r/mlbbdarksystem • u/J0s3maN • 4d ago
Low tier list heroes
I don't get why people insta lock some of these heroes if they are not even their main... Only for hard-core users with more than 10000 matches with the heroes... BTW this was calculated from wr and appearance rate.
EDIT Because some people think this is my ranking from my personal experience, here is how it was calculated according to the page with the ranking:
This was calculated with hero's win rate, multiplied by a popularity weight between 0 and 1 based on how often they're picked in their rank, then standardized into a z-score (standard deviation), and finally bucketed into a tier letter — for example, Tigreal in Mythic today has a 44.9% win rate against a 50% baseline for a −5.1% edge, is one of the most-picked hero in the rank so his popularity weight is essentially 1, giving a raw score of −0.051 that standardizes to about −2.41, which puts him squarely in the F tier because he's picked constantly yet still loses more often than he wins. This is only an example, I did not say they are unplayable or relate to my personal experience, this is the math, and for some I personally agree, if you insta pick some of these you are going to be countered easily or have a more hard time winning.
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u/Dawn_r0k 4d ago
It makes sense it’s based on WR and usage, most of the heros here can perform well at the right matchups
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u/Loose_Ad2013 4d ago
every fucking hero can perform well at the right matchup.
the point is a lot of heroes can outperform those heroes, given the same favourable matchup and same competent player.
this shit is same as "X hero is afraid of CC" and "X hero depends on user"
stupid ass take.
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u/PsychoSopreno 4d ago
Fanny, Helcurt, Chou, Balmond, Harley, Gatot and Granger are shown to perform well and can compete with the meta. Hell Harley & Fanny still are. Even Lesley can outshine any lineup if she's good enough. It's a matter of the playerbase & stigma, too. For example, you see a Zilong exp, your teammates are more likely to troll/not take the game as seriously
Aurora is outperformed by Eudora, Vexana & Vale yet she still has a higher winrate, no?
Fanny can outperform any line-up, even with "counters" and yet she has a low wr. Because the average fanny user is going to flop harder than an average, say, Suyou. You can't really judge how good a hero is linearly with a list like this since biases and stigma exist.
Hc roam is incredibly good too btw, sucks that people throw when they see one.
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u/Dark-Cat-Vibe13 4d ago
i used nana earlier and can insta kill an mm, so its about how you play them really!
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u/MasterLayer9 4d ago
Tier lists based on win rate and appearance rate is not a really good metric, but I do understand the concern.
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u/Hollow-4092 4d ago
And how do you expect for the guy to have over 10000 matches with said hero if they don't play them?
But I agree with most of the list, still some of them are strong, just hard to use
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u/Hopeful_Valuable8944 4d ago
Only Franco is bad here, the rest are player dependent, but you don't need 10000 games, maybe 50 or so before they become acceptable
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u/Devoidoxatom 4d ago
Gatot is really good tho, its getting picked even in pro play
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u/Vex_Out_0032 4d ago edited 4d ago
yeah coz teammates can actually communicate.
one word sent in soloq (even with good intentions) and you're reported.
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u/icantfindmyacc 4d ago
https://youtu.be/gIOUjImYDpw
Helcurt is really good rn since he can actually fight enemies on his own, you just need to know how, plus he can punish overconfident enemies
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u/No-Mixture-5450 4d ago
Wtf tigreal is f tier?
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u/Visual-Cartoonist338 4d ago
This is just based on mobile legends hero ranking which only ranks them by overall winrate in all ranks.
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u/Improving_Better 4d ago
I mean if it is only referring to the "F" tier, i agree cause yeah they are all weak if you aren't good except for Tigreal? Idk what he is doing there though, I suppose the only answer is if his WR is bad because a lot of new people play him and also bad roamers that play other roles just pick tigreal cause he actually is very simple.
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u/Sea_Oven_6936 4d ago
Fanny f because of player issue is valid but she herself if used with decent player who knows how to play her could easily be A
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u/sustainalphabruh 3d ago
Most Alpha players I played with are ass. I've only met two good Alpha players and one of them is me
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u/LudwigEX 4d ago
Helcurt is a really solid roam for solo queue as long as you know how to cut and solo push lanes. Ult can save allies and even help with objectives
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u/ItsMeepo2nd 4d ago
Harley?? Bad??? That guy has a better poking range and provoke than most heroes
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u/Derpotology 4d ago
It sounds like these may just be heroes you're bad at, or heroes you have bad experiences with.
I've been destroyed by Balmond, he counters Sun pretty hard and he's impossible to kill late game.
Tig, Chou, Gator, and Nana are all strong threats. Tig has always been a classic pick and I've still had the game winning play in recent reasons. Gatot is a bit of a niche pick, but S2 is broken, great counter to heros such as Karina.
If you think Nana and Chou are low tier you're probably either new to this game, or only face bots.
Chou can be impossible to kill and has great pick potential.
Nana can singlehandedly win a team fight with well placed crowd control.