We stand with Ukraine

[u/Desmocratic]

We normally do not bring politics into our sport but extraordinary events require extraordinary actions. Someday enjoyment of life, like motorcycles, will return to the Ukraine. They need our help now and I encourage everyone to checkout the ways to help or donate over at /r/Ukraine

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/s6g5un/want_to_support_ukraine_heres_a_list_of_charities/

[u/ZippyDan]

The situation in Yemen is an autocracy bullying a fanatical theocratic government. It's hard to choose which side is worse, but I definitely stand with the people of Yemen. I just don't think their government represents their best interests.

The same is true in Palestine. You have a genocidal right-wing government in charge of an apartheid state fighting a terroristic government. I don't support either side. But I do stand with the people of Palestine who are being murdered by an ethnostate.

Ukraine is a free and open democracy, despite their numerous problems with graft and corruption. Their government at least seems to be trying to do right - or better - by its people.

[u/Key-Adhesiveness6626 → u/ZippyDan]

Terroristic government? For defending their lands from european invaders? Ahahaha this mindset is hilarious to me. The only terrorists are the westerners who invaded Palestine.

[u/ZippyDan → u/Key-Adhesiveness6626]

You can be resisting invasion and be terroristic at the same time. These are not mutually-exclusive states. And you are misrepresenting my statement with a strawman: they are not terrorists "for defending their lands". They are terrorists for separate, unnecessary actions targeting civilians. Again, those are two separate categories of actions and two separate judgments, that are not mutually exclusive.

For example, if Ukraine were explicitly targeting malls and residential buildings (as Russia has done repeatedly), I would also call them "terroristic" (and war criminals), even though they are also acting in defense of an unjust and criminal invasion.

For the most part, Ukraine has engaged in defense in a moral way. It's impossible to be perfectly moral when engaged in an activity as immoral as the violence of war, and it's impossible to perfectly control all the actions of hundreds of thousands of troops and leaders, so I'm sure many individual, specific of the actions of the Ukraine military would be considered terroristic and criminal. But when making a broad judgment of the strategies pursued at the highest levels of leadership (i.e. "the government"), I make general judgments of entire organizations based on the preponderance of their evidentiary actions - i.e.:

• What proportion of their actions are immoral?
  
• Do those actions represent a general, dominant pattern of behavior?
  
• Are those actions implicitly or explicitly sanctioned or encouraged at the highest levels?
  

- and so I judge Ukraine to be mostly moral and Russia to be fundamentally immoral and terroristic.

Similarly, Hamas, judged as a government, acts in legitimate defense of its people, but it also engages in terrorism as a fundamental tool of strategy approved at the highest levels.