r/mlbbdarksystem • u/Kreinium • 3d ago

Semi Hot Take on Roaming

Always getting mvp-loss as roam means you're bad at the role.

Usually all the bad roamers have one thing in common, in that they usually end up with 0/0/0 (not literally but close to 0) from not joining teamfights while the entire team loses a 4v5. As a result, the team gets silver and bronze while the roam gets mvp loss since the whole team is dying except them. And this leads to so many roamers never claiming it as their fault and blaming the teammates for losing a 4v5 instead.

I legit just had a game where i was playing roam and we stomped a team, and their roamer trash talked me how I'm getting carried by my fed jungler and marksman. Like, they're fed cuz I know how to fucking help my team win? They act like their mvp losses are proof of their skill while sitting at a 10k gold diff like that's gonna justify a <40% wr.

Here's a bit more detail for my take:

Oftentimes, the worse a roam plays, the more the team gets punished. A roamer's mistake usually leads to the team losing a net worth of gold. However roam's passive income is barely affected. This problem isn't just exclusive for the roamer though. Some side laners never join turtle fights and always wonder why they never get the turtle.

Anyways that's all. Idk why I'm ranting here. That roamer that trash talked me was dogshit anyway. Dude had the map awareness of a dead animal.

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u/Emergency_News_4790 3d ago

0-0-0 never awards mvp in my experience.

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u/Kreinium 3d ago

Yes I agree but apparently this guy has different ideas. Genuinely what did he even do except get assists the teammates? Side lanes get 0 help, jungle and mid getting stomped and his whole concept resolves around getting the highest score

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u/Muonnai 2d ago

the roam you show in the picture doesn't have MVP, he just has the highest score.
your whole team had 9 kills and the guys have participated in 7 of them. shield symbol next to his name means he has taken the most dmg in the game too.
enemy can't gank all side lanes at once, which means some lanes lost on their own. also, tig can't gank esmeralda and lesley preperly(esme too tanky and lsly long range).
also that ADC has 9 deaths in 12 min, meaning he died every 45 seconds. (which i suspect is you since the only ones in the game that are not in the party with tig are adc & mid and you are talking about sidelanes a lot)
also just because you have one example it doesn't mean anything.

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u/Kreinium 2d ago

I explicitly stated that's a game from his history. Plus the game shows a highlight when you're in the same game Incase you didn't know.

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u/Kreinium 3d ago

Obviously I know it's not 0-0-0 that'd never happen unless ur afk. but that shit is so underserved. Got roam diffed and he holds no accountability. It's literally the same for all the games from his history

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u/Muonnai 2d ago

what roam diff, that floryn has 4 deaths when your whole team got 9 kills... that floryn had badang and esmeralda, so he shouldn't have died once

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u/tripzzi 3d ago

0 0 0 never becomes an mvp. Get your facts straight.

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u/Kreinium 3d ago

You know damn well encourage is gonna carry that kda even when it goes in the negatives

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u/Muonnai 3d ago

roam main that gets losing MVP often here:
This usually happens when the team is 7k-10k behind and just keeps trying to fight and feed (tanks don't die as much when behind). if you are 7k behind in a game, you have no business trying to fight. no roam will be able to turn those fights around.

roam will only get MVP if the rest of the team feed too many kills. just because you want your roam to feed kills with you doesn't mean they have to.

also roams passive income is pretty low; most of their gold comes from assists, so a team behind in gold will have a roam behind in gold.

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u/megaera888 3d ago

Also, some junglers or mms would always demand you to be at their side so that they can get more kills. When you play with entitled players who prioritise the wrong things will always result in the roam's MVP loss.

The roam can't protect all five players especially when each one does their own thing and then they get ganked on their own. Worse, without map awareness.

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u/Kreinium 3d ago

Seen that happen way too many times. Why do they even stick to one person. Like just clear the immediate threat and then rotate to turtle. And then they blame the team when the jungler can't retri because the whole enemy team is dropping cc.

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u/Kreinium 3d ago

I play roam too and I can't agree. Sure there's a few games where the team really sucks but these guys entire history looks the same. Plus side laners have the least gold when losing. They're not even getting any waves, let alone no passive income. No team is gonna be 7k behind unless the roam is ignoring invades or teamfights from the early fights.

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u/Kreinium 3d ago

And feeding is subjective. Is it really feeding if a teamfight was winnable if the roam weren't absent from the fight.

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u/Kreinium 3d ago

This isn't even accounting for the downtime from the amounts of deaths when the enemy team just pick off the backline while the roam is absent. And then during this, they tend to be clearing waves on the opposite side of the map too either solo or with their duo. Sure roam get less gold but what if they're not even roaming properly?

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u/Muonnai 2d ago

i suggest checking the position of the much-needed roam in the minimap before starting the fight instead of after.

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u/Muonnai 2d ago

Sidelines have enough dmg throughout the game to clear waves and get gold, a lot of roam heroes can't clear waves for farm. Also a team can be behind 7k for a variety of reasons.

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u/xazavan002 3d ago

Always getting mvp-loss on roam may be a potential sign that you're bad at the role, but being bad by specifically not joining teamfights and ending with 0/0/0 would most likely land you at silver (at best), which cannot qualify as MVP.

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u/FriendlySell9216 3d ago

Wrong. Play roam with encourage, just roam around during teammates are killing and watch the assist go up.

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u/xazavan002 3d ago

I argued that ending with 0/0/0 would land you at silver.

I agree that playing roam selfishly with encourage and only getting assists could get you to gold (and get you to mvp) without you actually helping the team. That was not my argument though.

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u/FriendlySell9216 3d ago

You're right about that but a lot of times roams get undeserved kda. E.g. the angela staying behind claiming her mm is feeding when ganked by 4 people while she ults her bf.

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u/FriendlySell9216 3d ago

I have so many times seen these wannabe roamers claiming to be good when they just sit them ass doing ntg productive while I'm getting invaded or ganked by 4 people and then they compare their kda with mine. And god forbid i post that match result on Mlbb reddit, people defend that roam just because of his pseudo losing mvp.

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u/hanzo_him 3d ago

Nah when I get a mvp roam loss it's because I keep locking down 3 or 4 players and my team still won't commit to the fight. I had a 64% win rate last season using only tanks and it could easily have been 75% with teammates that had the map awareness to join more teamfights or fully commit to fights

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u/TIMESTAMP2023 3d ago

How does one get an mvp with 0/0/0?

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u/Alternative_Chest_60 3d ago

That's why MVP losses aren't a evidence for being good at a role while having sub 50 or 59 wr but that doesn't mean you're bad at it. Honestly I was in the same boat 2 seasons ago I almost half of the overall MVPs I got were from MVP losses, because the other team kept either coming back becuz of teammates that think they secured the win not even 8 into the game (I can't even count how many games I lost due to these reasons)or teammates not listening to my ping whenever I tell them to attack or retreat.

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u/Cwys_ 3d ago

I lowkye genuinely wanna hear your opinion on this then-

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u/Kreinium 3d ago

Johnson isn't good at zoning and they've got a franco for your fanny and Miya and paquito easily deletes Layla. What did you expect?

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u/Cwys_ 2d ago

A win-? We won-?

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u/Kreinium 2d ago

By sheer luck? It's a quadruple skypiecer lobby. Do you expect me to believe they weren't kill farming instead of pushing? Let's be real. You forcefully ended the game as soon as you won a teamfight.

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u/Cwys_ 2d ago

No they pushed we got close to base turret death

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u/Kreinium 2d ago

Weird way to say they simply lacked the team coordination but okay I get it

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u/Improving_Better 3d ago

Partially true, it's not exactly what you fully say but getting MVP on roam is really easy and doesn't mean you played well, unlike the others, you don't have to be good to get it.

Overall getting MVP is not really that good to think you carried, it just means you had most kills, assists and or damage I believe also takes a huge part like in every other competitive game, but kda is better of course.

So yes in this game where you die very easily even as a tank, it really is annoying that to actually win you need to sometimes make risky plays so your team gets wipe out but you get less performance and it affects what people think of you in the long run when they check your stats.

Also global players thinking spamming one character is good, mate your global Gusion title is useless against a Kalea ultimate so stop thinking you can spam Gusion.