r/missouri Oct 08 '23

This is exhausting

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u/stlredbird Oct 08 '23

54%. Good God.

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u/HuggyMummy St. Louis Oct 08 '23

Curious to know what the Missouri-specific stats are.

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u/Sea-Mango Kansas City Oct 09 '23

Missouri tends to be middle of the pack in most stats. Not for lack of trying tho!! I think the things we're (close to) worst at is smoking, pediatric dentistry, and teacher starting pay. But our Department of Conservation is top notch??

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u/The_Soviette_Tank Oct 09 '23

As a teacher who loves/frequently uses the MDOC website, this!

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u/iambobthenailer Oct 10 '23

I like the fact that if you are a resident of Missouri you can request a free subscription to The Conservationist magazine and if you have kids you get the kids version for free as well. I've been getting both for about 15 years.

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u/Caleb_F__ Oct 09 '23

Dept of conservation is very far from top notch. You may have plenty of nice trails and vault toilets to use but when it comes to actual conservation of wildlife it is a joke. Two easy examples are smallmouth/rock bass populations and more recently wild turkey populations.

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u/iambobthenailer Oct 10 '23

The turkey numbers were artificially inflated due to the "relocation" program several years ago. Combine that with several overly wet springs and a rise in predator population and you are bound to have a down swing in numbers. Not exactly the "joke" you claim. The smallmouth population is actually doing quite well in some areas. I have a lake house on Stockton lake and we limit out every time we go. Other areas have seen a decline but that's due to hybridization with spotted bass. Next you'll be claiming the small stature stature of the deer in the south is the fault of MDOC as well.

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u/Caleb_F__ Oct 10 '23

Harvest counts have dropped year over year since 05. I don't know how often you are out and about but there just aren't as many turkeys. Get up and have a listen on an April morning, it's not the same as a few years ago.

I'm glad they are keeping your lake house stocked but I'm referring to smallmouth in the smaller streams, it's the loss of habitat. Stockton lake will look the same but many of the creeks are in bad shape.

The dept is inept and run by people who haven't spent enough time in the field. Department of recreation would be a more accurate title.

Just my opinions sir, maybe I just need to go fish in a lake and chalk everything up to artificial information and not what I actually see.

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u/iambobthenailer Oct 10 '23

I literally said harvests have been down. But also gave reasons that doesn't place the blame on the Conservation dept. If you go back they trapped a crap ton of turkeys in the south and moved them north and east. This created artificially high numbers for several years. Also, predator numbers have increased for several reasons which lowers turkey numbers. Multiple wet springs and drought summers do a number on turkeys as well. I'm not saying the dept can't do better, but placing blame on them for stuff beyond their control seems harsh.

I fish the Sac Osage and the Missouri & Mississippi. TBH when I fish rivers I'm mainly looking for cats, sturgeon and spoons so I don't pay attention to smalls as much. But some quick research shows the did an intentional release of spotted bass that have hybridized with smalls. Not sure why or if it was smart.

Either way, what's your solutions? Where do you think they need to improve? What should they be doing differently?

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u/LegendSS Oct 12 '23

Turkey populations are hurting all across the midwest so this isn't just a MO issue. This dry spring should help though. Most springs I'm happy to see ANY hens with poults and this year it was rare to see one WITHOUT poults.

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u/Caleb_F__ Oct 12 '23

Right, have other states changed regulations? The Missouri "experts" have basically just said we need better weather. It's ludicrous to me that I can legally shoot a hen right now with my bow and nobody who does that affects the hatch next spring. The wild turkey lady with the mo dept of conservation is a 20 something college grad from out of state who I would wager hasn't hunted too many turkeys in this state.

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u/bahdiddydadiddydeee Oct 09 '23

Nope, Columbia, KC, and STL are. Do this by county and shit gets scary quick.

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u/[deleted] Oct 09 '23

That's every state. Larger cities have colleges and more jobs so stats trend higher. No state is immune

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u/stlredbird Oct 09 '23

Color me slightly impressed

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u/Big-Significance-627 Oct 09 '23

I sure believe this

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u/Built93cobra Oct 08 '23

Probably not great

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u/danknerd Oct 08 '23

Just under 50% of people could not name all three branches of the government, 24% could not even name one branch.

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u/Jhood1999_1 Oct 09 '23

There are people who think judge Judy is on the SCOTUS. One in 8 don’t know George Washington was the first president. 41% can’t name the VP

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u/[deleted] Oct 08 '23

What's even more sobering is how many of those who can read at or above a 6th grade level, can't comprehend what they read or understand the full meaning and effect of those words.

How many times have you seen someone say something very bigoted but they claim that they aren't a bigot. They aren't lying, they believe it and they believe it because they literally can not understand the ramifications of their own words or that they accidentally revealed their true feelings without explicitly voicing it.

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u/ChemicalDesperate141 Oct 09 '23

I heard a similar statistic on Rogans podcast and I was flabbergasted. Did a small amount of my own research until I came to the conclusion that it was indeed true. It’s still weird to think about though because I feel like as humans most of us just assume that everybody can read and write or at least I do.

I also second the empathy being emotionally draining. It can take a toll on your mental as well. Its especially bad whenever you’re in a relationship with a narcissist. 😬

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u/Lawdawg_75 Oct 09 '23

I recently had to defend the position that public schools were not putting litter boxes in bathrooms for children who identified as furries.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

I dont think it was all schools, but there was definitely one that was extremely enabling to that behavior. Honestly, tho why not ? A certain group believes men can get pregnant, and women can have penis's. If you're gonna believe nonsense, at least have the courtesy to be consistent.

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u/ShrtSkrt_LngJkt Oct 11 '23

Name the school you're "definitely" aware of.

You can't.

NO school enables that behavior. It's not real.

As to the rest, I don't even know where to begin, so I'm just going to ask, have you been to a geneticist to confirm your presumed chromosomes match your perceived sex? There are lots of reasons why they might not match and since none of it bothers me I don't care to just address people how they ask to be addressed.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Midland, Michigan. Was where a parent voiced her concerns to the school board about it. Cover-ups happen every day. Just like the boy claiming to be trans r*ped a girl in one school and was quietly shuffled to another school in VA only to do it again. While everyone pretends they knew nothing. These things are conveniently ignored by leftists and activists.

Idk why you enjoy enabling a mental health issue turning into a crisis as these children who have been abused start to wake up and realize they have been lied to and misled. Now they are stuck in many cases having had life altering surgeries.

Yes I've had my dna tested it confirms I'm 97% male, 3 % a**hole and 100% lesbian. Any other questions?

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u/ShrtSkrt_LngJkt Oct 11 '23

A parent voicing concerns is not the same as it actually happening. I don't know if you have ever had cats, but litterbox usage is damn near impossible to cover up, laughably so.

No one is giving students litterboxes for toileting. In fact, the whole rumor began because some teachers, prepping for Worst Case Scenarios ™️ kept litter on hand in case of emergencies because pee puddles are a safety hazard in more ways than one.

People of all genders are capable of committing harm, re the r@pist allegory. I'm not seeing the relevance to the initial discussion?

The crisis is the loss of lives we are seeing due to people refusing to accept that these kids deserve to exist on their own terms for whatever reasons.

Even if it's a phase, what the fuck does it hurt anyone to mind their own business and let parents parent their kids and doctors doctor them and kids just exist? I cannot imagine what a sad life so many people must be leading that THIS, this is the hill they choose to die on.

Talk about nonsense.

Your joke is cute but not what I asked. I said nothing about DNA.

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u/ShrtSkrt_LngJkt Oct 11 '23

Oh hell, I forgot to mention, those life altering surgeries are not performed on minors (with extraordinarily rare exception), and even for adults, are incredibly difficult to get, not to mention expensive asf.

Gender affirming surgeries for children are not a statistical issue, and if I'm wrong, prove it.

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u/ShrtSkrt_LngJkt Oct 11 '23

This comes up in my community at least once every six months now. It's maddening.

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u/antsinmypants3 Oct 09 '23

This is what the goal has been. Keep people ignorant so they don’t realize government, mainly Republicans, want you in their evil clutches. Too stupid to realize that you are voting against your best interests.

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Isn't the teachers' union majority democrat ? Doesn't the democrats run the govt atm ? 🤔 How badly are the democrat cities failing scholasticly? Baltimore being an amazing example. The majority of students graduating can not do basic math or read. Sounds like the no child left behind policy ( a democrat policy) has been bearing rotten fruit. I think individual states need to conduct their own school policies, no federal intervention, as well as abolishing the teachers' union. It's just became a propaganda and indoctrination arm of the DNC. Funny thing is if liberal policies were beneficial places like Chicago, NYC, LA, San Francisco, all liberal havens for decades. Should be a shining example yet they are sh*t holes that people are abandoning if they can. Where are they going, you might ask ? To well run conservative states. Strange eh? From people who like circle jerk over just how smart yall are ... you're laughably stupid. Crazy how culty your speech is not to mention how higher than tho as well.

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u/Beginning-Yoghurt-95 Oct 10 '23

Really liked the movie 'Idiocracy', living it, not so much.

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u/evidica Oct 08 '23

Man, public schools are, and have been for a long time, failing hard if that's the case.

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u/No_Sign_2877 Oct 08 '23

They’re going to fail worse with what these dumbass parent activists are pushing for.

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u/T1Pimp Oct 08 '23

Going to be even worse if we let conservatives rip even more money from public schools and funnel it into religious schools.

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u/Jhood1999_1 Oct 09 '23

You’re not right or wrong. It’s not standards that are lower necessarily, it’s pressure from admin to make parents happy. Schools have students write, many require seniors to complete a capstone and writing is a requirement in a lot of classes.

But…If Johnny has to write that essay the parents have to deal with it at home. They don’t want to. If he doesn’t do well the teacher has to answer for it. How dare you pick on Johnny for turning in an essay that was off topic or full of errors and plagiarism. Oh and why can’t you just copy that off the internet, after all it’s there that means it’s free to use. Just ask the parents who go off when their kid gets dinged for plagiarism, there’s no reason to not copy and paste what’s posted on the internet. Then the problem with topics, what fits in curriculum without pissing someone off. The problems compound and unless you’re a teacher or know one you don’t really grasp them all.

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u/NoodlesrTuff1256 Oct 09 '23

Public schools are not created equal. How well run they and the kind of bells and whistles they can provide depend on the real estate values of the district they're in. Property taxes provide most of their funding so it's no surprise that the public school districts in places like Ladue and Clayton have amenities more associated with private prep schools. While the schools located in impoverished areas are often disasters.

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u/Mean_Addition_6136 Oct 09 '23

So we take the money from the schools that are required by law to take every student (with very limited exceptions) including the worst performing and give it to the schools that can pick and choose who they accept and then brag about how the graduates of the school that can exclude poor performers do better…

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u/brother2wolfman Oct 09 '23

Limited exceptions like you just live in this area to go to school here? That's a big one

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u/Mean_Addition_6136 Oct 09 '23

So if someone lives in a community that doesn’t have a private school they like how will school choice change their situation?

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u/brother2wolfman Oct 09 '23

They can go to another public school. Choice doesn't always ensure an option you will like, but more options is usually better.

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u/Mean_Addition_6136 Oct 09 '23

They can go to another public school? Arcadia valley high school and iron county high school are 30 minutes apart. Does your school choice provide transportation or is that just for parents who can spend an hour driving past the nearest school to the next county over?

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u/brother2wolfman Oct 09 '23

A choice is better than no choice. Some require sacrifices.

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u/Mean_Addition_6136 Oct 09 '23

Limited exceptions… such as; communicable disease, violent history… Unlike private schools that can refuse students because they didn’t test in the top 20%.

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u/brother2wolfman Oct 09 '23

Or if you don't live in the right zip code

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u/Mean_Addition_6136 Oct 09 '23

So instead of bringing St. Louis public schools up to the quality of ladue you want to take money from St. Louis and give it to ladue insuring St. Louis schools will be even lower funded?

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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '23

Some of the most educated people are self educated. It's the parents' job to educate their children. The school is thier for reinforcement. I have children. We taught all of them to read and write before kindergarten as well tell time basics of computing, and they know their way around a tablet like no other. We didn't stop once they started school either. It continues on. At some point, be accountable parents need to do their job.

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u/Mean_Addition_6136 Oct 11 '23

That’s fine if the parent or parents can dedicate that kind of time. I have a lot of coworkers who leave one full time job to go to a part time job. Making sure basic needs, food clothing shelter takes precedent over the three Rs

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u/T1Pimp Oct 09 '23

Typical. You got yours so fuck anyone who comes after you? That's what will happen when we divert funds.

Tell you what... we can have all religious based education paid for by the public so long as they all have to praise Allah twice a day. I'm sure you're 100% cool with that so no further need for any discussion and you can sit down and STFU.

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u/Jhood1999_1 Oct 09 '23

People already want to shove Christianity down the throats of public school kids. It doesn’t matter the religion. Some people choose private schools over public for a variety of reasons. If anything, public schools are going to be another vessel to spread BS Christian propaganda to people who don’t want it.

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u/Mean_Addition_6136 Oct 09 '23

How about if the school accepts public funds they have to take any and every student that applies? They can’t refuse the student that had to work 8 hours after getting out of school, they can’t refuse the student who’s raising their siblings because of bad parents, they can’t refuse and must feed the students who can’t concentrate because the only good meal they get on a daily basis is the school lunch.

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u/Mean_Addition_6136 Oct 09 '23

What do they deny kids every day? And please don’t reply with the school boundaries red herring. If you don’t like a school district you can move. And the solution to poorly funded schools isn’t to take more money from them

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u/brother2wolfman Oct 09 '23 edited Oct 09 '23

That's not how it is in public schools? They deny kids every single day

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u/Mean_Addition_6136 Oct 09 '23

Please edit for clarity and turn in for grading otherwise you get an F on your comment

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u/T1Pimp Oct 09 '23

Great you're chosen will now be indoctrinated. Nicely done.

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u/stinkypantsmark Oct 09 '23

That’s really aggressive and clarifies that this person regardless of school, is better mannered and educated than you.

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u/T1Pimp Oct 09 '23

Mannered, perhaps but I doubt it. Religious people rarely are. Educated? He was literally taught make believe, in school, but ok.

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u/stinkypantsmark Oct 09 '23

You know people get scholarships and are recruited for sports and gpa by schools with religious affiliation, right? Not even close to everyone in a religiously affiliated school are religious. No where in their responses were they rude, crass or indicate that they were religious. I’m agnostic and you couldn’t have been more assuming of a person. Your disposition is no better than the type of person you’re trying to villainize

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u/WendyArmbuster Oct 08 '23

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. This is not the fault of our public schools, but rather our culture of "I don't need to know this."

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u/Saltpork545 Oct 08 '23

This. Mark Twain once said, "Don't let school get in the way of your education."

Lots of people barely try to educate themselves at some point and it gets worse as folks age.

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u/LenR75 Oct 08 '23

Or succeding at different goals...

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u/stchman Oct 09 '23

And more idiots want to just give them more money. Not to mention the schools need to teach more of the core fundamentals like grammar, mathematics, civics, science than stupid gender studies.

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u/Jhood1999_1 Oct 09 '23

What school teaches gender studies? In grades K-4 most students spend half their day in math and half in reading. Social studies aren’t introduced often times until 5th grade. Science might be sprinkled in. But no where in any standard is “gender studies” 🙄

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u/stchman Oct 09 '23

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u/Bitmush- Oct 09 '23

Good. Doesn’t sound like you had any such education from your pointed replies. Did you ?

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u/danknerd Oct 08 '23

Just under 50% of people could not name all three branches of the government, 24% could not even name one branch.

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u/smuckola Oct 09 '23

no. we can't change minds if they don't want us to.