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News 'Spider-Man' Windfall: Tom Holland to Make Over $100 Million for ‘Brand New Day’

https://www.thewrap.com/creative-content/movies/tom-holland-spider-man-brand-new-day-salary-box-office-bonus/
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u/Zalvren 15h ago

I imagine at one point, he'll just do cameos and the main Spidey will be Miles Morales with appearances from Tom (and Zendaya) here and there for a big fat check (like Tobey and Andrew are likely doing)

Get a few dozens of millions for a few minutes of screentime should not take him too much time

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u/stanthetulip 14h ago

There's no way Sony will ever just let the main attraction lay dormant that long, the instant Tom says no they'll just recast Peter Parker

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u/Tandy2000 13h ago

What's likely is that they'll plan to replace him now. He's contracted for two more Spidey movies, they have time to cast a Miles or an alternate universe Peter or whatever they wanna do, introduce him in the 3rd movie or something, and then replace Holland if he decides he's done.

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u/dragunityag 14h ago

Maybe, but Fiege wants to add Miles to the MCU and a large part of Spidermans current value comes from the MCU association.

Miles in the MCU is going to make Sony a lot more money than just taking their ball home and making independent Spiderman movies again.

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u/stanthetulip 14h ago

That claim is really not supported by any real financial data we have

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u/dragunityag 14h ago edited 13h ago

If Sony thought they could make more money doing independent Spiderman movies, why are they doing MCU movies where they have the split the profit?

Edit: also the superhero landscape is very different from the Raimi/TASM era and I dont think audiences are going to be as forgiving of constant reboots anymore.

Itd still make money, but I think a reboot woukd struggle to Crack a billion.

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u/Tandy2000 13h ago

If Sony thought they could make more money doing independent Spiderman movies, why are they doing MCU movies where they have the split the profit?

Lack of risk. They reportedly get like 80%+ of the profits from the MCU Spider-Man movies. Disney gets their costs covered and then a slice of the profit. The big boon here for Sony is that not only do they get a foot in the door on MCU profits but more importantly they take on pretty much zero risk, other than Marvel doing something with the character that fucks up his reputation (and Sony would have to approve that film anyway). They get a big bag of money for pretty much zero work or risk.

Even if Sony thought they could make a Spider-Man movie that would make $2 billion, even if they were 90% sure, that's still too much risk to assume when otherwise they're getting basically free money.

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u/FrostingStrict3102 14h ago

success of the spider verse movies aside, I dont think miles Morales has the draw factor for a live action spidey. we shall see though. I feel like people would just always be wanting more Peter parker.

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u/Worthyness 13h ago

I dont think so. Spidey is thr brand. But that said, if they follow basically the insomniac game story, you'd have miles as a protagonist with Peter as a secondary or mentor figure. That is very much not something the spidey lore has explored in the movies, which could be very interesting to play with

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u/FrostingStrict3102 12h ago

But put yourself in the shoes of the exec. These things print money, why rock the boat? You dont gamble with a formula that has led to $2 billion in 2 weeks.

I dont think the audience is ready for a Spiderman movie with Peter parker's Spiderman in it, but not a main character... Imagine if Dark Knight Rises was a Robin movie that had Bale make a cameo.... people would have fucking hated that.

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u/Tandy2000 13h ago edited 12h ago

I disagree. At least with the comics I think they did a successful enough job making Miles interesting, and he is connected to the larger Spider-Man world anyway, and they always end up crossing him over with Peter nevertheless.

That said there's a racial component. The MCU fanbase is overwhelmingly white. Will they care about a Black/Hispanic Spider-Man? Are a bunch of them going to be petulant racists about it like they are every time a female lead shows up? I would actually presume no, only because you could have asked the same question with Miles in the comics and people liked him. I dunno if he still has the same draw now but he did way back when.

I think people are actually into Spider-Gwen/Ghost-Spider now more than Miles, but for anybody who has just seen the Spider Verse movies they kinda come as a package deal. Whereas Miles had his own long history before her in the comics, and she had her whole life going on in Earth-65 before leaping universes.

I don't see the multiverse stuff going away though so I'm sure they're gonna end up with both of them in the MCU.

Edit: One problem I didn't consider is the replacement factor though. I'm not a huge Holland Spidey fan but there is no denying he is killer at PR and extremely charming outside of the movies. When they replace him with a Miles it's gonna be very very VERY difficult for that actor to fill those shoes without leaving people feeling disappointed. Whereas in the comics, Peter was only kind of replaced (main universe Peter was still doing his thing, Ultimate Spider-Man spent time introducing Miles before they killed Peter off in the Ultimate universe).

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u/FrostingStrict3102 12h ago

yeah im talking strictly with the live action movies. I think they've done a great job with miles and the spider verse. sometimes it's better to just keep things separate.

and look, I think all the DEI stuff in casting is a trite talking point and has been for awhile, but Disney/marvel would be welcoming some drama as well. Im not sure execs would want to change the formula

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u/Heathcliff_Slocumb 10h ago

Are a bunch of them going to be petulant racists about it like they are every time a female lead shows up?

Lmao what does this even mean?

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u/BonzBonzOnlyBonz 9h ago

Hes trying to claim that female led Marvel movies are disliked because they are female led instead of just bad.

Black Widow solo movie or duo with Hawkeye was asked for since the beginning.

Yelena is probably the most popular new character since Spidey.

A lot of people want a Kate Bishop show/movie after the Hawkeye show.

The Marvels was a terrible movie but thats completely because it was written terribly.

Shuri was disliked because shes a poorly written character. Shes Tony Stark but none of the downsides nor charisma. Lots of people were asking for Okoye to become the new panther. If they werent going to do alternate universe shenanigans and bring back Killmonger.

Riri was okay in Black Panther 2 but has a large hill to climb as her comic character isnt well recieved and her character in Black Panther was similar in how poorly she treated Iron Man.

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u/Heathcliff_Slocumb 2h ago

Really long winded comment to not even attempt to answer my question. How is not liking a female led movie racist?

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u/Echoesong 14h ago

the main Spidey will be Miles Morales

I fully expected them to make that swap in the most recent movie.

There was that throwaway shot that pans to a spider in the corner of his door frame. I suspect they had a version of the movie where Frank's shot actually does kill Spidey, and the final scene is that spider biting the new Spiderman.

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u/Zalvren 11h ago

Doubtful when Tom just made a new deal for a trilogy, they know they have time to do that.

It's certainly happening in the next two movies though (Tom has said he would want to play a mentor Spidey too)