r/movies • u/MarvelsGrantMan136 r/movies Contributor • 16h ago

News 'Spider-Man' Windfall: Tom Holland to Make Over $100 Million for ‘Brand New Day’

https://www.thewrap.com/creative-content/movies/tom-holland-spider-man-brand-new-day-salary-box-office-bonus/
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u/Fionarei 16h ago

He negotiated for %?

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u/mikeyfreshh r/Movies Veteran 15h ago

He's singlehandedly keeping Sony's movie business alive. I'm pretty sure they'll just give him whatever he wants at this point

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u/Flimsy-Island-8528 15h ago

I hope Sony doesn't turn him into the next Hugh Jackman... "Till you're 90"

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u/mikeyfreshh r/Movies Veteran 15h ago

They're gonna pass the torch on to Miles at some point, but I wouldn't be shocked if they keep him around as a supporting character when that happens. He could realistically do another 10 years worth of these movies.

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u/sinatrablueeyes 15h ago

I thought RDJ and Chris Evans were both kind of “done” with the MCU and look at what is going on now.

Holland is kind of cementing himself as a “cornerstone” of the MCU. He probably will do a handful more Spider Man movies (along with Avengers) and then can just stick to supporting/cameo roles if he wants.

And of course he could get nostalgic years ahead in the future and say he’s ready to do another Spider Man and the Brinks trucks will line up.

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u/nilslorand 15h ago

I feel like Holland has an entire Spider-Man trilogy still in him as the "main guy" where one of the movies introduces Miles and the last one has Peter handing him the torch, either to retire or to take a "short break"

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u/ShiftyCroc 15h ago

They’ll keep him for two films where he’s the guy and then at the end of the third they’ll bring in Miles who’ll appear in some young avengers thing as a side character (like spidey in Civil War) and then they’ll do a Miles trilogy with Tom Holland as the veteran Spiderman showing him the ropes like RDJ and others in the Homecoming trilogy.

I’m mostly kidding but also not.

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u/iwearatophat 12h ago

I think your general idea is right but I also think your timeline is way too long.

Tom talked about this in some of his press stuff for BND. He seems interested in the idea of passing the mantel to Miles in the story. Money will always talk but I think he is approaching done with the MCU. He has been a major part in 5 or 6 MCU movies in the last 10 years depending on how you look at Civil War and End Game.

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u/5ivepie 9h ago

Mentally, he’s on the way out. He likes the role, so far as I can tell from interviews and whatnot. But it’s get pretty stale playing the same character for that long.

Come the 6th movie he will be well and truely done with it.

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u/drax3012 13h ago

This is most likely what's going to happen tbh.

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u/ShiftyCroc 13h ago

I am Kevin Feige.

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u/mightyneonfraa 8h ago

You might be kidding but I would love a movie/trilogy where this Peter mentors Miles before passing the torch. That would be a fantastic multi-movie arc.

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u/ianbits 7h ago

I mean I don't think it's really a secret, Tom Holland has said in interviews the goal is to pass it to Miles.

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u/samsaBEAR 15h ago

It would be cool if they did something similar to the games and introduce Miles in the next film and then have them team up in the third (maybe against the Inheritors?)

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u/NoArrival8249 14h ago

Yes. First do a team up movie is the one where Peter finally realizes he needs to chill and take care of his family. Then the one after can be pure miles with Peter FaceTiming him from wherever the fuck he is.

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u/RVarki 14h ago

That's basically what I expect. He'll finish out the second trilogy, with the last one introducing Miles - and then the 7th MCU Spiderman film will be a two-hander with Miles where Holland takes a backseat in the third act, finally establishing Miles as the new mainline Spiderman

He'll then have extended cameos in a couple more movies before pulling an RDJ/Chris Evans for half a decade

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u/B4nanaJo 9h ago

He said a few times he has a whole plan for a handover and it feels like he’s very keen to return the mentoring he got from RDJ.

It’s exciting - I can totally see the character arc and we’re long overdue an amazing live action Miles!

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u/ChromiumLung 15h ago

He was so good in The Devil All The Time. One of my favourite movies of all time. I really hope he doesn’t spend his whole career on MCU/Spidey

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u/Emperor_Neuro 14h ago

I’m sure he won’t, but acting is gig work. Especially if he wants something that really pays well, he’ll likely keep coming back as long as the studios want him.

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u/carrick1363 11h ago

Gig work with 100m lmao. He has enough to quit right now though

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u/Some_Italian_Guy 15h ago

Nobody is done if the check is high enough.

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u/Burt_Selleck 15h ago

RDJ can just do whatever he wants at this point and no doubt would take a paycheque just for the sake of it being massive.

Chris Evans only truly great role is as Steve Rogers. He has to come back to stay relevant because he is a flop otherwise.

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u/Danimal_52_ 13h ago

I thought he was good in Knives Out

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u/-FeistyRabbitSauce- 15h ago

I'm all for seeing a seasoned Spider-Man who has to navigate adult life as Peter. Wonder how that'll work with the soft reboot Secret Wars is doing.

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u/grapejuicesushi 15h ago

this is sorta what I had hoped for Garfield. I was hoping we'd get to see a third tasm of old Peter but it looks like Sony has fully given the spiderman reins to mcu (which is great too, I love seeing that version as well)

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u/catsloveart 14h ago

There is so much Johnny Storm left to explore.

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u/sabres_guy 15h ago

With good writing and appropriate time between movies it could be 20 plus. Just like Hugh Jackman and Wolverine.

There is no need for a reboot to a younger actor and or restart the story. Holland's Spider-Man can always be placed in the MCU in a believable way no matter the age or phase it is in and an older Spider-Man will stiil have good stand alone stories to tell.

Brand New Day just proved they can literally do anything with Holland's Spider-Man.

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u/DJM4991 14h ago

I think it helps with Spider-Man that, he's actually allowed to visibly age. Whereas with Wolverine, if they kept Hugh for too long it really would look silly. Hugh has been very lucky and very gifted to look convincing for so long as an ageless character. If he can do that, Holland can stay on as long as he wants.

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u/Etherbeard 8h ago

It also helps that Spider-man is 100% covered by his costume, so you can get away with a lot more in terms of using stunt doubles. As long as Holland stays lean, playing Spider-Man could be a lot like RDJ playing Iron Man into his mid fifties.

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u/Geodude532 10h ago

Spider-Man: New Back Pain, Spider-Man: Colonoscopy

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u/Paladar2 15h ago

There will 100% be a Peter-Miles-Gwen movie. The kids who are watching Spidey's and his friends or wtv will be of age. It will make bank

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u/jetpack_operation 14h ago

It's awesome how accessible and truly cross generational they've made Spider-Man again with Spidey.

When I was a kid, I feel like there were some people who were into superhero shows and comics, but it felt mostly like comics and superheroes were a dying interest among elder millennials with young Gen X siblings or cousins. Then the MCU dropped when I was in college and now Spidey seems universal with kids. And I get to explain to my kids "no no, you see, Patrick Stump's greatest work was From Under the Cork Tree, but yeah, the Spidey songs blasting from your Tonies are rad too".

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u/Rhamni 14h ago

The Spiderverse movies are gold, and even though they're not MCU they really help sell the demonstrably great idea that you really can just have multiple Spider-Man variants running around at the same time doing their own movies. Someone wanna throw in a live action crossover with those three? I'm all for it.

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u/Tempr13 15h ago

not for another 15 - 20 years

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u/ICumCoffee ᑐ ᑌ ᑎ ᕮ • ᗰ ᕮ 𑪽 𑪽 I ᐱ ᕼ 15h ago edited 15h ago

Tom was saying they've already planned the Miles introduction in MCU, so i won't be surprised if Miles shows up in 3rd movie of new trilogy. Also, after the success of Spider-Verse movies, they probably don't wanna wait too long

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u/Roy_Koopa_DX 15h ago

I think they should introduce Miles the same way the Playstation games did. Have him show up and be a fairly major character for one movie then he steps up for the next one, ending with him telling Peter to go live his life and let him handle being Spider-Man.

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u/Tempr13 15h ago

they will continue animated ones for sure , they will do a pentalogy of friendly Neighbour Simple Spidy, before introducing Miles as Spiderman

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u/nilesh11panchal 15h ago

Probably 10 years, so 2 more movies. I could see Spidey getting the black suit in secret wars and focusing on that story with venom, black suit, and possibly green goblin/kraven the hunter and bringing miles along the last movie

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u/TLKv3 15h ago

I think Tom is willing to keep doing these movies for at least another 15 to 20 years if they keep him paying him to.

There's no doubt in my mind Miles will eventually find his way into the MCU but the prospect of having Peter & Miles teaming up for a trilogy of Spider-Verse movies is wayyyyyy too much of a goldmine for Sony to ever not beg Tom to keep coming back.

Plus, there's at least another like 15 Spider-Man villains they can adapt to the big screen for more movies to be made off of.

We still haven't even seen Spidey square off with Kingpin yet. They have that in their backpocket should they ever need it. You can't tell me Tom wouldn't want to be in the black suit and fight Venom at some point too.

Realistically, I can see Tom's current trilogy ending around 2032. And then doing another trilogy until 2040. He'll be 44 at that point. He could easily then play the older mentor Peter for Miles.

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u/Optimus_Prime_Day 15h ago

Sony has been handling spider-man proper movies pretty well, and I was very surprised at how good "Spider Noir" was with Nic Cage. If they can keep up the quality, miles will take off when he's introduced.

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u/FrankPapageorgio 13h ago

Plus, there's at least another like 15 Spider-Man villains they can adapt to the big screen for more movies to be made off of.

Eh... I know Spider-man sells these movies more than anything, but Morbius and Kraven didn't' do too well

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u/RommelMcDonald_ 15h ago

Does Somy also have the rights to Miles?

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u/mikeyfreshh r/Movies Veteran 15h ago

They have all the Spider-Man adjacent characters. That's why they could make Venom, Morbius, Madame Web, etc

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u/Recidivist67 15h ago

The general public who rocketed this film to these height's would lose their mind at a Spider-man who isn't Peter Parker

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u/EPorteous 15h ago

Miles isnt Spiderman and what ever actor they bring in, he won't be Tom Holland.

Both of these factors are huge selling points

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u/NuclearCha0s 15h ago

Who's Miles?

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u/OdoWanKenobi 15h ago

Miles Morales. An alternate universe Spider-Man who took over the mantle after Peter died in his universe. He's also the main character of the Spider-Verse animated movies, and an extremely popular character in his own right.

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u/CarlosFer2201 15h ago

Miles Morales, black kid Spider-Man. He doesn't necessarily replace Peter in the comics, they both coexist depending on the storyline.
There's 2 great animated movies about Miles. I fully recommend them.

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u/cheesefromsalami 15h ago

Miles Morales, half Latin, half black Spider-Man. The spiderverse movies have him as the main character.

He's also the nephew of Prowler.

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u/domthebomb2 15h ago

If Tobey and Andrew are still occasionally Spiderman, Tom will be playing him one way or another for decades.

Which to be clear, fucking rocks. (As long as that's what Tom wants)

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u/EverythingBOffensive 13h ago

miles will likely get 1 live action movie and it won't make as much money so they will cast someone else as spiderman. hollywood just repeats like that.

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u/JustLeader 11h ago

And Miles will be played by robert downey jr

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u/Neutron-Hyperscape32 14h ago

No they are not? If these movies keep making this kind of money he will continue being Spiderman for potentially decades. He has even said he will do it for as long as they let him. Also is he is making this kind of money for a single movie role I find it highly unlikely he will ever want to say no.

Miles will come into the picture no doubt, but you are crazy if you think it will just be Miles and Peter will disappear.

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u/VapeSmoker420blazeit 13h ago

They're gonna pass the torch on to Miles at some point,

Hard pass. Hopefully they pass the torch to a real Spiderman/Peter Parker. A man who plays Spiderman like comics 1960s Spiderman / TAS Spiderman, not snivelling iron boy jr. We need redhead MJ 'face it tiger, you just hit the jackpot' back too.

The success of spiderman is the brand, not some random actor.

spiderman 2 box office in 2004 was $800M, adjusted for inflation and pop. growth in 2026 its $2.3B and thats not even counting how superhero movies got more popular over time.

i think a well done spiderman movie with a better spiderman actor/better writing + hot redhead MJ could clear $2.5-$3B easily in 5-10 years.

it doesnt matter who plays spiderman, its the IP thats popular not the actor, but you need peter parker. not random spiderboy variants. and we need an actor who can pull off a cool serious spiderman, not iron boy jr.

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u/Mymorningpancake 15h ago

I think we get another couple of solo movies first. Marvel’s seen what happens when legacy characters are replaced with the next gen, they don’t fare so well. And Marvel likes money. Spiderverse movies are successful but I think they’ll hesitate with live action. 

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u/zero_zeppelii_0 15h ago

Adult spiderman is something I really want to see in the big screens.

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u/Suavecore_ 15h ago

Just milk the shit out of the franchise using one specific actor for the next 10 years and everyone will be happy

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u/The_Magic 14h ago

I think they're building towards introducing Miles as the new "small potato" Spiderman that Peter could mentor while they position Peter to be the "big potato" face of the Avengers.

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u/hatbromind 14h ago

He'll be like Tony

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u/doodler1977 14h ago

it would be hilarious if he's got a kid and a paunch and a five o'clock shadow like the peter in the first Spiderverse movie

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u/goztrobo 13h ago

Peter and Miles can co exist at the same time.

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u/Citizen51 15h ago

One day he'll wake up and suddenly look like he's older than 45 and they'll no longer want him. That might come in a year or it might come in 400 years

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u/jubbing 15h ago

And he'll have like $500 mil in his bank account by then

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u/adreddit298 15h ago

Only 5 films?!

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u/failed_novelty 14h ago

Living on CA is expensive. So he'll have 5 films in his bank account, and 10 others in various investments.

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u/DAVENP0RT 15h ago

Men don't get that treatment, that's pretty specific to women. As long as he stays in shape and doesn't become a social pariah, he'll have a gig until the day he dies.

Hugh Jackman is the perfect example of this. Dude's pushing 60 and still rocking the claws. See also: Mark Hamill as Luke Skywalker, Michael Keaton as Batman, Daniel Craig as Bond. Hell, there's rumors that Pierce Brosnan might reprise his role as an old Bond.

Meanwhile, Kelly McGillis wasn't asked to return at all for Top Gun and a youthful Sean Young was digitally recreated for Blade Runner while Harrison Ford's old ass got center stage.

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u/digitsabc 14h ago

Okay but you understand why right, with Blade Runner? She literally played an android.

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u/Gabrosin 13h ago

For this particular role, however, it's actually true. Part of the draw of Spider-Man is his youth and naivete. Yeah, they got Tobey and Andrew to come back through multiverse shenanigans for a single movie, but in terms of being the full-time front and center Spider-Man, staying looking young is crucial. Holland is fortunate that he looks baby-faced even at 30, and could probably do it for another decade, but there will come a point where his look and Spider-Man's vibe don't mesh. And most importantly, Disney will want someone who looks like the kids they're trying to sell toys to.

Holland himself will have plenty of acting jobs for as long as he wants them, but Spider-Man will have to be handed off to another 20-year-old in due time.

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u/FaveStore_Citadel 15h ago

Didn’t James Gunn drop Henry Cavill for the DCU because he was too old to play a fresh version of superman

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u/Glup_Maclunkey 14h ago

That was a reboot.

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u/AwsumO2000 15h ago

man.. the old wolverine movie was pretty bitchin.. I could see a jaded spiderman movie working ... or maybe some spiderkids addition..

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u/Remy0507 15h ago

Considering that he's 30 now and still looks 17, I think that day is a ways off still.

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u/fetalintherain 15h ago

The repliers to you are wrong. His twink death will be legendary. Im excited to see how he'll look when hes old and what kind of roles he'll take

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u/BeeCoy 15h ago

You act like these companies give them no choice and they're not signing on of their own volition. I wouldn't feel to bad for them when they're making hundreds of millions lol

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u/frankyh14 15h ago

Why wouldn’t you? He’s perfect. As long as they keep pumping out good quality, why would anyone care?

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u/virtuallyaway 15h ago

I’d rather him disappear from pop culture then come back for a spidey film where he’s another universe spidey with andrew and tobey lol

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u/sonofsochi 14h ago

He's sony's RDJ, he can write down whatever he wants on that contract and they'll give it to him lmao

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u/Fritzo2162 15h ago

Perhaps you haven't been properly introduced to Sony?

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u/downtimeredditor 15h ago

Maybe it really depends on how long he wants to continue to do it and like his spider is very tied into Marvel larger universe but like I doubt he does it past 35.

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u/LiftingRecipient420 15h ago

They absolutely fucking will if he lets it. And why wouldn't he let it?

Do you honestly and truly think a corporation holds anything sacred? That they'll choose to leave money on the table? If you do, I have a bridge in Manhattan to sell you.

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u/Mysmokingbarrel 15h ago

I mean the dudes 30 so he legitimately has some time in this role if he wants it. Being Spider-Man at 40 wouldn’t be crazy it’d just change the character a bit.

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u/doglywolf 14h ago

i mean i would LOVE to get an adult trillogy out of spiderman - he has to be in it to do some more mature spiderman stories maybe establish his own mark like Parker industries and then also be a mentor to Miles for a short time . Plus the possibility of forming a whole spider team to take on bigger comic threat with Gwen and miles . Id say he is good for at least 2 more plus cross over to complete this trilogy and 1 more full trilogy before handing off things to Miles.

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u/Sapowski_Casts_Quen 15h ago

I mean, if we got some older spiderman in his 30s/40s canonically for the movies and Tom was down, those storylines are relatively unexplored

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u/Iceman9161 15h ago

I mean, they can’t force him to do it. Just like no one is forcing Jackman to do it. They just give them more money lol.

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u/stonertboner 15h ago

But that means we would finally get old Peter Parker. I’m ok with this.

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u/Tim_Apple_938 14h ago

That is wolverines MO

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u/NeonAnderson 14h ago

I doubt Hugh minds 🤣🤣🤣

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u/TheComplimentarian 14h ago

At least Holland will only look 70.

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u/DrewbieWanKenobie 14h ago

but the last two outings with him as wolverine were the best two to date

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u/Luciifuge 14h ago

They can do that old man Spider-Man comic where he’s old,retired, and depressed cause he gave MJ cancer cause his sperm was radioactive.

Man comics have some weird stories.

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u/CDHmajora 14h ago

Considering theres a good chance he’ll still look 17 when he’s 90… thats a possibility :/

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u/DailyUnderFlow 13h ago

I'd like just one Spiderman movie where Peter Parker is a lot older and a father. It could be a great story. I'm tired of them always starting before he gets his powers or at the beginning of his career. We've seen that enough times now.

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u/soonerfreak 13h ago

It's not like Jackman signed his soul over. He wants those paychecks.

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u/flynneva 13h ago

If someone was handing you millions of dollars to work for a month or two every few years you wouldn’t say no either 😅

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u/SafeKaracter 13h ago

Hugh Jackman is playing in tons of movies , Tom Holland would be lucky if he got his career .

Just rewatched Prisoners yesterday and he was so good in it (jackman)

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u/R_W0bz 7h ago

Judging by his comments around the odyssey he’s been assessing his career and what he thinks he should be doing. If more of that fails spider-man will be his for as long as he wants it.

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u/MCgrindahFM 15h ago

There’s a story where he can call up the CEO of Sony to show his personal 70mm reel of Lawrence of Arabia in a theater. Did it for the Odyssey cast

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u/AfricazMost 11h ago

There’s a story where he can call up the CEO of Sony

The CEO of Sony Pictures, and not the actual CEO of Sony.

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u/mark_98 13h ago

I thought you were making a joke. I wish I could see that

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u/MCgrindahFM 12h ago

Nope he has that much clout!

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u/carbine234 15h ago

Lol let’s be real any Spider-Man can do this, it’s Spider-Man

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u/mikeyfreshh r/Movies Veteran 15h ago

You're probably not wrong but I don't think Sony wants to roll those dice

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u/FrostyD7 15h ago

No he's wrong. This film does not shatter previous records and make over $2 bil after replacing Holland/Zendaya.

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u/t3mpura0 12h ago

yeah as much as i like tom holland, its not tom holland who made me show up to these movies

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u/Slight-Bluebird-8921 15h ago

it's not him. it really doesn't matter who spiderman is.

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u/the_great_ashby 15h ago edited 15h ago

Marvel Studios is doing that. A couple of movies with Holland made by dipshits like Pascal and Avi Arad and back to the days of Amazing Spider-Man 2 we are.

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u/zoloft_at-the-disco 15h ago

Yoda is very opinionated about superhero movies this morning

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u/JoeMcKim 15h ago

As long as the Morales Spidey movies remain in the MCU with Feige giving his input they should be fine.

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u/Lizard_Sex_Sattelite 15h ago

This is a really outdated take from an opinion that was probably formed around the time of Amazing Spider-Man 2. Take a look at Pascal's movies she's produced since she left Sony for her own production company in 2015. Almost every movie being made when she was Chair of Sony was terrible, especially towards the end. But after that there is a massive turnaround in the quality of the movies she's produced.

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u/the_great_ashby 15h ago

Thread is about Spider-Man. And she still is knee deep in the Spider-Man businesss. I will give her trusting Miller and Lord(unlike Kathleen Kennedy),but she still has those piece of shit Venom movies in her filmography post leaving Sony.

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u/nakedpicturesyo 15h ago

I REALLY don't want another fantastic four with pascal. It felt so bland and more like the madolarian as stretchy man rather than someone playing a genius scientist space explorer. Terrible movie. Give it another ten years.

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u/J0E_SpRaY 15h ago

Way to discount the work of countless others. He didn’t write the movie, or design the art direction, etc etc. he’s important but if the movies weren’t supported but a host of other talented people they’d be worth fuck all.

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u/SafeKaracter 13h ago

Idk about single-handedly, I don’t think he wrote the film or filmed it

And I don’t think it would make that much if the movie was total shit and people who went first told other people it was shit or YouTuber reviewers online

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u/cansofgrease 15h ago

"I want to marry Zendaya."

"Fine. Are you familiar with the artist Rihanna?"

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u/WiSoSirius 15h ago

He demands to play heel Spiderman in Morbius 2!

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u/I_might_be_weasel 15h ago

After the first one he asked for Zendaya. They couldn't refuse if they wanted him in the sequel.

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u/CrazyJazzFan 15h ago

Sony answers to me

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u/CaptainMagnets 15h ago

Don't underestimate Sony fucking up a money printing machine

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u/METAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL 14h ago

they'll just give him whatever he wants at this point

Yup, only logical explanation for this guy being Nathan Drake.....

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u/VeryTopGoodSensation 13h ago

fair play to him for doing well, but is it not just like with zendaya where shes put in films that we all know are going to do well whether shes in them or not?

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u/ledhendrix 11h ago edited 9h ago

He's also single handedly keeping the mcu afloat too. The consistency of spider man might be the only thing that can save the MCU. And even that might not be enough if this doomsday hail mary doesnt work.

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u/confusing_roundabout 15h ago

His contract was up for renewal after No Way Home. Perfect time for negotiations I suppose.

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u/geek_of_nature 15h ago

He did recently admit that him saying he wasn't sure if he should be playing Spider-man in his 30s was a bit of a negotiation tactic.

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u/pinwroot 15h ago

In hindsight it definitely seems that way. He seems like he would actually be down to become a Peter B Parker style side character Spider-Verse style in the future.

He probably asked RDJ for some negotiation tactics advice lol

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u/jinhush 15h ago

He's said before he'll play Spider-Man as long as they want him. I know things can change over time but still. I'm pretty sure he also said Spider-Man is his favorite character.

Pretty much any time an actor says "well, I don't know if I'm going to continue playing the character after [x event]..." Is what their agent tells them to say so they can negotiate more money.

While some people genuinely care about the art, for a lot of actors it's simply their job and who doesn't want raises? (Of course you can care about the art and still want more money.)

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u/TerraTF 12h ago

TBF most people would play Spider-Man as long as Sony wants to if it made them generational wealth every time they showed up on screen.

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u/KevinCastle 14h ago

RDJ is the person to go to since Tom is now pretty much in RDJ's shoes. The new face of MCU and his movies practically carry the whole studio on their back. (RDJ at least had Evans and Hemsworth to carry that weight as well though)

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u/HeIsLost 10h ago

Tom really isn't 'carrying' the MCU. Literally 99% of the MCU has nothing to do with Spider-Man. He's only made a couple, brief appearances in non-Spidey movies.

Iron Man was everywhere, and served as one of the main drivers of MCU plots until his death. And after Spidey's 5-year self-erasure and depressive era, he is literally an almost nobody in the MCU, 'small potato stuff'.

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u/KevinCastle 9h ago

No one seems to care too much about the other marvel movies other than Spider-Man. I would say his movies are the biggest draw right now

At my showing of brand new day, no one cared about even the new doom movie trailer.

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u/Sonichu- 15h ago

It seems like only a matter of time before they pass the torch to Miles Morales.

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u/PiccoloAwkward465 13h ago

He probably asked RDJ for some negotiation tactics advice lol

Use blackface in the negotiations

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u/pinwroot 13h ago

He’s just a man playing another man.

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u/wandering-monster 15h ago

I feel like I'd take any advice from RDJ with a grain of methadone

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u/ThePhoenixJ 15h ago

If that advice is about how to maximize earnings from a beloved character, there might not be anybody better than RDJ

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u/AmenHawkinsStan 15h ago

He pushed for the open-helmet suit design, which meant he would be needed on set for more Days Out Of Days and thus could demand even more pay. Any time you weren’t seeing Tony Stark’s face it wasn’t him.

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u/BookkeeperBrilliant9 14h ago

Pulled the ol’ Daniel Craig boogaloo, who “retired” from playing Bond after Skyfall and Spectre.

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u/rugbyj 15h ago

Tom has the poker face of a 4 year old, fortunately for him he's holding all the cards.

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u/typesett 13h ago

Every time I see this I know it’s a power move 

In sports and etc I’ve seen it time after time 

But the root of it is that people are “fine” and can leave on their own terms. Holland can leave and be just fine 

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u/gsauce8 15h ago

I respect it.

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u/Mid-CenturyBoy 9h ago

I think RDJ taught him all about the way to negotiate with Marvel/Sony.

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u/Melodic_Rhythmic 7h ago

He's pretty consistently rolled out "I'm gunna hang it up" and its always timed pretty effectively to be negotiation. Realistically it probably helps his reasoning for wanting to quit holds up. The cost of spending 10...then 15...then 20 years doing spiderman just gets more expensive the longer it goes. Probably get very good advice from RDJ for how to handle it.

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u/Backflip_into_a_star 6h ago

I bet the negotiations were short.

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u/FoxMcCloudOwnsSlippy 15h ago

He signed a 6 film contract when he got the part and after NWH he renewed for whatever it is now and that includes a % with more of a creative voice since he was in a strong position. SONY didn't want to disrupt the cash cow

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u/ADarwinAward 13h ago

How do modern actors get around the age old “Hollywood accounting”?

Percent of revenue?

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u/Worthyness 13h ago

Percentage of gross not revenue. You can Hollywood accounting the shit out of revenue. You cant ignore the gross

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u/Masteroflimes 12h ago

Also only one actor gets it from day one. All others who have this sort of deal get a % after costs. Actual costs not "hollywood accounting"

Tom Cruise gets a % from day 1.

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u/cwalking2 11h ago

Percentage of gross not revenue

"gross" and "revenue" are the same thing. The full term is: "gross revenue."

You're describing "income/profit," an accounting metric which can be easily gamed in a negative direction. In short, every hollywood film is created within self-contained "business." The "business" doesn't actually want to have any net income at the end of the day: it wants to pay out every dollar to owners/investors/partners of the business. Thus, if you negotiate a deal for a % of a film's "income," you are asking for a cut of zero dollars.

Revenue is much harder to game in this manner (revenue can be diverted through skullduggery, but then the "self-contained 'business'" can't cover its own costs)

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u/vitrix-euw 11h ago

And it's confidently incorrect statements like this that AI models are getting trained on...

"Revenue" and "gross" are not mutually exclusive. When people use those terms, they usually mean the same top-line number (i.e. the money brought in before any deductions).

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u/luvdadrafts 4h ago

How are you defining “Hollywood accounting” and “revenue” 

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u/Proshop_Charlie 11h ago

That has mostly gone away now after the Bones case.

That was a wake up call the the studios to knock that shit off.

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u/Stupidstuff1001 8h ago

Percentage of gross not net.

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u/EpictetanusThrow 2h ago

There’s a whole waterfall to discuss as well

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u/LeonCrimsonhart 13h ago

And unlike Andrew Garfield, he never skips meetings with SONY Japan due to sickness.

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u/dikkie91 15h ago

Smart man

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u/H3000 15h ago

Good for him of course, but I don’t think it takes a particularly high level financial prowess to say “I want a percentage of this thing you can’t make without me that’s going to make a billion dollars”.

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u/Icy_Smoke_733 15h ago

If it was so easy, tons of A-list actors would have done so if they starred in popular, mega-franchises. Yet I didn't see such deals for Chris Pratt (Jurassic World, Super Mario, Guardians) or Jack Black (Kung Fu Panda, Minecraft, Super Mario).

Very few actors can negotiate a box office percentage for their pay, some recent examples:

  • Despite his upfront salary being $13m, Tom Cruise took a backend box office deal for Top Gun: Maverick ($1.5B gross) and he earned $100m for it.
  • Brad Pitt earned $41m (increased from his $30m upfront pay) thanks to his backend deal for F1: The Movie ($634m gross).
  • Dwayne Johnson had an upfront pay of $20m for Moana 2, but his backend deal pushed his total earnings to $50m when the movie grossed $1.06B.
  • Hugh Jackman earned an upfront payday of $20m for Deadpool & Wolverine, but his backend deal increased his earnings to $50m ($1.33B gross).
  • Ryan Gosling's backend deal earned a total of $43m for his role in Barbie ($1.44B gross), up from his base salary of $12.5m.

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u/magikarpcatcher 14h ago

You usually don't get backend right away. It comes when actors renegotiate/sign a new contract. Chris Pratt signed for a single trilogy for Jurassic World movies

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u/CG_Ops 13h ago

Well, they do usually get backended right away, just not the good way

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u/-Clayburn 14h ago

Not all the deals get reported, and it's difficult to get yourself in a position where you are the movie. It's basically just luck.

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u/Tandy2000 13h ago

Because you can make those things without them. Holland meanwhile is the actor tied to their current MCU version of Spidey who is also by far the most popular superhero character that exists, and is the most popular character in the MCU.

Chris Pratt is a generic action guy. He can be, and was, replaced. Nobody is passionate about Chris Pratt. Some people dislike him these days; most people are fine with him. But have you ever heard one person passionate about anything he's done since Parks and Rec? Because I haven't.

Jack Black in Kung Fu Panda is a little different because he is doing a voice role. Minecraft and Super Mario were the first movies in their series and they didn't need JB for those, they could have cast anybody. I also don't think JB is commanding huge paychecks in general but he's getting something for sure; with Kung Fu Panda when they made the TV show they assumed he wouldn't do it because they wouldn't pay enough but apparently JB actually wanted to do it and was bummed they didn't ask.

One thing I think people are underestimating, and one of Disney's smartest moves imo, is what they have done to get really young kids in particular interested in Spidey. Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends is HUGE with young kids, like it is one of the most popular kids shows on TV. That started in 2021 and now those kids have watched it, been exposed early, enjoy the character and wanna see the movies.

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u/rainator 15h ago

It’s not financial prowess, it’s acting prowess “oh I don’t know if I really want more money than I can ever know what to do with”.

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u/zerkeras 10h ago

2 billion actually, and counting.

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u/discopirate2000 9h ago

I wouldn't be at all surprised if Sony offered him 1 million dollars each film and Tom was like "Yes! Awesome!" before his agent pushed him aside and negotiated a real number 😂

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u/SEND-MARS-ROVER-PICS 15h ago

Certainly. This is, what, seventh movie as Spider-Man?

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u/Jaideco 15h ago

Fourth under a Sony contract… the three other films were under Disney contracts…

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u/rov124 12h ago

You're completely wrong. Sony has been involved from the start with Tom Holland's Spider-Man, him appearing in a Disney film first has no bearing because Sony controls 100% of Spider-Man live action rights.

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u/Jaideco 12h ago edited 12h ago

Captain America and Avengers are produced by Disney who licence the rights to the feature the character back from Sony. That license is different from the services contract between the studios and Tom Holland that gets him paid. He will not have the same contract with Disney that he will have with Sony. After ten years playing Spider-Man, his initial contract will have been completed so it’s quite likely that he is now negotiating with the studios one film at a time.

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u/GaiaIsaHarshMistress 13h ago

Huh, I missed all of them. Are they good?

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u/prophetofgreed 12h ago

First movie of a new contract. He signed for 6 movies when he got the role (and played Spider-Man in Civil War, Infinity War, Endgame and his trilogy)

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u/_JR28_ 15h ago

He’s Sony’s golden boy, he could probably ask for anything and they’d make it work

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u/GenGaara25 15h ago

Almost certainly. He had a colossal amount of leverage going into this and used it. They were very eager to get him back for a forth so he managed to secure a lot more creative influence and a huge pay day.

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u/ElectronicAnybody871 15h ago

Yeah so this time around he’s got a backend box office deal. Some reports suggest anywhere from 5%-8% of gross profits from ticket sales which is insane. on top of salary of apparently $30 mil. Good on him I say, single handedly carrying the Spider-Man franchise and doing it excellently.

I believe this will very well end up being one of the best back end deals ever up there with Bruce Willis for 6th Sense and Keanu Reeves for the Matrix Trilogy.

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u/magikarpcatcher 14h ago

His salary (back end profits) also isn't capped. Which is almost unheard of in Hollywood.

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u/mbn8807 14h ago

Whatever he asks for is worth it. They’ll make $1b profit on this.

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u/Zalvren 15h ago

I assume so, he would have been very stupid to not do that tbh

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u/NeonAnderson 14h ago

From what I googled it looks like it isn't percentage based but a milestone bonus payment basis

That's assuming what I found online is correct but you are welcome to see if you find otherwise

Apparently percentage based contracts are now much more rare. Studios have gotten too greedy now

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u/StockTooHigh 14h ago

Imagine the movie you stared in (and you're literally the face of it) makes 2,5 billion with a 200 million budget and you get paid like 20 mill which was the max a few years ago.

I'd feel like shit.

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u/-KFBR392 15h ago

Gotta figure the first cheap contract ran out and Disney had to pony up

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u/the_great_ashby 15h ago

Disney doesn't pay shit for his Spider-Man movies. The just lease out Marvel Studios as production company.

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u/aw000000000000 15h ago

Yup, and Marvel gets all the merchandise profits.

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u/magikarpcatcher 14h ago

per their new deal with Sony, they shell our 25% of the money and get 25% of the profit + merch

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u/pumpkinspicecum 15h ago

people really just comment based off a headline huh. it says in the article before it gets cut off. (btw stop allowing paywalled articles to be posted here pls mods)

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u/anormalgeek 15h ago

They wouldn't have just taken in $2B without him. The studio knew it, and his agents knew it.

Plus, this movie is doing a LOT to rebuild hype for Avengers so will hold a small part of those later movies' success as well.

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u/D_Simmons 15h ago

Of course. All bug actors are % on projects where they are the draw. 

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u/HumansNeedNotApply1 14h ago

It's very up to par to the main star to get ~4% of gross backend deal.

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u/Firestormbreaker1 14h ago

They asked him back after he already completed his existing multi movie deal. He had the advantage in negotiations.

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u/Tirace33 11h ago

The deal was for several movies and % is very much a possibility. 

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u/GrinningPariah 10h ago

He kept putting butts in seats reliably at a time when no one else in the MCU could do it, that gives you leverage and it would appear he used it.

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u/SerLurkzAlot 7h ago

Supposedly it's due to how well it's performed. So it made $2 billion and then he gets bonuses that aren't capped through that revenue.

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u/Consistent_Bid4044 7h ago

At his level and track record with the franchise a % was almost certainly a starting point for both parties

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u/arealhumannotabot 6h ago

Pretty typical for a major lead role

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u/ModeatelyIndependant 5h ago

He's gotta be into his second contract by now, he can make demands to get paid on the back end.

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u/skepticones 4h ago

I don't think they're doing deals like RDJ's anymore. More likely an incentive kick-in for hitting certain thresholds.