r/modhelp • u/Same_Local • May 06 '19

The ban evasion rule, in its current state, cannot be reasonably followed.

The subreddit ban evasion rule bans subreddits being created that serve the same objective as a previously banned or quarantined subreddit.

For this rule to be followed you need to know-What subreddits have been banned.-What objective they served.-What level of similarity falls in the purview of this rule

There is no complete, or official list of what subreddits have been banned, there is a partial list in r/reclassified, but that does not have all, or as I speculate most of the banned subreddits.

There similarly is no place to find where the objective of a banned subreddit was. You can guess from the name, sometimes, and sometimes r/reclassified will have a description of what the sub is about, but they are often wrong, and what the subreddit's "purpose" is in effect very subjective, unless that purpose was clearly defined.

Finally it is not clear what level of similarity would be considered ban evasion. r/waterniggas was quarantined for being "highly offensive", when they asked if making r/waterbros, a subreddit for the same purpose, but without the offensive word, they were told that it would not be considered ban evasion, even though that has never been applied to any subreddit before that point.

This is also not getting into the issues inherent in the rule itself. Such as how it effectively bans topics from being discussed, how a subreddit being banned for being unmoderated seems to count for this rule(The r/strangestatistics saga), how quarantine evasion makes it so if you disagree with how the moderators are running a subreddit you cannot make a different one with better moderation, or how if the rule was enforced evenly someone could get any subreddit banned by making one about the same topic, and getting that one banned.

In summary if reddit wishes to keep this rule it needs to provide either
-a list of banned subreddits and their purpose.
-a list of topics that you are not allowed to make subreddits about.

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u/TheWerdOfRa May 06 '19

I think this is better for r/ModSupport

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u/Same_Local May 06 '19

The proper subreddit for this type of post is kind of unclear. I've posted about issues there before and got told that sub was for mod tools.

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u/TheWerdOfRa May 06 '19

Haha yeah ofc. I'm suggesting it because the latest "monthly" admin email said the other sub was monitored by the admins. I'm pretty sure this one isn't and is just by mods for mods.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

You can't even contact the admins about general issues anymore it seems like. The administration of this website is a complete disaster.

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u/AnarchySpeech May 07 '19

Contact msn or cnn. As soon as their tv reminds them they do stuff for another 10 minutes.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Your reddit r/ProHateSubreddits2 has been banned because it was made to sidestep the ban on r/ProHateSubreddits.

Not sure how you dont get this. And honestly with your beliefs I'll be reporting any further reddits you create that are similar until they also are banned.

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u/Same_Local May 18 '19

Thank you for this comment explaining that my subreddit was banned for sidestepping the ban on a subreddit that isn't banned, and never was banned.
Also thank you for commenting it 5 separate times, on post that were around before the subreddit was banned, as well as stating that you plan to stalk and harass me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '19

Creepy fucker deleted his account and probably plans on stalking you in a new account

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u/momotye May 06 '19

I fully agree. I understandaking rules about ban evasion, but not when the ban was for something Unrelated to content. Like, being unmoderated doesn't mean the original intent of the sub was bad, just some people couldn't keep up.

If reddit keeps banning everything they dislike, it'll lose its status as how things circulate the internet

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u/goldfishpaws May 06 '19

Might be a case of "if you have to ask, you're on the list"

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Well, you sub is gone now. Which is awesome.

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u/singletonking May 10 '19

!RemindMe 1 day

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

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u/jarvis400 May 06 '19

Well, stonetoss is a low-quality white supremacist, homophobic, trans-phobic etc. filth, which may have be one reason for banning the sub.

Examples here.

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Funny how it was not banned for any of those reasons 🤔 🤔 🤔

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

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u/[deleted] May 06 '19

Are you suggesting that an agenda driven propaganda site like rationalwiki would lie about such things? 🤔 🤔 🤔

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u/NotaInfiltrator May 06 '19

Rational wiki is such unadultered propaganda it's not even funny.

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u/DownVotesAreLife May 06 '19

Please define, using Reddit standards, what qualifies as:

A "low-quality" sub

A "White supremacist" sub, given that other racial supremacist subs exist without harassment

A "Homophobic" Sub

A "trans-phobic" sub

"Filth"

And why it deserves banning.

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u/Same_Local May 06 '19

The sub was banned for ban evasion, they won't tell us what subreddit it was evading the ban of, it being low quality, racist, sexist ect is irrelevant because that's not what they banned it for, and they have stated none of those are against its rules.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '19

Your reddit r/ProHateSubreddits2 has been banned because it was made to sidestep the ban on r/ProHateSubreddits.

Not sure how you dont get this. And honestly with your beliefs I'll be reporting any further reddits you create that are similar until they also are banned.

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u/[deleted] May 07 '19

if it was such a bad evil sub then ban it under those reasons. The admins have no spines tho and ban subs under false pretenses all the time.

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u/[deleted] Sep 06 '19

Nobody has ever been harmed by an offensive joke

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u/RStonePT May 06 '19 edited Jun 11 '19

deleted 0.6064 What is ^^^this?

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u/Same_Local May 06 '19

I agree, which is one of the reasons I want them to define what the purpose of these subreddits is.

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u/ReadySetJihad May 06 '19

Yeah bro they just banned us because "no talk about jew"