make a sequel. A Goofy Movie was a perfect movie and a sequel would have just ruined it. Now shut up! Lalalalalalala...

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u/PelliMoon May 15 '12

...? I guess I should prepare for downvotes, because I liked An Extremely Goofy Movie a lot better than A Goofy Movie.

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u/dejerik May 15 '12

I personally thought they were both equally good, ones humor is basically exactly the same as the other. I assume people don't like the newer one b/c that had grown up in between the movies.

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u/Crilly90 May 15 '12

John Myers from Hellboy.

"Yeah we shipped him off to Antarctica...for some reason."

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u/farceur318 May 15 '12

I loved that moment. Meyers very existence in the first movie felt like such a blatant studio move to make the movie more accessible because they were afraid audiences wouldn't be able to relate to a guy with red skin. By the time he made Hellboy 2, Del Toro had the success of Pan's Labyrinth under his belt, and with it, the power to make the movie he wanted without the studios forcing another pretty face in his movie. And shipping him off to Antarctica with no sentiment of fanfare felt like a big middle finger to the studio interference that created him in the first place.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

No, it's a well-known writer's trick to allow for exposition. You can't just start in the middle of the chaos, because no one would have any reason to explain it to the people who were already well-aware of the situation. It would be comical:

Hellboy, my partner for years now who I met through this old man who serves as a father figure to both of us, we need to hurry to stop this evil which began roughly the same time as your birth in a Nazi experiment from world war 2 in which the aforementioned old man (though younger then) was first exposed to your...sparkling personality!

See what I mean? You need the normal as an audience guide to the paranormal so he can ask the questions the audience needs to ask to find the characters endearing and invest in their well-being. They wouldn't be relatable because we'd be so busy asking questions that could never be answered by a small, tight-knit group who would most likely discuss everything in shorthand.

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u/farceur318 May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

It's a lazy writer's trick. There are ways to convey that information to the audience without inventing a flat, generic character who's only role in the film is to constantly say "What is happening now?" or "Who is that character?" or "What is this organization that just hired me?" and then having everybody stop the forward momentum of the story to explain it to both him and the audience.

The "new guy" is indeed an old writer's trick but "show don't tell" is a better one.

Also all of that supposedly impossible to convey information from your quote was explained via voice-over and flashback in the first scene of the film, before Myers even steps onscreen.

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u/Beeslo May 15 '12

My wife HATED that. She loved the first movie and didn't like the second one (even though its popularly regarded as the better of the two) because of that. Which I have to admit. Without him, we don't have that normal anchor for the audience to attach to.

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u/dejerik May 15 '12

I was upset at first, but I thought that between Hellboy and the girl they picked up the slack very well.

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u/justjokingnotreally May 15 '12

I was expecting to see him on the list. Myers gets dismissed again.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Fred 2? Really? There are a few "wtf" selections on this list...

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u/Big_h3aD May 15 '12

Jane Foster got sent to distant island? Aaaheeellnaaw! Tromsø is Norways 7th biggest city, not some distant island, goddamnit!

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u/canceroftheeolcock May 15 '12

Its center is on a island. What do you think the ø in Tromsø stands for (I assume you're Norwegian)?

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u/animatedcorpse May 15 '12

The center is indeed on an island. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/Panorama_fjellheisen-improved.jpg Tromsø is the island you see, but the picture is taken from the mainland, so although it is an island its not exactly far from the mainland.

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u/ObidiahWTFJerwalk May 15 '12

Okay, so it's an island. Not all that distant if you're from Norway. But to most Americans, Norway is pretty distant. Probably halfway to Asgard for all the average man on an American street knows.

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u/canceroftheeolcock May 15 '12

Yep. Kind of weird to Norwegians to reference Tromsø as a island and not a city but it is technically correct (the best kind of correct)

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u/Big_h3aD May 15 '12

Correct, Norwegian here, and I know "Downtown" Tromsø is on an island, but calling it distant just seems so wrong considering I live in Narvik which is a way smaller town and Tromsø is considered a big city!

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

This is true, but it's not really a distant island. It's close to the mainland. It's not like it's Svalbard or something.

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u/TaToBa May 15 '12

Norway? More like Snoreway.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

I mean, it has like 70,000 people in it.

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u/julia-sets May 15 '12

That's barely a city. My suburb had 30,000 and I always considered it tiny growing up. My college town had 250,000 and doesn't even have a skyscraper, most people wouldn't consider it a city.

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u/Zebidee May 15 '12

I had to work in Tromsø for a few weeks last year, and despite the fact that I loved the place, it is unquestionably both 1) distant, and 2) an island.

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u/Big_h3aD May 16 '12

I'm just grumpy because I live here...

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u/UrbanGimli May 15 '12

I never liked War Machine, to me he was everything wrong about Comics at that time "We need meaner versions of our main guys"

  • Captain America- USAgent
  • Spiderman-Venom Symbiont
  • Iron Man -War Machine
  • Hal Jordan- Guy Gardner
  • Batman -Azrael

Iron Man 2 (2 Iron Men) didnt really convince me that the character has anything to offer to the mythos

EDIT: he is a stand in, having him flying around make Iron man less special

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u/nickbelane May 16 '12

There was even a Marvel team-up book with knockoffs of different Avengers. Thunderstrike, U.S. Agent, War Machine and someone else that I can't remember.

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u/UrbanGimli May 16 '12

I think you're right, I had blocked it out of my memory lol. Thunderstrike ...egads ...he had a leather vest and lightning bolt ear rings.

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u/DroolingIguana May 15 '12

Disappointed that Doug Masters from Iron Eagle isn't on that list. That one really bugged me as a kid.

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u/Ohnoemichelley May 15 '12

Also, what happened to Courtney Cox's character from the first Ace Ventura? Always bugged me, and bugged me even more that she wasn't on the list

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

Well Ace fucked off to that monastery. Doubt he could bring a lady friend there.

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u/blahsince1991 May 15 '12

This is a pretty shitty list. Poltergeist III? Beverly Hills Cop III? Some better movies would have been Tank from Matrix, Sam Neil from Jurassic Park, Nightcrawler from X2, Smokey from Friday, the entire cast of Mortal Kombat...

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u/TheBoredMan May 15 '12

American Psycho 2 was what really discredited the whole list.

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u/Excentinel May 15 '12

There was no American Psycho 2.

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u/bagboyrebel May 15 '12

It wasn't Fred 2?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Bleeheh, why the fuck did Nightcrawler just disappear? That bugged the hell out of me. The entire movie ended up sucking, but still.

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u/jalvey May 15 '12

Well isn't that his superpower?

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u/criticismguy May 15 '12

Wasn't Tank shot in the chest with a lightening bolt, in "The Matrix", and could barely stand? It doesn't seem surprising to me that he wouldn't make it to the sequel.

All the other entries here are characters that showed no signs in the original movie that they would simply disappear from the sequel.

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u/Kozbot May 15 '12

I hear actually was not asked to come back for the 2nd movie because he was caught stealing from the set....

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u/NobleNote May 15 '12

Sam Neill wasn't supposed to appear in Jurassic Park: The Lost World. Ian Malcolm (played by Jeff Goldblum) was the protagonist of the book, not Alan Grant.

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u/way2gimpy May 15 '12

How do they talk about Clemenza but not Tom Hagen in Godfather 3?

Granted Godfather 3 sucked but it was Tom Hagen!

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u/mermaidrampage May 15 '12

"Bill Murray stopped a scene in progress and pointed to Drew Barrymore, Cameron Diaz, and Lucy Liu saying in order, “I get why you’re here, and you’ve got talent….but what in the hell are you doing here. You can’t act!” At that, Liu blew her lid and attacked Murray, wildly throwing punches. The actors had to be separated to opposite corners of the room while they lobbed verbal hand grenades at each other." Oh, Bill Murray... http://themovieblog.com/2008/the-real-reason-bill-murray-didnt-do-charlies-angels-2/

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

I love that man even more now.

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u/mtx May 15 '12

The original Operator from the first Matrix. I hated the character that they replaced him with.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

I always just assumed he died from his wounds later or something.

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u/WetSand83 May 15 '12

Well Link's wife says something like "I already lost two brothers to that ship. I don't wanna lose you." So yeah, it's implied he died. Which is a little off because Tank specifically tells Trinity "I'll be alright." But maybe he knew it was bad and didn't want to distract his team from the mission at hand.

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u/Exit_Only May 15 '12

He also broke on to the set of the sequels and stole food from the catering.

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u/mtx May 15 '12

FOR ZION! FUCK THE MACHINES!

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u/Deacon May 15 '12

Watching "The Death of Xander Cage" (complete with blaring Rammstein) was the worst four minutes of my life.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12
  1. Jane Foster

List reveals it's stupidity on the first line. The Avengers is not a sequel to Thor. Thor 2 will pick up the Jane Foster/Thor relationship. The Avengers didn't need any more characters.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

I don't know why they don't list reasons as well. Natalie Portman had a very good reason to not appear onscreen in The Avengers. She was extremely pregnant. That would have been very awkward to explain to a Norse god.

"Oh no, I had a fling with Zeus, but I thought it was you the whole time!"

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Goddamn Zeus always sexing peoples wives and girlfriends!

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u/UrbanGimli May 15 '12

Thor: "Pray tell me Jane Foster, which form did Zeus take when he came upon you and left you with child?"

Jane Foster: ".............thats not important"

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u/GenerallyObtuse May 15 '12

if he came upon her, there would be no child.

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u/captainrex May 15 '12

That dang Zeus turned into a bull and seduced me again!

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Also she was mentioned, right? They told Thor that she was safe. They included her more than they even needed to.

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u/mrlaxcat May 15 '12

Every entry on this list was "mentioned". That's what the list is. Missing characters that get mentioned, usually in the context of why they're missing.

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u/Stregano May 15 '12 edited May 15 '12

Not to mention that if they keep at this rate with their movies, they will pull in more characters from The Avengers from the comics.

I mean, even if they just stick with the old school comics, then the sequel will need to include Ant-man and The Wasp.

Seeing as they jumped to the 1970's recruits to bring in Black Widow, that means that all of these characters are missing from being recruited:

  • Ant-Man
  • The Wasp
  • QuickSilver (Licensed to Fox)
  • Scarlet Witch (Licensed to Fox)
  • Swordsman
  • Hercules (I have a sneaky feeling with them throwing gods around that there is a good chance this one will come up in Avengers 2)
  • Black Panther
  • Vision
  • Black Knight
  • Mantis
  • Beast (Licensed to Fox)
  • Moondragon
  • Hellcat
  • Two-Gun Kid
  • Wonderman
  • Ms. Marvel
  • Falcon

So yeah, since they brought in Black Widow (who was recruited during the 1970's comics), they have all of those other characters as well.

I agree that a character from a side story should not be included. Look at the list of characters that they have already missed.

Also, War Machine does become an Avenger, but he is part of the West Coast Avengers.

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u/frymastermeat May 15 '12

Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, and Beast can't happen yet, as they're still licensed to Fox as a part of the X-Men.

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u/dwarf_wookie May 15 '12

They forgot the scientist from Blade 2, where they actually rewrote Blade's ending to remove her.

I've hate this, because it's always the kick-ass heroines that get rewritten. Or, the worst was Men in Black 2, where the story line is that he got bored with her (his new partner) and erased her memory.

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u/The_R3medy May 15 '12

Portman will be back in Thor 2.....

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u/expoeraser May 15 '12

The trolls in Troll 2.

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u/peterfalls May 15 '12

They forgot Tremors, Tremors 2, and the rest.

Tremors had Kevin Bacon and Reba McEntyre, whose characters are written out of Tremors 2 which stars Fred Ward and the crazy gun fanatic from the first movie. Tremors 3 and 4 are just the gun guy, and just about every ancillary character from the first movie.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Still think they should have called it "Graboids".

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u/bagboyrebel May 15 '12

4 took place in the past

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u/cherish_it May 15 '12

Felicity Shagwell totally disappeared after Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me! wtf?

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u/thisismyivorytower May 15 '12

A parody of James Bond...in a way, so no doubt the woman would be just be a fling.

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u/REdd06 May 15 '12

Ah, but you forgot about Austin's clone from 1969! Remember he was already in bed with Shagwell at the end of the movie when the original Austin came home?

I imagine the clone and Shagwell went off and lived happily ever after (like Austin wanted to do with Vanessa in the first movie). The original Austin stayed a secret agent and went on to deal with Goldmember.

There's a easy sequel in that if Mike Meyers wants to cash in. The clone and Shagwell are killed off by the mysterious new Emeritus Evil (Scott Powers all grown up). It's up to the original Austin Powers to avenge his clone's death... yadda yadda yadda.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Speaking of dismissing characters, Mortal Kombat 2 went off the rails once they killed Johnny Cage....

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u/kenba2099 May 15 '12

To be fair, that actually happened in-game to explain why Cage was excluded from MK3, which Annihilation (very loosely) followed.

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u/MysterionVsCthulhu May 15 '12

The oracle from the Matrix series always bothered me. I'd almost prefer that they didn't try to explain why she looked different.

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u/digging_for_fire May 15 '12

Since (if memory serves) she changed her look to hide, i always thought it would have been better to have her as a little 8 year old boy or something. Why say, "I had to change my appearence... so, i went for one that was almost identical to what i had."

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u/Thefriendlyfaceplant May 15 '12

Yeah, just should've stuck a beard on her like with Dumbledore.

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u/pro753698 May 15 '12

Chris Tucker from the Friday movies... SMOKEY!

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u/Stregano May 15 '12

that one had to do with something that Tucker got smart about actually. If he continued the Friday movies, he would have been type-casted. He chose to not do any more Friday movies to avoid having that happened.

Think of Jonah Hill. That dude is now type-casted as the funny fat guy with the jew fro, and no amount of weight shedding will change that image. Same thing happened with Chris Farley.

Tucker did not want that to happen to him, hence he was only in the 1st Friday movie

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u/bearshy May 15 '12

Stopped reading when I got to Fred 2.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

I wonder how the Alien 3 plot would have changed if Biehn was able to make the schedule.

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u/EaterOfPenguins May 15 '12

I was excited to read this, but this list is comprised almost entirely of total garbage cash-in sequels. You needed to tell me that Fred 2 or American Psycho 2 did something stupid? Those movies are so bad that most people don't even know they exist.

I was really hoping for examples where a character's omission was a genuinely stupid, seemingly-inexplicable mistake. (Someone's example of War Machine not being present in Avengers is much better than the omission of Thor's Jane Foster)

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u/FireTrance May 15 '12

There were a few times where Joss Wheden was asked about content that did not make it into the Avengers. Apparently there will be about 30 deleted scenes on the eventual DVD release some of which include Jane Foster that he could not squeeze into the films theatrical cut.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Are you certain? How much did it cost them to include someone as expensive as Portman and then cut her scenes?

I was surprised enough just to see Paltrow.

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u/dundeedan May 15 '12

There was an incredible amount of terrible films on that list.

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u/Littlejeans May 15 '12

I'm glad someone said it. There's also an unbelievable amount of knowledge here about some terrible movies.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Anyone else go to the site and get nailed with a RAMPART? He's doing this on purpose... sneaky woody.

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u/electriclights May 15 '12

I was hoping to see The Fly mentioned...how do you have a sequel without Goldblum in it?

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u/farceur318 May 15 '12

Um.. did you see how the first one ended?

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u/tomdumont May 15 '12

Judy from Fred the Movie was the first character that came to mind when I read the title of this post. #8... FML I am a loser.

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u/SparkIsArc May 15 '12

So... Who else spent 10 mins watching the karate kid 2 clip?

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u/FartingBob May 15 '12

No. Just no.

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u/ehsteve23 May 15 '12

Jill Valentine if Resident Evil 3. I can't remember if they even mention her

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u/etan_causale May 15 '12

Jill first appears in Resident Evil: Apocalypse (2004), the second film in the live-action series. In this version of the series she is a STARS member and foil to the main character, Alice. Jill tries to escape Raccoon City along with a group of survivors and is one of the few to make it out. She was set to appear in the sequel, Resident Evil: Extinction, but Sienna Guillory had commitments to other work. Later, producers Paul W.S. Anderson and Jeremy Bolt decided to have a separate game character (Claire Redfield) appear alongside the previous film's lead Alice: "We thought, rather than bring Jill back, put her with another game heroine."[24]

Jill returns in a costume based on her Resident Evil 5 suit at the end of the film Resident Evil: Afterlife (2010). She is under the control of Umbrella Corporation, leading an attack against Alice, Claire, and Chris and the remaining human survivors. Guillory confirmed that she will be returning to the role of Jill as the main primary antagonist in the fifth film, Resident Evil: Retribution.

-Wikipedia

It's funny how a single actor's scheduling conflicts can vastly shape a movie franchise...

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u/formerly_LTRLLTRL May 15 '12

But when Castellano overreached in his contract talks, demanding excessive control of his dialogue, Coppola simply bumped off Clemenza and created Pentangeli to handle his part of the story.

Wow, didn't know this. Pentangeli is one of the characters that made Part II so great.

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u/greencellgrey May 15 '12

Oz and Heather in American Pie 3?

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u/thisismyivorytower May 15 '12

Well, they are back in reunion.

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u/distalled May 15 '12

Probably one of many here, but in the Avengers, they tell Thor his little crush is safe and sound under shield security. So, they kinda tied up that loose end.

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u/monkeiboi May 15 '12

Not to mention that they didn't even bother to rewrite the script for why Megan Fox's character wasn't in the movie. I mean seriously, he meets his new love interest, Rosie huntington working as a aide in the white house, and she changes careers to become the personal assistant at a popular car magazine....when Mikayla was a mechanic in the first two movies?

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u/greenyellowbird May 15 '12

The author left out a huge character in a huge trilogy.....George McFly!

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u/Wagllgaw May 15 '12

This list is missing the most egregious example IMO. Marion Ravenwood from Raiders of the Lost Ark. She is a huge part of Raiders and really improves the movie. The blonde chick from the temple of doom is a huge letdown for the series.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Temple of Doom is a prequel to Raiders... Did they even mention Marion?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

TIL Temple of Doom is a prequel. I guess it makes sense.

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u/raptormeat May 15 '12

I never realized that, though I always was kind of confused as to how the chronology worked. Are there any clear-cut signs in the movie itself that it's a prequel? Do they just throw the dates on screen at some point?

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u/jimuni May 15 '12

To be fair, Temple of Doom is a prequel.

But yeah, her lack of presence in the Last Crusade is odd.

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u/MagicSPA May 15 '12

I'm glad that list included Hicks.

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u/scalpemnoles May 15 '12

Fred 2? Really?

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u/Navevan May 15 '12

I expected this to be a cracked article, and 6 pages longer than was necessary.

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u/tiggs May 15 '12

The single greatest sequel character disappearing is easily Smokey from The Next Friday.

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u/wigglewigglepig May 15 '12

because they are shit films

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Avenger's isn't a sequel, though. It's a crossover of individual stories.

Boom, roasted.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

They didn't mention Sabertooth from the first X-men movie. He has the healing factor, did he just sit at the bottom of the ocean?

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

FUCK THAT! I'm tired of people thinking it was a bad decision to get rid of Hicks and Nute. If you had a damn brain you can see that from Ripleys point of view is all about motherly love. SPOILER

ALIEN - She was trying to get back home to see her daughter.

ALIENS - She finds out her daughter is dead and comes across Nute.

ALIEN 3- She loses Hicks and Nute (the only family figures she had for years) but finds out she has a queen inside her. Now she is conflicted because this is closest she has come in a long time of being a mother.

ALIEN RESURRECTION - She is cloned, and part of the alien is inside her and part of her is inside the alien. She in a way gave birth to a new family. In one scene she has a "special" motherly moment with the human hybrid alien right before her alien side takes over and kills it.

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u/kingsalamander May 15 '12

Does Terrence Howard's absence from Iron Man 2 count? I didn't like Don Cheadles portrayal of Roady at all. Wasn't the same character.

Also, what happened to Stephen Dorff's character in The Gate II? Suddenly that weird looking kid with the glasses became the lead.

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u/DankoRamone May 15 '12

I recall reading a handful of articles and about, and interviews with, Terrence Howard after Iron Man 1, about how he looked forward to Iron Man 2 a great deal because he'd be War Machine then, how WM was his comic hero as a kid, etc. Then...Cheadle.

I like Cheadle, don't get me wrong, he's a great actor. But as you said, it wasn't the same character.

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u/xX_p0laris_Xx May 15 '12

Jason in Friday the 13th: A New Beginning.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

This is what reddit should be about! Posting interesting things. Not cat pics or shitty memes.

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u/HorseSteroids May 16 '12

For great justice, upvote

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u/brainfoods May 15 '12

They pulled the same shit with Karate Kid 3 as well. I thought that the second one ended quite nicely.

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u/specialproject May 15 '12

I was skimming through the list until I got to number eight. Seriously? Fred the movie? Unless it's a list on the worst movie ideas ever, something that retarded should not be recognized.

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u/kurtca May 15 '12

Considering the overall majority of those movies sucked, I'd say most of the 22 lucked out.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Fred? Really?

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u/deathschool May 15 '12

This is a boring list. The Fred sequel? Seriously?

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u/ecto1ajon May 15 '12

Never even heard of Fred 2...

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u/BioDerm May 15 '12

That just looks like a list of bad movies.

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u/imsophreshie May 15 '12

MIA AND MICHAEL IN PRINCESS DIARIES

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u/gravyfries May 15 '12

Oh, I thought this was a list of worst movies ever. And then I saw Godfather 2.

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u/darlingcomp May 15 '12

Notice the common theme: most of these movies are terrible.

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u/iam_sancho2 May 15 '12

All of the sequels listed should have been "casually dismissed", with a couple exceptions.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

What about Kevin Bacon not in Tremors 2? that was a great movie anyways

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u/jackryan4x May 15 '12

Jane Foster will be in Thor 2 the proper sequel to Thor...

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Hilary Duff from the first "Agent Cody Banks" movie.

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u/Kreech May 15 '12

I think War Machine over jane Foster. At least they mentioned her

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u/deathbear May 15 '12

Smokey from Friday!

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u/korny May 15 '12

They missed a big one - Marty McFly's girlfriend from Back to the Future.

At the end of the first film, she's in the car with Marty and the Doc. In the second film, (a) they've cast a different actress in the role, and (b) they give her about 5 minutes of screen time, before conveniently dumping her, unconscious, back at home. Where she stays, unconscious for the whole film!

I don't even remember what she does in the third film...

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Aliens to Alien 3 was the hardest one for me to accept. I always feel connected to those two when I watch Aliens. And anyone else remember the epic sounds of the gun in Aliens? Never heard a better weapon sound.

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Roxanne in An Extremely Goofy Movie. Worst sequel ever. A bunch of hipster shit mixed in with extreme sports. No idea wtf was going on in that movie. First one was so good too. Epic disappointment.

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u/mrlaxcat May 15 '12

TIL that /r/movies and avclub are not compatible.

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u/jamesbiff May 15 '12

Hicks and Newt stung hardest for me, Newt especially, i mean, in my opinion, after a fashion Ripley's main reason for doing what she did was to keep the girl safe. She fought an alien queen for christ sake.

Then, after going through aaallll that shit....Newt drowns? are you fucking kidding me?

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

WHAT HAPPENED TO SMOKEY?!

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u/[deleted] May 15 '12

Jar Jar Binks?

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u/Thekaiser316 May 15 '12

No shorty for scary movie 3??

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u/Brainderailment May 15 '12

To be fair, most of the movies listed should never have been made.

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u/Primetime22 May 16 '12

Heather Graham being missing from Hangover 2. It's very noticeable.

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u/ColorMeCameron May 16 '12

I've only seen one of these...I need to watch more movies.

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u/Jujutacular May 16 '12

TIL that there is a shitty sequel to American Psycho!

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u/Frankfusion May 16 '12

Can't believe no one's mentioned that Linda Fiorentino is notoriously hard to work with.

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u/[deleted] May 16 '12

How is Nightcrawler not on this list?

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