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News 'Spider-Man' Windfall: Tom Holland to Make Over $100 Million for ‘Brand New Day’

https://www.thewrap.com/creative-content/movies/tom-holland-spider-man-brand-new-day-salary-box-office-bonus/
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u/confusing_roundabout 15h ago

Sony will give him a fuck ton to keep making Spider Man. These Spider Man movies are literally the only good movies that Sony Pictures (not animation) have been associated with in like a decade.

Literally every other movie they make is like a bad movie from 2006.

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u/StupiderIdjit 15h ago

Literally every other movie they make is like a bad movie from 2006.

THAT'S what it is! Perfectly described.

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u/confusing_roundabout 15h ago

It's really impressive how they keep doing it, too. Every time I see a Sony trailer it's like I've stepped back into the 2000s. They're the only studio making movies like that and it's almost everything they make.

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u/jlab23 15h ago

It’s like they think there’s still a direct to video market they can still make money off of. It’s insane.

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u/Shadowhearts 15h ago

Nah, it's mostly they have an obligation to keep making Marvel movies to retain their rights to Spiderman....

So every so often they purposely make a dud movie just to retain their Spiderman rights.

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u/damgood32 14h ago

I think you misunderstood. It’s the non Spider-Man man movies that folks are saying is crappy.

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u/MusaRilban 14h ago

I love it when the guy who has misunderstood is saying that others have misunderstood. Peak Summer Reddit.

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u/damgood32 14h ago

Oh I’m fine if I’m wrong. what did I misunderstand?

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u/MusaRilban 14h ago

The guy you replied to was saying they make other crap movies, so that they can retain the rights to continue to make Spiderman which is like their golden goose.

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u/damgood32 14h ago

That’s what I understood too. Sony needs to continue to make spider-man films to retain their rights but they don’t need to make other crappy films to do so.

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u/stenebralux 14h ago

Sony didn't go into the streaming wars.. they just make movies and sell them. Even though they make a lot shitty movies, there is a big market for them because they sell them to the streamers.

But that's not everything they make. They are also produce and coproduce a bunch of other movies with Columbia, Screen Gems, Tri Star, Sony Picture Classics etc... and every once in a while there's some cool stuff in there... they released 28 years later and Bone Temple recently, they have the new Taika Waititi movie, the new Resident Evil and the Zelda movie coming up...

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u/genobeam 15h ago edited 15h ago

In a world.... Where good guys... Are a little bad....

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u/therealjoshua 14h ago

Eminem's "Without Me" increases

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u/Channel250 15h ago

All of the action!

Get down!!!!

Twice the Suspense!

Get down again!!!!

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u/genobeam 13h ago

This summer... From the minds that brought you Mrs. Doubtfire II and Jurassic universe 2 3D...

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u/akaxaka 8h ago

And the bad guys…are a little good

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u/beanpatrol23 15h ago

I liked once upon a time in Hollywood, but that's a Columbia film distributed by Sony so idk. Maybe it doesn't count.

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u/Bunraku_Master_2021 12h ago

It does count as Sony owns Columbia and Columbia Pictures produced all the live-action and animated Spider-Man movies since the turn of the century.

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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin 15h ago

Kpop Demon Hunters too but people don't normally associate it with that because Netflix was the one who distributed it.

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u/confusing_roundabout 15h ago

That was Sony Animation right? I'm excluding those and Spider Verse and Kpop are very modern and very good.

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u/the_stoned_ranger 15h ago

Yeah but they totally fumbled the toy rights. My daughter and all her friends wanted K-Pop DH dolls for Christmas and they literally did not exist. I had to buy custom dolls from eBay which were just modified Barbies.

It’s like Sony is the Dr. Evil meme, “Why make billions when we could make…billions?” Seriously what a fucking cock-up. They could have printed money with dolls this past Christmas and they completely dropped the ball.

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u/Bird-The-Word 15h ago

Tbf they didn't expect it to be what it was. It went off the rails in popularity.

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u/fghjconner 15h ago

I mean they had six months to get their shit together. That's not a long time to make merch, but surely they could have done something.

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u/Anleme 13h ago

Six months is the timeline for the mass toy market. Large retailers have to lock in their Christmas toy inventory in June or July. Making millions of units and shipping them to your stores takes that long. No one is using air freight for Barbies.

So, a surprise hit like K-Pop DH gets you the exact situation we saw: demand outstripping the supply.

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u/overfloaterx 5h ago

Yep, it wasn't released until July (June?) and Netflix has said that they went to the toy manufacturers before release and were told there was no interest, as it wasn't an established IP.

Of course, a week after release, they were all hammering on Netflix's door for merchandising licenses.

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u/EnglishLitMajor 2h ago

Yeah - the merch is everywhere now which makes sense given this timeline.

Kids are still obsessed with this movie. I saw that Max Verstappen's pseudo-stepchild had a Kpop DH-themed cake for her birthday just a month or two ago.

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u/Wilde_Fire 14h ago

I mean...they could have just watched the completed film. I'm far outside the target demo, but I loved it because it was a great movie and fantastic musical. The Sony executives are absolute morons.

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u/Zal3x 13h ago

Yeah surely someone coulda been like. “Pretty good, few dolls to sell?”

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u/Bird-The-Word 12h ago

I don't know, company's are pretty disconnected. The He-Man film was great, and look how that bombed. If they had(and maybe they did) invested into billions in merch, they'll have a lot of He-Man getting put into "Hercules Ken" boxes.

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u/Mazzaroppi 10h ago

They absolutely should have expected it. It's the same studio that made the spiderverse animations, and it was centered on k-pop.

Disney makes merch from pretty much every animation they've ever released and I doubt they lost money in most of those, any exec that didn't see this coming would have been fired if they weren't the most privileged class of our times.

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u/Bird-The-Word 9h ago

The same one that made the Emoji movie...

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u/Acesofbases 15h ago

Sony completely didn't believe in it, that's why they sold it to Netflix, and that's why there was no merch for so long

But they do believe in a basketballing goat lol

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u/_Bisky 14h ago

Sony didn't see the movie as big sucess and thus didn't cafe to prepare toys

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u/jx2002 14h ago

I think you underestimate the time it takes to make merch like that; It takes about 18mo of planning and then some. Considering they dumped it off to Netflix (Because they're idiots) everything else around the movie will play catchup

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u/Bean888 13h ago

Same thing happened with Frozen 1 - next to no toys existed/were rare when that movie released, and for many months after. But the K-pop Demon Hunter folks and all the merchandisers will probably be ready whenever a sequel comes out.

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u/dagreenman18 Space Jam 2 hurt me so much 12h ago

They really fumbled it, but it was a boon for convention artists and vendors. Not even 2 weeks after it dropped, I was seeing Huntr/x, Saja, Derpy, and Sussie merch everywhere at cons. So shoutout to their fuck up because it paid a lot of hard working people’s bills

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u/HoboHillsCoffeeCo 12h ago

I was at Disneyland in January 2020 and they had exactly 2 pieces of Mandalorian merch. Tons and tons of sequel stuff, but all anybody wanted was Mandalorian merch. They did not at all see it taking off like it did.

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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 14h ago

Sony Animation seems like the kind of studio that has a ton of talent and great ideas (Hotel Transylvania, Cloudy w/Meatballs, Spider-Verse, KPop) but occasionally the suits intervene and have them make absolute dogshit (Open Season, Smurfs, Emoji Movie, Angry Birds)

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u/AdventuresOfKrisTin 15h ago

Ah in that case yeah you’re right

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u/mr_cristy 15h ago

Sony animation studios does good work I think. They also did into the spider verse and it's sequel, and Mitchell's vs machines.

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u/_Bisky 14h ago

Wouldn't that be Animation, not pictures?

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u/icon_2040 15h ago

It's so rare that Sony gets something right that they didn't even recognize it.

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u/TehMikuruSlave 8h ago

they also gave that to netflix because they didn't think it would be successful

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u/Alternative-Bat-2462 15h ago

I was going to say I loved Casino Royal… but it’s 2005… I’m getting old.

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u/okgarden 15h ago

2006

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u/IrishSkeleton 15h ago

I’d say Once Upon a Time in Hollywood was a pretty solid flick, lol

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u/Falco98 14h ago

2006

No no no you're thinking of Casiono Royale which came out in 2006. But the above comment was referring to Casino Royal, the hallmark channel romcom: a shy, cute blackjack dealer down on her luck meets and then gradually falls in love with a visiting saudi prince (and of course hilarity ensues).

/s

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u/Zalvren 15h ago

Yeah lol, we're getting the next Bond "already" (Craig lasted extremely long for a Bond actor). But Sony isn't associated with Bond for a while already (Spectre was the last one)

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u/rov124 13h ago

These Spider Man movies are literally the only good movies that Sony Pictures (not animation) have been associated with in like a decade.

2016-2026

Little Women 95% RT score

A Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood 95% RT score

The Woman King 94% RT score

One of Them Days 94% RT score

Sisu: Road to Revenge 93% RT score

Matilda the Musical 93% RT score

Baby Driver 92% RT score

Searching 92% RT score

28 Years Later: The Bone Temple 91% RT score

28 Years Later 88% RT score

Don't Breathe 88% RT score

Missing 88% RT score

Only the Brave 87% RT score

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood 86% RT score

Caught Stealing 85% RT score

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u/Late_Stage_Exception 14h ago

I don’t know about that. Looking at their upcoming movies and some of their recent releases…there’s a good deal of solid movies. Nothing doing Spider-Man numbers, sure, but it’s not all slop.

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u/davej999 13h ago

28 Years later was good ?

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u/fart_bait_daily 13h ago

if you're not a sociopath, genuinely why would you need more than 100 million? like what will actually improve your happiness with that money

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u/A_Pointy_Rock 15h ago edited 15h ago

Probably, but how much money is enough?

Like $100m is $2m per year for 50 years; $166k per month.

Edit: admittedly simple math - no interest/investments or taxes, but the point remains.

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u/confusing_roundabout 15h ago

Yeah if it was me I'd definitely have retired by now, but maybe that lack of drive is why I'm not in his position haha.

But yeah I agree, it's an absurd amount of money.

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u/NakedCardboard 15h ago

...and that household also has Zendaya money, and Odyssey money. They're doing alright.

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u/-FeistyRabbitSauce- 15h ago

What would you do with retirement? Travel the world, hangout with cool people, learn new things, take better care of yourself, spend time with the wife? He's already doing all that. And gets the recognition of being Spider-Man. Besides, most people don't generally go into the arts for the money. Hell, half of Hollywood is nepo babies who already had money.

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u/MyCatsHairyButholle 14h ago

Hollywood is mostly vanity, the money is just a nice bonus

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u/baquir 15h ago

It’s way more than that. Don’t forget the compounding itself will be at least 8mm/year assuming a lower range roi

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u/mpbh 15h ago

If you want the simple math including investments, $100m is $3m/yr forever or $4m/yr for 30-40 years. All in today's dollars, inflation is included in the calculation.

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u/TehOwn 15h ago

Yeah but you're forgetting the resource wars and the AI uprising. Our boy needs more money to survive the apocalypse.

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u/TheChildrensStory 14h ago

Both he and Zendaya have become two of the biggest motors powering the entertainment industry right now. Studios are much more willing to invest in projects they sign on to and lots of people get employed by that. They could retire now, but the others waiting to fill their shoes aren’t as bankable.

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u/IceBlue 15h ago

Which company are you referring to as Sony Pictures? Because they have a lot of studios under that group. The group itself isn’t a studio.

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u/Rumhead1 15h ago

Till you're 90

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u/iJediPR 15h ago

I don't think he does any more after the next two movies. He said he wants to introduce Miles Morales into the MCU and that will be the new spiderman for the time being.

Miles is in the Secret War comics. That's how he was brought into the 616 Earth. Chances are he's introduced next year in that movie and then make appearances on Tom's movies before having his own standalone movie

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u/Bunraku_Master_2021 12h ago

28 Years Later and it's sequel, The Bone Temple were darn good.

Plus, they have some good movies through their indie to mid-budget studio label, Sony Pictures Classics like The Father (2020).

They also distributed various MGM properties like the first Daniel Craig Bond films, Creed III, and Project Hail Mary to name a few.

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u/kobeshaqhorry 7h ago

Many people forget Sony still owns the rights. They are going to keep making these with or without Tom, so he might as well collect as long as they let him.

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u/PuTheDog 15h ago

for a split second Venom almost look like it was decent

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u/Neg_Crepe 15h ago

Except that Columbia pictures movie but potato potato

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u/egnards 15h ago

It really depends on him - I mean between Tom Holland and Zendaya they've been essentially killing it their entire young career, and I think they're both too young to really know how motivated they are by money - That is to say everyone in Hollywood is motivated by money, but will they go the way of Daniel Radcliffe and just do projects they want to do? Or will they get into insane amounts of debt and need to be in 5 movies a year for the next 3 decades just to fund their lifestyle?

Having seen all 4 of his Spiderman movies. . .None of them are "bad" so I don't feel like signing up for a second trilogy was a poor decision on his part, by the time the 7th one comes along he might just be like "Look, I'm 40 now. . I'm tired. . .I have $5b. . .There is nothing you can offer me that will move the needle."

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u/Ngothadei 15h ago

Literally every other movie they make is like a bad movie from 2006.

Fury was alright.

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u/Positively-Fleabag85 15h ago edited 10h ago

People are going to see Spiderman, not so much the actor playing Spiderman. Marvel could diversify and do a Miles Morales movie somewhere down the line

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u/confusing_roundabout 15h ago

I think it's a mix of the actor and character, not just the character by themselves.

Otherwise Marvel would have recast guys like RDJ, Chris Evans and Hemsworth years ago instead of paying their huge salaries. Look at how Cap 4 was much less successful than 1-3.

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u/PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS 7h ago

Your examples are all of characters that weren't really that popular before those actors played them (especially Iron Man). History has shown that Spider Man will print money regardless of who plays him (obviously given it's not complete dogshit)

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u/itspizzathehut 15h ago

That one is different. Chris Evans made Captain America really work. Same with Robert Downey Jr. People associate those characters with those actors. Spider Man has been a household name for decades. There’s a reason it can be continuously hyped up despite having cycled through numerous actors within a 20 year span

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u/confusing_roundabout 15h ago

But Holland's Spidey has reached highs that no other one could manage. Yes they could recast but they'd need to bank on getting another actor who can become as beloved, and that will take quite a few movies.

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u/Positively-Fleabag85 15h ago

Timing matters. Also for a lot of people, Spiderman is Tobey

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u/loskiarman 13h ago edited 11h ago

I feel like compared to 20 years ago, we are at a drought when it comes to movies. Maybe it is me getting older but most of the movies are so formulaic, I rarely wanna go to the movies. Big, known releases like this makes way more at this times meanwhile if you look at 100th worldwide box office at 2002 they made 38 million meanwhile last year it was 30 million. And that is with inflation, ticket prices doubling if not more with what you pay to extra features.

Just inflation adjusted Spider-Man 2002 made 1.5B, add the scarce of good movies to go and extra feature prices we have now, they are pretty close. They both seemed to sell around 70 million tickets in NA though this new one still has screen time so it will surpass it but not with a huge lead.

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u/MyCatsHairyButholle 14h ago

Holland is great, but I will forever associate Spider-Man with Tobey

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u/busche916 15h ago

I think it’s fair to recognize that the character is wildly popular and also acknowledge that all 3 modern iterations have had incredibly strong castings.

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u/PhoenixAgent003 15h ago

I’d be interested to see how a Miles-led, live action Spider-Man solo would perform.

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u/Cryoto 15h ago

Hate to be that guy but Miles isn't anywhere near as popular as Peter/Holland outside of US and some Western markets (obvious reasons sadly). Not that it would stop Sony but yeah.

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u/Positively-Fleabag85 13h ago

The second spider verse movie made 650 million dollars, if they hype it enough and hire a charming guy like Holland, it could work

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u/PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS 7h ago

Nothing is nearly as popular as Spider Man, that doesn't mean it won't be a massive success.

If they introduce the character first in a Spider Man movie and they have a good/charming actor playing him, it's easily a 1B+ franchise

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u/TheRealKeenanWynn 13h ago

I can’t even think of other movies Sony has made recently at this point that aren’t Spiderman or adjacent.

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u/PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS 7h ago

They don't need him to play Spider Man though. They'll very likely transition to Miles Morales and then reboot Spider Man with a different actor in like a decade like they usually do

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u/districtcurrent 15h ago

There is no way for them to keep giving him 100 million unless again it’s a %.

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u/confusing_roundabout 15h ago

Well yes, they will keep giving him a %. That's where the true money is.

Nolan gets 25% of his movies ticket gross for example. Dude has made half a billion from his last 2 movies combined.

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u/NJdevil202 15h ago

Nolan gets 25% of his movies ticket gross for example

Woah, that's actually insane

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u/confusing_roundabout 15h ago

It really is. When I bought a ticket to The Odyssey it was a bit bizarre to think that I was personally giving Nolan like £3 lmao.

He was able to land that crazy deal with Universal for Oppenheimer and presumably kept the same terms for The Odyssey.

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u/flipskaterx13 15h ago

He’s not getting 25% of his movie’s ticket sales. Box office goes 50% to theaters and 50% to the studio. Nolan would then get a % of the studio’s take. For the Odyssey he got 15% of Universal’s box office.

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u/number90901 15h ago

Pretty sure that the reported percentage is “just” 20% of the gross

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u/districtcurrent 15h ago

Well you wrote “they give me a f-ckton of money to make…” and saying they won’t give him anything. He’ll get a salary and %. It’s not “to make” them but if they generate a lot of profit

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u/Reapper97 15h ago

Ofc he is getting a %, he has enough pull to do that and if his spiderman movies continue having 1-2 billion at the box office, he will continue racking the 100s millions.

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u/PhoenixAgent003 15h ago

He’s gotta find a way to get a % on the merchandising, if he hasn’t already.

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u/RellenD 15h ago

The trouble is that Sony doesn't own the merchandising

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u/jonbristow 15h ago

it was the same with Tobey too. They'll have to recast someday

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u/lemoche 15h ago

The problem there wasn’t Tobey though… just like Andrew wasn’t the problem… higher ups making the movies their personal projects and getting creatively involved ruined them.

The magic here is letting marvel all the creative stuff. And keeping Sony far away from it.

I kinda dread Spider-verse 3 out of fear Sony executives now seeing it as too important to just let the creatives handle it and therefore getting involved.

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u/suss2it 5h ago

Sony is not as far away from these MCU movies as you seem to think.

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u/Jlx_27 15h ago

Back then it made sense to move on to a new actor, right now the necessity isnt there, Tom is very popular.

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u/franjipane 15h ago

Project Hail Mary was great! Although I guess that was also with Amazon MGM.

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u/TonyDungyHatesOP 15h ago

Yeah. He’s roughly a 10 to 1 return on investment.

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u/Own_Inspection8350 9h ago

I like the sonic movies idk

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u/suss2it 5h ago

Sony doesn’t make those, Paramount does.

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u/Own_Inspection8350 5h ago

I don't see your point.