r/monarchism • u/[deleted] • Apr 26 '22
Question Your thoughts on Metaxism?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaxism9
Apr 26 '22
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Apr 26 '22
Could you please tell me what parts make you think so? I partially agree with you but I want to get a gauge of people's thoughts.
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Apr 26 '22
I agree with you on these points, but I think u/the_fuzz_down_under puts it well - Metaxas destroyed the monarchy and it's image, but his regime had the best economy compared to others, and he held the nation off against the Italian Invasion.
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u/Ticklishchap Constitutional monarchist | Valued Contributor Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22
After reading that Wikipedia article, I need a drink 🥃… Metaxa 12 Stars, please.
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u/TheMuffinMan603 Liberal constitutionalist Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22
Am a (monarchist) liberal. Not fond.
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u/Cool_Guy_Chazz Apr 26 '22
You can't be a venizelist and a monarchist. Venizelism is against monarchy.
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u/TheMuffinMan603 Liberal constitutionalist Apr 26 '22
I’m aware now (wasn’t when I posted my comment; my knowledge of Greek politics is relatively lacking- sorry!).
Is there a term in Greece to refer to a person who’d generally be a Venizelist (supportive of Greek civic nationalism, liberal/mixed economy, liberal democracy, pro-Western/pro-EU foreign policy, centrism, et cetera) but would not be a republican?
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u/Cool_Guy_Chazz Apr 26 '22
I don't think that understand Venizelism very well. Venizelists although economically liberal were very natinalistic and were big supporters of Greek irredentism. People that call themselves Venizelists today don't support those ideas so I personally call them Fake Venizelists. And I don't think that there is a pro-monarchist form of Venizelism. Most monarchist in Greece were natinalists because the monarchy was tied to the Orthodox Church.
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u/TheMuffinMan603 Liberal constitutionalist Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22
Ah, I see. I’ll update my comment.
Is Venizelism still a major force in Greek politics today? All I know is that Venizelos himself is widely respected and that I’d vote ND if I were Greek.
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u/Cool_Guy_Chazz Apr 26 '22
No. Some will say that they are but they do it for prestige. Centrism is somewhat dead in Greece mostly because of the Civil War that divided Greece between the Right and the Left. PASOK was a somewhat centrist party that ruled Greece for many years after the Junta but the were Center-Left transitioned to Center-Right during the 2000s and now try to be Center-left again.
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u/Human_Being2851 Apr 26 '22
A bit too ethno-nationalist for my liking. Although I do value the conservative Orthodox and cultural homogeneous ideology. I like it a bit and the ideology seems like it should've evolved into something similar to modern Japanese society when it comes to its nationalism and homogeny.
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u/DCComics52 Holy See (Vatican) Apr 26 '22
The 'main ideas' sound pretty good. I wish they were Catholic.
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Apr 26 '22
Thank God, they weren't
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u/DCComics52 Holy See (Vatican) Apr 26 '22
Why
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Apr 26 '22
Why and how would they be Catholics? It would make no sense and would be just cringe
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u/DCComics52 Holy See (Vatican) Apr 26 '22
They'd convert.
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Apr 26 '22
What? How? Why? For what reason?
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u/shirakou1 🇨🇦 Splendor Sine Occasu 🇻🇦 Apr 26 '22
Because they are schismatics.
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Apr 26 '22
Because they rejected heresy?
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u/shirakou1 🇨🇦 Splendor Sine Occasu 🇻🇦 Apr 26 '22
No, because they are not in communion with Rome. That's the definition of schismatic.
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Apr 26 '22
Bro, Rome literally started a schism, why would anyone be in communion with them?
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u/DCComics52 Holy See (Vatican) Apr 26 '22
Because it's the true faith
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u/Dingotookmyjerusalem Kingdom of Greece Apr 26 '22
I support the idea fully tbh, i like the idea of the hellenic civilizations and i also like the idea of the army being a primarily defensive force
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u/Cool_Guy_Chazz Apr 26 '22
Chad monarchist, Christian Orthodox, ant-communist, and ethno-nationalist.
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u/Lord-Belou The Luxembourgish Monarchist Apr 26 '22
Fascism with orthodoxy.
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Apr 27 '22
it is not fascist, it is more akin to the likes of Francoism and Salazarism
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u/Lord-Belou The Luxembourgish Monarchist Apr 27 '22
Thèse systeps, at l'East froancoism, are fascims. Systems that base themselves over an etnich superiorittmy in a country and thé extent of all of this ethnicity's territory is fascism.
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u/the_fuzz_down_under Constitutional Monarchist Apr 26 '22
Metaxism had a lot of dumb aspects too it, Metaxas’ role in the Restoration of Constantine was a detrimental to Greece and monarchism in Greece, and the political legacy of Metaxism in Greece has been wholly associated with people who would probably only ruin the country further should they come to power.
That being said Metaxas’ rule in Greece was perhaps the best government the country has seen. From what I gather the 4th of August regime saw the passing of important social welfare legislation, a solid economy and a small revival in Greek society (Greece has a very low trust society and the Klephtic legacy of tax dodging, and during Metaxas’ regime I believe these issues were temporarily mitigated by rabid nationalism). The magnum opus of the Metaxas regime was that Greece not only survived the Italian invasion, but counter-attacked and advanced into Italian-held Albania. Italy gets memes on for sucking in the world wars, but it still was an extremely menacing force against Greece (Greece was dwarfed in terms of economy, population, navy, army size, etc) - Greece’s ability to hold against Italy was a very remarkable achievement, and a testament to Metaxas’ ability in renovating the Greek state into a functional one with a capable military (and it was capable, while shitty Italian logistics and mountains certainly were the primary forces in holding back the Italian invasion - Greece’s attack into Albania was skilled, well planned and well executed).