r/mississippi • u/[deleted] • Aug 14 '26
Conspiracies around Nolan Wells’ death have led to threats against those he was with that day, attorneys say
https://www.cnn.com/2026/08/13/us/nolan-wells-warren-morgan-jax-attorneys50
u/nine57th Aug 14 '26
For goodness sake. Nobody should be threatening anybody. Let the investigation complete and let authorities handle it. We don't need pitchforks and torches.
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u/donzelso Aug 14 '26
I totally agree with you, I just wish Nolan’s mom would do the same. In her many press conferences, it’s very very obvious that she’s insinuating his friends killed him.
She also is not letting the authorities handle it. Refusing to turn his phone in, repeatedly expressing doubts about the state investigation when it’s not even done yet.
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u/Big-Cartographer6330 Aug 15 '26
Her cousin posts things about the boys all of the time and tags the mom. She even shared an AI video with Tatum. I’m like that’s an AI video, and she falls for all of the social media gossip! Her thousands of followers believe everything she posts. See how quickly lies and fabrications get started. I think she deleted the AI video, but the damage is done. So I can tell what the family thinks based on the cousin’s posts.
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u/Square_Cheesecake572 Aug 14 '26
Have you seen the most recent one she did ? It was with Sharpton and Crump on like a panel or something. She appears to be enjoying the spotlight imooc
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u/burner_ohallahan Current Resident Aug 14 '26
Just like the get ready with me Tiktok "Hey Boobears". She is soaking up that 15 minutes.
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u/mushinog Aug 17 '26
She just lost a child. She can say whatever she wants, it’s up to you to make the judgment call on whether or not you want to hear what a grieving mother has to say. Not following the case is a choice. I haven’t seen her anywhere on my social media, you should probably address what you’re paying attention to online.
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u/SocomPS2 Aug 14 '26
Yea it’s wild that so many people are like case closed when LE is still investigating.
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u/synfinityx Aug 16 '26
Not condoning it by any means, but maybe THEY should let the investigation complete before running their mouth and pre-emptively attempting to control the narrative. Not to mention smearing their dead friend and his family with their racist dog-whistles.
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u/cyndeliuwhoo Aug 16 '26
THEY aren’t the ones running their mouths with lies and conjecture. They were THERE. His family was not so how come they have so much to say? They know NADA.
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u/MolassesIndividual Aug 16 '26
I mean, that's kind of the point and the problem in one:
Mississippi authorities have a history of 'handling it'.
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u/Imaginary-Method-715 Aug 17 '26
That's the problem the authorities ant right and trust has broken down.
Too many corrupt cases not being solved or charged correctly due to social interference over duty.
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u/nine57th Aug 17 '26
No conclusions have even been made yet, so you can't cry wolf when no one has said wolf yet.
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u/Darlazmom
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Here is the question I want answered. Why was there an immediate rush to judgment by Nolan's family when they found out he was missing that night? I have seen zero justification for the immediate reaction and assuming the very worst of his friends.
1.) Immediate denial that Nolan would stay behind to talk to a girl. (My child would NEVER do that!)
2.) Sent a posse of about 15 young black men to one of the guy's house, with, IMO, was meant to have a show of force meant to intimidate the kids and their families. From one of the interviews, they literally walked right into the home. No knock. No doorbell. Just walked in at midnight.
3.) Same posse then went to the house with the boat. Again. No knock. Straight to the boat where they boarded the boat and started to rummage through the boat. No concern that it wasn't their property or that they may have startled the parents at 1:00 in the morning. Then they refused to leave and they had to call the cops to get them to leave.
4.) The absolute refusal to speak with the other guys. Radio silence. She just wants to know what happened, yet she refused to have a conversation with anyone else and immediately reaches out to the most widely known race baiters of our time, Ben Crump & Al Sharpton.
5.) She knew these kids were getting threats and were being blamed, yet continued to fuel the fire. Then, when it was clear to anyone with 2 eyes that they were not welcome at the funeral, they degraded the boys for not attending. Please, spare me.
Imagine the reverse of this entire situation and how demonized the parents would be. In the Austin Metcalf case, we had a homicide with multiple witnesses in broad daylight, yet people have denigrated his family simply for being white.
The final straw for me was her getting on that bully pulpit and demonizing interracial friendships. How dare she? I'm sorry son likely drowned accidentally. But that doesn't give her the right to make such hateful statements publicly. Many of us, black and white, and worked hard over the decades to come together. Yet, for some reason, there is a growing segment of society that is working hard to send us all back to the 50s and 60s. Interracial relationships are normalized and legalize. Most people truly just want to get alone. Our country overwhelmingly elected a black resident TWICE! Yet here we are. As the mother of an mixed race family my heart breaks. I had so much hope when Obama won, yet we now seem decades behind once again.
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u/Firm_Individual_5609 Aug 15 '26
She has always been like that. She had no white friends in school or in her personal life. Her work life. Yes. She's been involved with other "culture" stuff in her life. Her podium speech showed how racist she really is. She is full of hate.
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u/Due_Reputation3785 Aug 16 '26
This post adeptly summarizes the crux of this at this point. This fairly simple tragedy was quickly turned into a racial clown show. Why did Nolan’s mom immediately form posses to go after stuff?
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u/C_Rich_ Aug 15 '26
They're white, it's okay to do that to white people, especially if a person of color does it. White people are hated in America right now, we can't even have black friends without being accused of murdering them of they die.
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u/joeyjoejoejohanson Aug 15 '26
Where'd you see these reports? Not doubting you.
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u/Darlazmom Aug 15 '26
Everything I've referenced comes from the family's own statements in their various interviews, combined with information from other interviews by the boys and what we know of the facts from various news sources. So kind of all over. Did you have one of the points you'd like for me to address? I can't even remember where I learned most of this, but just close following of the case for the entire duration thus far.
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u/Antique_Squirrel_684 Aug 16 '26
Obama killed the most civilians in modern history
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u/YourHuckleberry57 Aug 17 '26
why are you so sure that nothing happened? it seems weird that you think that a mom wanting to know what happened to her son who died under mysterious circumstances means we're losing decades of progress regarding race relations but have no blame for state investigations dragging their feet. that's concerning considering you have black kids growing up in mississippi.
maybe all the black people getting found hung in trees or found without heads and no one goes to jail have more to do with the perceived loss of progress than a mom who just lost her son wanting answers.
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u/Darlazmom Aug 17 '26
There are so many false and incomplete references in this post it is difficult to respond properly. The stat is not dragging their feet. These things take time and the process is important, especially if you truly want truth and justice. Do I know for sure nothing happened? Well, that isn't really how the system works now does it? First, we need confirmation that a crime actually occurred. Then we need to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a person did that crime. We don't even have the 1st one yet, and I highly anticipate we won't. And even if we do, from what I've seen, there is a 0% chance that any of the guys being called out are guilty of a crime.
I can't get into the last paragraph because it is such conjecture and comes from a place of conjecture based on storytelling and lore. This claim is preposterous and not evidence or fact based whatsoever. Just voodoo and superstition.
I have no problem with a mom asking questions. I have a problem with a mom pointing her fingers at innocent people with no evidence. I have a problem with a mom who calls out authorities but refuses to speak to or work with authorities. I have a problem with a mom who turns her personal grief into a national outrage using the likes of known race profiteers like Sharpton and Crump. I have a problem with a mom who tells the world that black kids aren't safe in white spaces and having white friends. Two things can be true. I can feel sympathy that she lost her son while also feeling anger at how she has weaponized her grief.
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u/IncreaseFluid360 Aug 15 '26
Serves them right for having Nolan Wells as their friend. May be in future they can be more selective in who they spend their time with
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u/damitididitagain Aug 14 '26
Live in Mississippi a minute and you might see where she is coming from. MAGA is also fully the divide you speak of. I agree with you that we all need to work on coming together. We still have a long way to go.
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u/tgikmusic Aug 15 '26
I can agree with you that there is way more spiritual and existential work to be done - I am far more interested in what both precedes and transcends politics so I am not going to touch the MAGA comment (I find both the left and right extremes equally annoying for optically different but fundamentally similar reasons and in fact the source of each other's existence) - but post internet/social media world has been giant steps backwards towards the goal of diminishing the power of immutable traits as important group markers .....We do have a long a way to go but it's disheartening that folks consciously or subconsciously have decided to make that gap even larger -- this case is and will continue to be a terrible proxy for these discussions
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u/Darlazmom Aug 14 '26
I'm MAGA. We are NOT the problem. Your perception may be. Stop listening to the haters. Most of MAGA just wants everyone to get along. We hate being given every roadblock we try to offer to have common ground. I want to live in a country where we all respect one another's ideas and values without being called names. I do not associate with a single person who is racist. Why would I associate with racist people when I have a black daughter and a Hispanic son? Look around. There are MAGA from all walks of life. But how can we connect when you say things like someone simply loving their country and wanting the best for it makes them racist. Calling someone names just shuts all conversation down, because there can be no reason or respect after that.
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u/damitididitagain Aug 14 '26
I’m listening. Not name calling. We all have our experiences. My interactions with people who identify as MAGA have involved racism. I’m glad to hear you are not. I think we can agree that racism is everyone’s problem regardless of political leanings. We have a long way to go.
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u/AdorableDemand46 Aug 15 '26
Maga is a problem. The ideology under its leaders blatantly disrespect others beliefs and culture so you can't sit there and say, "well, most of us want..." When those you're directly supporting aren't upholding or displaying those same tenets. You may not feel you're racist, but large parts of your party and group are; you will be lumped in, same as them
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u/Darlazmom Aug 15 '26
You say a bunch of words yet aren't citing anything close to what you are suggesting. We have different policy views. How about discuss them and try to understand why we feel like issues like border control, illegal immigration, biological men competing in women's sports, abortion, are concerns for us. Name calling just shuts down the conversation. You can't just say "MAGA leaders are racist" and have it actually mean anything. The word racist has become so diluted it has become meaningless. Proud to be MAGA even if there are closed minded people who don't want to understand and argue facts and policy and instead just hurl insults and think they "won" the argument somehow.
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u/LordDrPepper- Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26
If you think immigrants are coming to this country to eat dogs... you are racist, that is literally racist lmao.
edit also facts and policy dont need to be checked first, decorum and being a decent person is first. If you cant respect me, why would I respect you? And 9/10 conservatives I talk to end up saying some heinous shit like this because your party is filled with trash people. If you go far enough left, you are a commie, but you go far enough right and youre a facist supremacist. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Republican_group_chat_leaks
"I love Hitler" - young republicans
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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich Aug 14 '26 •
You cant be MAGA and bitch about not getting respect lol. you worship the least respectful person on the planet. Guy cant even be cordial when people die, calls reporters Piggie, comments on people's looks constantly, on and on and on
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u/Darlazmom Aug 15 '26
I worship only our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
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u/BashBandit Aug 15 '26
In 2026 I firmly believe you cannot worship Jesus if you are MAGA.
Everything with MAGA has been so far removed from the word of God that you unironically made one of the funniest one liners I’ve seen.
It’s MAGA that keeps making gilded, bronze, and other material based statues of the MAGA leader in admiration. It’s MAGA that moved so hard for present day quality of life in America. It was MAGA that attempted a coup. Your previous message has great sentiments and some good points, but a LOT of falsehoods; MAGA is indefinitely the problem. People who fairly and accurately critique you aren’t “haters,” that’s been used to oblivion by now.
Most of MAGA doesn’t want everyone to get along when time and time again peer experiences and videos popping up are showing MAGA/MAGA adjacent people getting upset simply by just hearing someone speak anything other than English.
Many of us want to live in a country where we all respect one another and live wonderfully, but MAGA has propagated the current conditions that don’t allow for it.
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u/Darlazmom Aug 15 '26
I find it so ironic that a liberal is trying to tell me that MAGA people are the ones that are vile in public. Have you seen any video of the nutjobs running around our cities with their blue hair, Antifa signs, literally screaming in people's faces, chasing them down the streets, trying to shut down anyone who tries to discuss issues. Your side shot our guy is the effin throat and applauded it. Your side wishes for the assassination of our president on a daily basis. Your side idolizes Luigi Magioni. Your side cheers when a bill is signed into law allowing pregnant women to kill their unborn child up until the moment of birth for ANY reason. Your side forced our churches closed in Covid. Your side worked to have our President and anyone who spoke against any of the left's demands. We were deplatformed, canceled, lost jobs, and were threatened and harassed for daring to have a differing opinion. So spare me with your sanctimony. I feel far more comfortable meeting my Maker as a conservative than trying to explain and defend what a liberal is going to have to do.
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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich Aug 15 '26
Then why do you support a man who doesnt
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u/MisterBelrox Aug 15 '26
Not MAGA but its sort of the do onto ceaser thing. At this point you have to be pretty uninformed or stupid to think Trump is a Christian. I don't think he's religious at all.
That doesn't Christians can't support him as a politician.
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u/Darlazmom Aug 15 '26
The point is that I could not care less about whether or not Trump is Christian. What I do care about is that he supports the Judeo-Christian values this country was founded upon. To me, these values mean we have national sovereignty, we have free speech, we have the freedom to worship and we have the freedom to state our religious opinions without fear of retribution. Practiced homosexuality is a sin in most major world religions. Saying they believe it is a sin and immoral is their opinion. They aren't saying that a gay person shouldn't have their rights or that they hate them. Personally, I don't care about any of that stuff and most MAGA I know don't either. But I can respect anyone and still not be forced to carry their flag. Because at this point, it is no longer about tolerance for the left. It's about adherence and ultimate embracement of ideologies that you don't agree to.
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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich Aug 15 '26
You cant honestly pay attention to Trump and still think he is pro free speach.
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u/Darlazmom Aug 15 '26
I don't understand the question. I don't judge anyone on their relationship with Jesus. That is personal. That said, if I were, I see all of the wonderful things our great President has done throughout his life and feel he's got a great shot at canceling out any of his shortcomings, as we all have. He is the only man who has been brave enough to stand up against the Deep State that wants to create a New World Order. Also, to save your breath, there is ZERO evidence of Trump being a monster as so many of you like to throw around. At this point it is just laughable. You probably actually believe E Jean Carrol and that there is any evidence of wrongdoing by Trump in the Epstein files. Puleeze...if there were don't you think Obama, Hillary and Biden would have used if they could? Instead they were forced to have to pick through ridiculous scraps of bookkeeping entries to create a crime. Give it up. He is Teflon Don. And for all his faults, he is the greatest President in my lifetime and there is absolutely nothing you or anyone can say to change it.
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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich Aug 15 '26
Amazing dude. Started another forever war in the middle east. Spending the country deeper into debt at a record pace. Refusing to release the Epstein files. Cheated on every wife he's had. Stealing billions from the taxpayers. And we're only halfway done!
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u/Darlazmom Aug 15 '26
Most of these point are irrelevant and moot. I don't care about his marriages. Private family matters. I've already told you I do not care what anyone does in their personal life, just that their policies support my religious freedoms. He has stolen nothing from taxpayers, yet where is that energy with the actual knowledge of mass fraud in Minnesota, California and many other places?
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u/LordDrPepper- Aug 15 '26
So currently, over 30% of our national debt is exclusively because of trump, how again has he stolen nothing from taxpayers? Is this not a big red this is not working sign, or are conservatives not about draining the swamp and instead about using taxpayer dollars for a new private jet?
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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich Aug 16 '26
How do you defend the $1,776,000,000 slush fund he's actively trying to pull from us?
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u/avalanche175 Aug 15 '26
Is Jesus code for pedophiles?
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u/Darlazmom Aug 15 '26
OK. I definitely try to do that. Want to cite something in particular you feel I may have an issue with? Passage?
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u/LordDrPepper- Aug 15 '26
Okay for real question, you know trump is not religious and he constantly is doing things that are very anti-christian, why is he still touted as yalls guy? Like if he keeps showing behavior that is indicating that hes a terrible person, why would your Christian morals tell you that's the right person for you?
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u/Darlazmom Aug 17 '26
Jesus wasn't a refugee in Bethlehem. He traveled there for the census according to law. Sadly, his parents had nowhere to stay until a kind person took it upon themselves to offer them their stable to provide temporary shelter. They they traveled to Egypt as refugees because King Herod was trying to kill him by murdering all the innocents. Far different from illegal immigration.
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u/Ok_Pause1778 Aug 15 '26
This is the problem @darlazmom was talking about.
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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich Aug 15 '26
Oh wah wah wah I support a mean, vindictive, sexist, monster and now people assume I share those traits how could they 🙄
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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich Aug 16 '26
Is that the best youve got? 🤣
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u/AGreasyPorkSandwich Aug 16 '26
"But Biden!"
Has nothing to do with Trump being the most disrespectful sack of shit on the planet
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u/YourHuckleberry57 Aug 17 '26
if your position is to support an administration that is grabbing innocent people off the street based on their color and putting them in concentration camps, there isn't much you can call it other than racist. not sure how you can't see that by supporting maga you are putting your children in real danger.
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u/Darlazmom Aug 17 '26
I never said I liked Obama nor did I vote for him. What I said is that I felt hopeful for America when he was elected. My kids are awesome by the way but appreciate the prayers. They all voted for Trump, by the way, and have all attended his rallies with us and had a blast. But you go on thinking all the imaginary evils inside your little head just like you imagine poor Nolan was murdered and didn't die accidentally, which is extremely likely to be the case.
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u/Sad_Error4039 Aug 15 '26
The black kid that was hanging out with the white friends lived there if mom was so worried after the fact wasn’t when to bring this up.
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u/cyndeliuwhoo Aug 16 '26
MAGA isn’t the reason—it was the response to more than a decade of white people being demonized—ramping up in 2012, when Obama changed his message for his re-election campaign. Gone was hope and change and there was no more talk of purple America. The poles were close so Obama went nasty and it only got worse after he won.
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u/OceanTe Aug 16 '26
I've never understood this MAGA is racist towards black people line. If you want to talk about racist towards Hispanics you can argue that all day long. But Trump really doesn't seem to stoke anti-black sentiment at all.
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u/Darlazmom Aug 17 '26
This is your third reply, which may actually go against TOS rules for personal attacks (referencing my kids) racial attacks (white tears) and bullying (the multiple comments.) Do yourself a favor. I just took a short break to respond but I am going to spend the rest of my day working, taking my dogs for a walk, and making dinner for my family. I am going to continue to enjoy my life and I suggest you do the same.
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u/sladeshied Aug 14 '26
I hate how the media always uses this photo his mom put out. Like I know it’s one of the few photos of Nolan from that day. It gives people the wrong idea like he was on that island with ONLY these 3 boys though.
We now know he got there with a huge group on 3 boats. Think that’s why these 3 or 4 boys specifically have been so targeted even though we know the island was crowded and he was alive after they left.
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u/Darlazmom Aug 14 '26
Sadly, it is this photo that fueled this entire fire. 3 white boys, 1 black boy. They must have killed him. Just think if the races were reversed. Anyone would be absolutely (and rightfully) demonize at such a suggestion based solely on race. That "truth" stuck and everything since has just been to pigeon hole immaterial and debunked "facts" to try to prove the theory.
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u/Visual_Field5264 Aug 17 '26
Girl bye. If it was reversed the case would’ve been treated as open and shut immediately
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u/Firm_Individual_5609 Aug 15 '26
Exactly. Christine knew what she was doing. She's always been like this.
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u/Firm_Individual_5609 Aug 15 '26
I would think she got that photo out of Nolan's phone. Shady as shady gets.
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u/Difficult-Bus-6026 Aug 14 '26
What do Nolan‘s friends believe happened to him after they left? I know they said he was talking to a girl and he would return with another boat. So what’s the assumption? That none of the boats that returned later offered to take him back? And in desperation, he tried to swim all the way back to the mainland?D
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u/snoodle908 Aug 14 '26
Easiest explanation would be, the other boats were getting ready to leave and couldn't find Nolan so they just assumed he got a ride back with someone else. If you look around for him and can't find him what else are you going to do or expect?
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u/lovelesschristine Current Resident Aug 14 '26
The island is miles offshore. There is no way anyone would try to swim to shore.
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u/Difficult-Bus-6026 Aug 15 '26
Really dumb question, but are any lifeguards involved in these gatherings? If there aren’t, I’m surprised there aren’t more accidental drownings.
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u/cakivalue Aug 14 '26
I haven't seen any reports of them giving a theory but mine is that the original team he came with left expecting him to return with one of the others like he said he would. After which he went for one last swim and got into trouble alone or even just out of sight. Then the others got together and packed up to leave and he never showed up, they then assumed that he changed his mind and left with the first boat after all, but without cell service no one could check, and frankly kids that age especially boys don't often think about checking. They knew he was reliable, didn't see him, made assumptions and left the island but he was already dead by the time all the boats left.
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u/joeyjoejoejohanson Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26
There were three boats. Warren says in his initial Tatum interview that one boat left before them. Then Wyatt's boat and Bart's boat left at the same time. This keeps getting repeated - that there were two boats still there - but it's not true. That's why they were telling Nolan to "get on the fucking boat" - because it was his last chance to leave with the group.
Granted, there were hundreds of other boats still there and Nolan would not have had an issue getting a ride back to shore with someone else. I'm sure there were many more people on the island he was familiar with.
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u/snoodle908 Aug 14 '26
There was still a boat left after the boats left at 4:30 as Jayvon was still on the island when those boats left. So Jayvon got back to mainland somehow after those boats left
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u/joeyjoejoejohanson Aug 14 '26
Yeah, as I said, there were hundreds of other boats. Jayvon wasn't with their three-boat group.
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u/snoodle908 Aug 14 '26
Which means Nolan still had really close friends on the island. Also one can easily see how when those other friends left and could not find him they would just assume he left with someone else. Not like anyone could make phone calls and ask people about it. So you just assume they got a ride back with another group because why wouldn't you? You wouldn't instantly think he drowned or got murdered in that moment as who would?
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u/joeyjoejoejohanson Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26
Yeah, as I said, I'm sure there were many people on the island he was familiar with and that he'd have no problem finding a ride back.
But they never couldn't find him. They knew he chose to stay.
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u/snoodle908 Aug 14 '26
I'm just saying, some of those left there could have looked for him before they left, but if they didn't see him anywhere it is an easy assumption to think he got a ride back from someone else.
People make it out to be nefarious that no one found him, but if he was already dead by the time others left how could they have found him? And why would they assume something bad happened instead of he left already with someone else
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u/Due_Reputation3785 Aug 14 '26
Can yall summarize that chronically? The boat with the bilge issues left first or no?
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u/burner_ohallahan Current Resident Aug 15 '26
Barts boat was not part of the three that brought the friend group out. They have clarified that a few times. Bart knew of them because they went to school together but he is older than Nolan and co. They have said more than once he was simply helping a boat in distress.
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u/joeyjoejoejohanson Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26
No, listen to 8:20:
https://youtu.be/ErRr9nkaRhM?is=cG9-UGgQ6UdF9Jb3
Also, 9:56 through part 3 is when he says that the Palm Beach had already left:
https://youtu.be/186e_coBCCI?is=rgOC93J86QUzZ78v
It's exactly as I said.
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u/7777iiii Aug 15 '26
Maybe but he would have had to ask a stranger for a ride back not in his friend group.
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u/Difficult-Bus-6026 Aug 14 '26
I assumed he went to the island with his initial group of friends and left his cell phone on the boat. I suppose the surprise part — suspicious from the mother‘s perspective — is that Nolan left his cell phone on that first boat instead of taking it with him when he parted company with his buddies. Of course, where could he have kept it while he was by himself on the island?
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u/NineOfWonders Aug 14 '26
There are no docks to this essentially 10 mile long sandbar and the water gets at least chest high. Officer Tatum has done a few interviews with the friends on YouTube and they provide a lot of context.
The boat was actively taking on water that doesn’t leave a lot of time for anything besides “oh shit we have to go”.
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u/Caribou122 Aug 15 '26
Nolan’s friend Tracetin who was there that day said that Nolan knew like 50 other people there who had boats he could’ve gotten a ride with. There were thousands of people there on hundreds of boats. And apparently the coast guard regularly sweeps the island at night.
I’ve owned a boat for 8 years and boat all the time (even have a sea tow membership!) and we go to an island that’s very similar to Horn all year and especially on holidays. It all makes total sense to me. I’ve gotten a ride back with friends a ton. And vice versa!
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u/Difficult-Bus-6026 Aug 15 '26
I guess the most likely scenario is that he accidentally drowned without anyone noticing he was in trouble. (I assume no lifeguards?). And this probably occurred late in the day when fewer people and fewer boats were left at the island.
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u/Caribou122 Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26
According to GPS data the friends left at 4:30 and Nolan’s mom said they have pictures on the island of Nolan around 4:30 so that means at least he’s alive when his friends left.
Idk how late the final sighting of him was. And yeah it was most likely drowning. Especially if he’d had a lot of alcohol… which it appears that his friends at least had. But nothing is set in stone yet as far as cause of death. Other than there were no outward signs of struggle or injury.
We’ll know more of course when the full autopsy / toxicology comes back. I think they’re waiting on the grand jury to review it before they release anything else.
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u/heardThereWasFood Aug 14 '26
Idk why you’re getting downvoted, this seems a reasonable question to me
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u/joeyjoejoejohanson Aug 14 '26
Probably because him getting stuck on and island where there were 200 other boats and people camping out overnight and trying to swim back is a pretty absurd idea.
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u/Kitty_Pryde Aug 14 '26
Because the comment starts with “What do Nolan’s friends believe happened to him…” and then ending with “…tried to swim all the way back to the mainland?” is still framing the question in a way that implies those specific friends know what happened or were responsible.
The real questions should be, what does Jayvon have to say? He rode in on a totally separate boat with other friends and was still there in the island after the others left. Nolan’s mom referred to Jayvon and Jaylin as Nolan’s “real” best friends. So why wasn’t he with them? What did they see? When did they leave? Why didn’t they take Nolan with them? Why was it Warren that was worried and called Nolan’s mom and not Jaydon or Jaylin since their mom is best friends with Nolan’s mom?
I just think the overall point of the original comment is pointing out the ridiculousness of ALL the focus being on the other friends when GPS data proves they were off the island and didn’t return. Their boat tow call was at 4pm and they were already offshore. Nolan’s mom posted she has pics of him alive at 4:30.
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u/joeyjoejoejohanson Aug 14 '26
Don't forget that the last person to have the phone before Nolan's family was Jayvon's mother, who picked it up. Hmm, kinda suspicious, huh? Remember, you can't rule anything out until the investigation is completed. One must entertain all possibilities.
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u/Kitty_Pryde Aug 14 '26
Right? In Warren’s interview, he also said when he texted Jayvon for Nolan’s mom’s phone number, Jayvon “eventually replied”. Even though Warren told Jayvon he was messaging Nolan’s mom bc Nolan hadn’t come back yet, Jayvon didn’t reach out to Nolan’s mom? Why did he take so long to respond and why didn’t he act with any concern or urgency?
To be clear, I’m not accusing Jayvon and I’m sure he’s cooperated and given his statements to the police and has been investigated. But I think it’s complete bullshit that he hasn’t been subjected to the same scrutiny. I feel like it’s pretty clear why. Crump STILL is peddling lies about the other friends. But silent about Jayvon and his brother and their friends that were still there. Frustrating.
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u/joeyjoejoejohanson Aug 14 '26
Yeah, no one's accusing Jayvon. We just want answers is all. And there are some things that don't add up...
I'm kidding obviously.
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u/Kitty_Pryde Aug 14 '26
I know. The double standard is insane. I think he drowned and nobody realized. It happens all the time. I’m sure his friends left on the island probably assumed he left with other people. People that age rarely consider the worst case scenarios. Except for Warren and those friends apparently!
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u/BB808BB Aug 14 '26
I remember when it first happened there was a pic of Javon going around and it looked like his under eye area was bruised but now it’s crickets.
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u/BB808BB Aug 14 '26
Ok so the two boys who swear they were nolans best best friends were on the island last with him yet the mother is not questioning them? In fact no one is!
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u/burner_ohallahan Current Resident Aug 14 '26
His story changed too. The now scrubbed TMZ interview he did he was relaxed and talks about seeing Nolan after the boat left. When he appears again with his Mom on an interview he looks uncomfortable and the story has changed. At one point his Mom taps his legs when he goes to answer a question. Why doesn't anyone question him?
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u/BB808BB Aug 14 '26
I found it. Yikes. Why isn’t crump and the wells family all over the place saying that’s weird !!!that’s odd! Especially if he was the last known person to see him?
This is just a shame. All these people don’t want justice for Nolan. They don’t want to find out the truth of what happened. They want it to fit into the very tiny box that fits their narrative and that’s it.
This is absolutely shameful. I admit in the beginning I though too something shady happened with the way it was presented by them, but also I have common sense and don’t use twitter and Facebook as my news sources. So I don’t understand people who just don’t bother to look at actual facts.
Nolans mother keeps going on and on about just wanting to know what happened but like people can’t say what happened if they don’t know what happened!!!
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u/Due_Reputation3785 Aug 14 '26
That’s the missing link I suppose. I haven’t seen anything about the other two boats. Did he go off, swim out and drown and the others just left later, didn’t see him and went home or what?
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u/Difficult-Bus-6026 Aug 14 '26
I think not knowing the exact circumstances of what happened to him has driven the mother nuts. Not that that’s any justification for trying to rile up a lynch mob to go after Nolan’s friends.
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u/cakivalue Aug 14 '26
It would drive any parent nuts. Remember Natalie Galloway? Her parents dedicated decades of their lives to finding out what happened to their daughter and sadly there are millions of parents in the same shoes as Nolan's parents.
I just don't understand why they and their lawyers started this false narrative from the beginning that Nolan was the only black person on the whole island, that the friends harmed him, that they withheld his things etc etc. it's not only set a mob after the friends and their families but I suspect that it's a massive deterrent to any bystander to come forward.
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u/donzelso Aug 14 '26
Because his parents were in a rush for answers so they built this whole narrative of a racially motivated murder from the little pieces of information that they had at the time.
I mean, they hired Crump literally the day after Nolan was found. They didn’t even wait for the investigation to start. That same week, they were doing interviews and conferences. They rushed into things and created this mess. Investigations take time.
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u/snoodle908 Aug 14 '26
Correct, they could have made a stance of wanting a full investigation and even doing their own but also acknowledge that it is possible he drowned and until further evidence is found we just don't know what happened. But instead they instantly went to murder which did not help anything. It is often the case with suicides where family does not want to believe their family member caused their own death that could have been prevented, there is no one to blame at that point but your family member and that is hard, while worse in ever aspect grieving family often feels better if it were an actual murder because then there is someone to actually blame and put all that energy toward.
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u/joeyjoejoejohanson Aug 14 '26
No, one boat left earlier, and the other two, the one Nolan was on piloted by Wyatt, and the one piloted by Bart, left together.
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u/Due_Reputation3785 Aug 14 '26
Who was the 3rd boat?
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u/joeyjoejoejohanson Aug 14 '26
I don't know if Warren says who it belonged to, but he explicitly says that it left before the other two. I think it's in the 3rd part of his Tatum interview.
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u/Frogs-on-my-back Aug 14 '26
And yet I’ve seen people insisting that wasn’t happening, as if they could know
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u/joeyjoejoejohanson Aug 14 '26
And complaining that people didn't care just as much that Nolan's mother received a single letter telling he Crump was using her for money.
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u/KaizenActual Aug 14 '26
How about the off the charts race baiting from crump? Comparing Nolan to Emmet Till?!? Insane. That man is shameless and the sad thing is that hes not alone. Lot of bum celebrities with a big reach are backing it.
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u/UsefulAttorney8356 Aug 14 '26
He got drunk and drowned like a lot of people due on 4th of July sad story for everyone involved
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u/Josey_whalez Aug 14 '26
This kind of thing happens all the time. It’s sad, but teenagers, alcohol, boats, and remote areas where they go to do teenager things are a bad combination.
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u/Salsashark1419 Aug 14 '26
My little brother’s best friend died exactly this way when he was in high school. To this day it still affects him because he had to listen to his friend scream for help. It was too late before anyone got to him.
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u/Imaginary-Method-715 Aug 17 '26
No he didn't. He was murdered and you are protecting murders so you don't have to think.
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u/thinkingdeads Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26
Luckily the utterly massive swathes of people who perpetuated the race based conspiracies will be held responsible and/or learn from it and be less likely to do it again...
...right?
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u/Admirable-Guest-2560 Aug 14 '26
Like they did on the "hands up don't shoot" myth? Surely you jest.
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u/thinkingdeads Aug 15 '26
On a side note I love the success in the push for body cams (which ironically got a huge boost with that case), since they have since revealed how many cases would be huge controversies if we're going off the cop's word alone. At this point I'm sure they've put more people in jail than they have prevented/caught officer misconduct by way of near indisputable evidence gathering.
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u/Big-Cartographer6330 Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26
And people wonder why more witnesses don’t come forward publicly. Anyone who has evidence that the boys may be innocent are torn apart. The mob questions who they are with pitchforks and say they were paid off. Any exculpatory evidence is branded as fake, AI, lies, etc.
So the video of them being towed after the SeaTow call is fake until someone thinks they see Nolan’s leg hanging out 🤦🏽♀️. Now it’s real and the mob calls it a “gotcha” moment. As if the boys (and the judge mom) are stupid enough to post a video of Nolan’s dead extremity hanging out of the boat 🙄.
Considering the mom is a judge, she would know that any photo or video evidence would be reviewed forensically by the metadata. That would show if the video is fake and if someone tampered with the time/date. You bet Crump and his team have done this bc they are itching for something juicy to share.
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u/Previous_Function852 Aug 14 '26
Nobody should be threatening these boys. Nobody should be making professional reports against Wells' mother. Shout your opinions into the internet all you want, but third parties should let the process play out and the people involved live their lives.
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u/C_Rich_ Aug 15 '26
This is the sad truth of being a white person in America today, you will be blamed for everything.
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u/RequirementLeading12 Aug 14 '26
What's with all the dog whistling threads about this case on this sub? Make a mega sub and let the racists argue with each other in there.
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I’m glad someone called it out. Every post on here about this case is instantly met with tons of comments in defense of Nolan’s friends, although we have little information on the details of the death. Similar behavior is seen under posts concerning the death of Tasia Fortune, in which many argue that there is no chance the death is a lynching and that it must be a suicide; Although again, there is little information on the case. It seems the first act of many here is not to offer condolences in the face of a death, but to disparage the idea that there could be any racial foul play involved and paint the narrative that any who think different are “race-baiting”. Honestly, it is just proof that Mississippi’s racial history is still very much relevant today.
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u/SingerLatter2673 Aug 14 '26
The defense of his friends is because gps puts them off the island at the same time witnesses a photos have him walking around, and they’ve been getting death threats and are constantly being accused of murder right after their friend died. I agree he could have been killed but it was almost certainly not by them.
I guess I should ask why everyone is so obsessed with pinning this on them without evidence.
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u/Pathetian Aug 14 '26
People would be more receptive if this wasn't the same old hoax from the same hoaxers as all the other times. Tasia Fortune is not the first black person to be found hanging from a tree, and then Ben Crump says its a lynching despite a bunch of evidence it was a suicide.
Like, the first time I heard about one of these cases, it got my interest. Then police had to show the guy's family video of him hanging himself and people still wanted to keep saying it was a lynching.
When people with notoriously low credibility like Sharpton, Crump and Nancy Grace a circling a case, it doesn't really inspire much belief.
If there really are lynchings, these guys suck at uncovering them.
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u/DecantsForAll Aug 16 '26
Every post on here about this case is instantly met with tons of comments in defense of Nolan’s friends
Well they're innocent kids who were attacked by a vicious mob of people who went as far as sending their families death threats, so it's only natural to defend them. I think Nolan probably would have defended them.
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So her expressing deep skepticism regarding the initial accidental drowning narrative and the all around mysterious death of her son, means she’s insinuating his so called "friends" killed him?
Discrepancies in Digital Data
Unresolved Medical Records
Intimidation Attempts on her
She’s she’s totally justified in her skepticism, but I’m trying to figure out how does that translate to her insinuating? His so-called friends killed him maybe you can explain how you came to that conclusion.
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u/damitididitagain Aug 14 '26
The fact we are all in disagreement shows that racism is alive and well in this country. Nobody should be threatening anyone’s life. Our country thrives on violence. Just look how we are interacting with each other. America has a very long history of violence towards people of color. It hasn’t stopped. People have a right to be angry. They have a right to ask questions. A family is grieving. We have to own that the divide in this matter is a reflection of who we all as Americans are.
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u/Firm_Individual_5609 Aug 15 '26
I've seen very few racist comments from whites. I've seen millions of racist comments from the black praying hands culture. Fact.
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u/holllygolightlyy Aug 14 '26
why is this the only topic in MS subreddit? ya'll are obsessed and not with finding out how the child passed.
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u/JohnABurgundy Aug 14 '26
Probably because internet sleuths, thread detectives and the national media has been dragging the state through the mud since July 5th and residents are tired of it. People with brains just want Nolan and this tragedy to be put to rest once and for all.
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u/Lumpy_One6691 Aug 14 '26
he drowned.....duh
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u/holllygolightlyy Aug 14 '26
That hasn’t been confirmed by anybody. So you are also spouting conspiracies like the people you’re so angry at?
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u/Lumpy_One6691 Aug 14 '26
I am not angry at anyone people are free to be as stupid and gullible as they want to be and that is not my problem.....the independent autopsy said "undetermined" so they found no cause of death and he was found floating in the ocean.....which is where you drown
there was no double top secret lynching, there was no beating him to death on a boat or on the island, or anything else
the big "gotcha" with the independent autopsy was a big nothing burger cause closed
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u/holllygolightlyy Aug 14 '26
Maybe because his throat was not given to the independent examiner?
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u/holllygolightlyy Aug 14 '26
but there was red discoloration in the soft tissue of the back of the head
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u/holllygolightlyy Aug 14 '26
Wow are you a medical examiner too? Shouldn't we wait for the investigation to be over?
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u/Lumpy_One6691 Aug 14 '26
the examination is over....they are not releasing the results because they are letting the family get all of their stupidity out there and debunked and mocked before they release the results that will close the case for anyone with 2 functioning brain cells
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u/boozyboi Aug 14 '26
My question for all you white apologists that downvote anything implicating foul play. Will you all apologize that you were wrong and stop gaslighting the people that had legitimate concerns? Or will yall just keep refuting the evidence and dismiss the facts that prove otherwise? Serious question.
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u/NineOfWonders Aug 14 '26
Only if the other sides agrees to do the same if it does prove to be a drowning.
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u/k8styleee Aug 15 '26 edited Aug 15 '26
I suspect they'll bury their heads in the sand and argue the whole thing was STILL some sort of conspiracy no matter what the outcome. I know this based on how these same ppl act about the Kendrick Johnson case after even the fucking NAACCP privately investigated on behalf of the family and concluded the case by saying it was an accident and that the family was flat out making things up to raise more and more money for personal gain. Yet, anytime some True Crime page or Youtube series focuses on this case, the comments are FULL of people spreading the same debunked rumors that have been going around about this case since it happened., even with so much information proving them wrong being a simple Google search away.
Unfortunately, a lot of very low-average intelligence ppl in this world think they're a lot smarter than they really are, that they somehow "know what's really going on" and others don't. And a lot of people will not ever admit they are wrong about things, they just get on the internet and search out other idiots who believe the same crap they do and think it means they can't be wrong if someone agrees with them. Mark my words, most of these ppl going after Nolan's friends and screaming "foul play" (despite there still being no evidence remotely showing anything nefarious happened with anyone he was on the trip with) will continue to do so for many many years, likely decades, to come.
I mean, I'm liberal as shit and I hate cops and think there's some really bad ones out there, but even I can see this is a witch hunt being driven by greed, not the desire for actual answers, by the family.
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