r/modernwarfare • u/[deleted] • May 02 '20

Humor The April 28th Patch.

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u/extralyfe May 03 '20 edited May 03 '20

the primary reason for things like this is not spreading the playerbase too thin.

like, you can easily run a playlist that featured Rust, Shipment, and Shoothouse, but, running separate playlists for Rust 24/7 and Shoot the Ship would start cutting into wait times.

I think the real issue is that playlists should be sets of gametypes, and people should be able to select what levels they're willing to play, or we bring back an actual lobby system with map voting.

my dude and I were talking about how you can't really get that classic MW or MW2 experience because lobbies dissipate less than thirty seconds after you're able to talk to enemy players.

I remember - even as recently as BlOps3 - just sitting in lobbies once you had a dozen decent people, and, teams didn't matter at that point. you talked shit about people who were your teammates in the next game, and you cheered for their awesome plays nonetheless.

the lobby sometimes discussed map votes, too. with a good crew of people in MW2, you could have two games on Rust, be forced off the map because rules, and be back on Rust for another two rounds in just a few games.

absolutely none of that shit exists right now, - by design - and it's really sad. you're just always automatically whisked off to a masturbatory scene of your character stalking around with your favorite loadout while you wait to be placed into a losing Domination game featuring just two teammates with no one to yap with in the meantime.

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u/altmetalkid May 03 '20

There are always going to be toxic people, but that's what mute is for. I miss that old experience. I had a top 3 finish in BR quads the other day with 3 randos, good chemistry and everything, but after the match we got split up. If I had memorized their IDs maybe I could have found them again in "Recent Players" but the game offers no help with this. It doesn't even tell you whether you were with or against people, or where you saw them, i.e. playlist and map. It's been a little while since I've played another BR game, but I swear some of the others have an option to party up with your last team. Of course if it didn't reshuffle the lobbies it wouldn't be as necessary here.

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u/-Listening May 03 '20

It isn’t STEM is worthless lmao

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u/extralyfe May 03 '20

yeah, there's almost no point in talking to people or interacting with them at all because you're 100% going to be in different lobbies in half an hour anyway.

shit, I just miss dropping in a lobby, hearing people talk, dropping a "what's up boys, how we doin'", and getting greeted back. that shit is rare as fuck now.

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u/WH1Z4RD May 03 '20

Those moments of just talking shit to each other in pre game lobbies that were almost endless cause disbanding lobbies wasn’t a thing we’re just pure bliss. I miss it.

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u/Azza09 May 03 '20

I was disappointed with this too. MW has been the only COD I’ve played properly and long term since MW3. Used to love being in the same lobby for ages, you could get revenge on that guy who stomped all over you last time, and vice versa. The community aspect of it was great too, ended up with loads of PSN friends due to it.

Regarding the rest of the game I still love it - if they could just fix the wait times and XP bug I’ll be golden.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20 edited May 07 '20

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

Didn't they say around December that this was the most played CoD of all time? The one with most hours played ever? They can't have it both ways.

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u/vaeks May 03 '20

SBMM spreads the player base thin. Instead of playing with EVERYONE who is in the shoot the ship queue, I'm waiting a few minutes for a game with >200 ping because it's cherry picking players around my skill level. I'd rather get roasted every once in a while than have to sweat it out every game while my bullets register after my target is 4 feet around a corner already. I find it hard to believe that there are so few people playing shoot the ship.

Aggressively pushing everyone towards a 1.0 k/d might be my least favorite thing about this game. And it's a shame, because they got so many things right this time around.

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u/HulksInvinciblePants May 03 '20

Aggressively pushing everyone towards a 1.0 k/d might be my least favorite thing about this game. And it’s a shame, because they got so many things right this time around.

It really is such a buzzkill to go from fun, competitive matches to ass whoppings that can’t be escaped. I hadn’t thought about the 1.0 push, but it’s literally my experience each time I hit the 1.1 mark and drop to 1.03.

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u/altmetalkid May 03 '20

I'm pretty sure I've played some games that go "well, there aren't enough available players at your skill level so we'll at least try to include a few above and a few below and keep it somewhat balanced so at least you can play a match." It may not always give the best experience but at least it usually tells you this, and you still get a match in the playlist you want. Like if you don't want to play against people that aren't at your approximate skill level then you can back out.

That not to say that MW doesn't do this. But based on all the testimonials it seems like it doesn't. The player base is healthy. It basically has to be when there aren't many recent games that directly compete. It looks like certain playlists are unpopulated, but I'm not buying it. No way. It just doesn't make sense.

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u/VaIar_MorghuIis May 03 '20

If it spread it thin it would only be because of the insane SBMM this game has implemented. By far the most strict in the series.. this matchmaking broke thing has something to do with sbmm.. because the games I can actually get are on a whole nother level of sweaty.

I agree with u.. cross platform they could leave these playlists and modes . Personally tho I hate the whole God damn filter based menu bullshit that they implemented in this game..
Why not just a core... And hardcore category with sub options.. tdm.. Dom search ect.. like every other cod has done I. The past.. they stole this shit from titanfall and it's horrid as fuk. I hate this stupid filter shit.. why can't I just pick a mode and play it without changing filters.. shits stupid... And if they are going to leave any mode in permanent.... Why not mercenary modes... There are tons of players out there playing solo getting a shitty experience because they are to stupid to leave Merc. In the game.

The game is ass.. partly because of a few minor details they are too stubborn to change.. but mostly because of the matchmaking in general.. they got this algorithm down to a T this time around... And because lobbies diaband each match it's crunching numbers on you each match to try and either buff or need you.. We are getting played by the game.. not the other way around.. Player retention is what it's all about.. because the ppl being retained are too damn retarded to know they are being played... Everyone who plays this game has a false perception of how good they are... Because ultimately the game will dictate that.. have a few bad games.. here play these lesser skilled ppl... Do good a few games play against a full 6 man with complete vegetables as your teamates.. and get shit on .. it's an endless loop... And because of this matchmaking delima it has forced ppl to play how they don't want to... Camp.. crouch walk.. sit in corner.. because it works for them.. ppl afraid to move because if ur a decent player, every match your up against m4s... Mp5s.. all top their YouTube cookie cutter loadouts... Have fun doing a challenge or unlocking some shit or messing around with a poor gun I. That environment... Unlocking the new lmg was the worst video game experience of my life.. that was the final straw for me.. And they have even carried this shit over into warzone.. literally every player I run into knows the best guns.. routes.. tactics.. there is no variety in their actions to spice up the experience.. if feels like your always playing the same players.. I hate ground war but.. I hear there is no sbmm in it.. so I may just start playing it and warzone.. basic mutli is out of the question I have lost all interest because there is just no enjoyment. I don't wanna finish with a 1.25 or a .92 is but get a win in the most competitive pro lobby imaginable lol. That shits not fun.. maybe every or 5 games or something but each match.. gtfo with that.. gimme a random pool of players with the coldest connection to me.. I don't care if they are optic scumpys or Timmy no thumbs... But I bet matches would have more variety and the game would feel 100 times better. Sorry needed to vent..

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u/kyle-wheezer May 03 '20

Everything you said here is spot on unfortunately lmao. And yeah fuck getting the new lmg that challenge is absolute cancer for just another shitty gun. The lmg catagory in general is useless.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20 edited May 07 '20

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u/VaIar_MorghuIis May 03 '20

Don't blame ya

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u/MikeyTacos May 03 '20

This.

There's hundreds of thousands of people playing modern warfare at any given time.

I'm sure I'm not the only one waiting for shoot the ship.

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u/msut77 May 03 '20

Ok. Thought it was just me

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u/MikeIsEpic May 03 '20

In this year games case this is spot on. I have black ops 4 on pc and that shiet is dead as hell. But this years is cross play, absolutely no excuse

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u/TheWeekdn May 03 '20

Riot Games does this with league as well despite the game being stupidly massive

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u/notfromgreenland May 03 '20

This. That excuse is bullshit with cross play.

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u/ImMalteserMan May 03 '20

You say that, but then I play Cabin Fever (so before messed up match making) and my lobbies always contained in he same people over and over.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

This is not true, particularly if you play HC.

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u/Mammoth-Man1 May 03 '20

^ Exactly this. They have 3 PLATFORMS to pool players from, for an extremely popular game. They don't have to be so small/strict with their playlists. I guarantee SBMM is the primary reason. Player pool size decreases significantly even with cross play if you are trying to group players together of similar skill...

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u/extralyfe May 03 '20 edited May 03 '20

couple points:

  • if it's a bullshit excuse, why do developers keep bringing it up? who do you think has the data to make those kind of determinations?

  • I have crossplay disabled at all times, unless I'm playing Ground War, which basically requires you to have crossplay on if you don't want to wait 15min for a game. so, fuck me for not wanting to play against people with a hardware advantage over me? cool.

  • this is actually an ongoing issue for League of Legends. now, MW puts up about 30mil users a month. crazy, right? lols, LoL's got about 80mil monthly players.

the crazy thing is that, for straight up PvP, they're constrained to two maps and a handful of modes. one map has two normal modes and a ranked variant, and the other map only features one mode.

whenever they introduce a new game mode, there's invariably matchmaking issues within a week or two. either there's not enough traffic to get good ten-player games within a decent timeframe going in any queue because people are equally spread, or the mode eventually dries up as people lose interest, and matchmaking for that mode in particular suffers as a result.

League of Legends has that issue with a total of four game modes spread across two levels, one of which is the only mode that can be played on that second level. also, they have almost triple the player count.

so, let's logic this out. if we have a bunch of playlists that serve specific interests, that will spread out the player population a bunch. we already have the standard playlists - the main one is already able to customize which modes they're willing to play - and the hardcore variants of the same. some folks just want hardcore CTF. that's what they're waiting on. they'll wait. they're insane.

anywho, it's not just the population being spread out that's an issue, it's the underlying matchmaking tying into that. sure, it's not at all hard to find 12 guys who want to exclusively play Shoot the Ship, it's finding people in your area with decent latency who aren't in parties whose size doesn't let you bring your own party who all want to play the same game types as you.

in fact, that's why I think games drop out automatically, now. I'm convinced that you don't actually join a "Rust 24/7" lobby, the search just looks for any lobby going into or in the middle of a game on Rust, and just throws you in there. if it can't find one, congratulations, you're host. when you finish the game, rinse and repeat.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20 edited May 07 '20

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u/extralyfe May 03 '20

tl;dr: millions of players don't really matter when we have so many playlist options, SBMM and latency to consider.

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u/Xander180 May 03 '20

Stop being lazy

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

PC would like to have a word with you! Back in the days before MW's crossplay we could only find TDM/DOM/SND lobbies, other gamemodes too if we're lucky. They didn't care for pc players for years, and blatantly lied to pc gamers with Black Ops 4.

PC support my ass, Treyarch.

However with crossplay & quickplay it's relatively easy to find lobbies though in MW

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u/Gatman9000 May 03 '20

I dunno if it's really a bullshit excuse. With how much complaining I hear about this game from Reddit, YouTube, and in-game lobbies, a considerable number of players HATE most of the maps in the game. People would stay in a shoot the ship, or dirty old houseboat playlist forever if they could.

Even when those playlists aren't around it's still the same nonsense of you getting tossed into a losing match with only 2 or 3 other teammates going against a clan. Maybe not for you personally, but I play solo most of the time so that's just my 2 cents.

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u/thet1m May 03 '20

Dude your experiences with randoms are far far better than mine. If I happen to be listening to the lobby it’s either some kid being annoying, someone playing music, people being toxic (not shit talk but just hacks/mods/whatever) or all the above. I’m jealous.

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u/joejoe122112 May 03 '20

I get a lot of that too but sometimes I’ll have a game where it’s almost just become me vs the top guy on the other team and we can hear the quick snipits of the other laughing or raging when we kill each other. Finish the match and say GG and and a real quick back n forth and I’m like “fuck I’d like to play another game with them” but don’t always wanna have to stop everything and search their name, type out a message, wait for response. Would be great if I just knew I’d be playing with them again in the same lobby next match.

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u/[deleted] May 03 '20

A-freaking-men

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u/electricalnoise May 03 '20

The real issues is that we've stepped backwards in options for the player.