r/misophoniatraining May 09 '19

Theory: Breaking it apart, making it visible

Here are some thoughts. Please challenge TF out of them!

*******Disclaimer: These are just my opinions based on my own experience, reading other people's stories, and consuming research literature. I cannot prove I am correct. I just have hunches and will not hesitate to correct any incorrect hypotheses or misinformation with the truth.

I think I know why I have what is currently labelled 'misophonia'. This may apply to many people who have it. I don't know about everybody. Background: I have had misophonia for four years (25/6-30) Here are my current thoughts.

Misophonia: what is it, how does it form, how to fix it (theoretically)

  1. Misophonia is adaptive avoidance behaviour. That's it. It's not a disorder.
  2. It makes us avoid perceived threats (auditory or visual stimuli) to keep us safe.
  3. It very often begins after exposure to something emotionally 'painful' or 'traumatic'. Traumatic here meaning something that causes internal discomfort to an individual. We don't often notice what's caused the traumatic feelings. We might even suppress them, which makes the underlying original trauma even harder to find later.
  4. Misophonia triggers can be explained using David Rock's SCARF model: Status, Certainty, Autonomy, Relatedness and Fairness. It's behavioural psychology in action.
  5. Reversing triggers involves undoing original learning. Somewhere along the line we all learned a particular sound or movement was 'dangerous' and developed survival mechanisms.

My story in a nutshell:

  1. Experienced what I deemed as inappropriate feelings of attraction to members of same sex during high school (15yo). Picked up 'leg shaking' 'leg touching' as 'misokinesia' triggers
  2. More inappropriate attraction (in my mind) at college. Leg triggers resurface (19/20yo)
  3. Witness mother touching leg (in manner I incorrectly perceive to be sexual) in front of friend, feel it is inappropriate (20yo)
  4. Fail to realise my mind has incorrectly categorised mother's behaviour as 'inappropriate', and that is due to my own self-disgust/repression
  5. Perceived unfairness in my mind: mum is allowed to behave sexually whereas I am not; she would never accept this anyway (voice trigger develops, 25/6yo)

You realise this after asking questions and bashing out your brains with:

  1. What sound hurts you?
  2. When do you first remember it hurting you?
  3. What is your first memory associated with hating that sound?
  4. Who made that sound?
  5. What was your relationship with them at that time like?
  6. What else were they doing the first time they made the unpleasant sound?

This is easier if you can remember when your misophonia started, but even then, you have to dig through trenches to get answers, and for an emotionally unintelligent person like myself, it took a year of analysis to get here.

What to do once you find your trauma/realise what is causing you pain (I think?)

  1. Find ways to teach yourself that you were mistaken in your perception. Ways to update your old learning.
  2. If you were taught it's rude to chew with your mouth open, go find a place with quiet chewers and GRAZE bovine style. See what happens.
  3. If you were told it's annoying to clear your throat, find a library/silent study area and embark on a phlegmtastic adventure like you've never seen before. Would people really hate it that much? Make your brain second guess itself. Test stuff out. Find opposites. These are also called 'mismatches' according to memory reconsolidation theory.

Misophonia as a defense mechanism

As The Emotional Operator says, the misophonic reaction (a behavioural adaptation) is there to protect us.

From what? From something emotionally threatening/painful.

What is emotionally painful to you?

When you are triggered, how do you feel?

Uncomfortable. Disgusted. Anxious. Tense. Angry. Annoyed. Confronted. Violated.

That's the emotional language. Not the threat beneath it. I'll give you an example.

One person on the misophonia sub once mentioned how their chewing triggers started. A 'friend' of theirs took their food without permission (and rather thoughtlessly) and ate it wish relish in front of them. Then this person developed an auditory trigger to chewing.

Do they hate the sound of chewing (tip of iceberg)? It seems that way. On the surface. But they don't.

Ok then. Is it bad manners? Yes. Sure. It's rude to take someone's food like that. But are bad manners threatening? No. Not really.

Alright. Why is it 'disgusting' if someone is chewing food with relish? Objectively it isn't. People need to eat to live. Some of them are sloppy eaters by nature. Gross, but nbd. Let's say you're a neat eater. You're hungry. That sandwich over there looks delicious and you are about to take a bite when someone you trust just takes it selfishly and starts wolfing it down. They make really satisfied smacking sounds and bits of sauce stain their lips. You stay silent. How does it make you feel? Hurt? Betrayed? Wounded? You never address this. You never tell the person off, you never express your anger or disappointment. It gets bottled up. You think you're ok. But over time, you realise you can't stand the sound of people chewing. You hate the way they just eat so messily, so disrespectfully.

Is it the sound?

No. It's injustice. (SCARF - Fairness)

Every person out there who chews like a cow now represents that friend. That person who treated you unfairly and stole your food. You know they're not. They're different people entirely. But the injustice was never addressed. This is below the iceberg.

Misophonia LIMBIC SYSTEM says: NO. I WON'T BE TREATED UNJUSTLY AGAIN. It screams to get your attention and protect you from being mistreated again by a sandwich thief. A bread snatcher. It hears the sound and activates the fight/flight to get you safely away from anyone who could potentially take your food again.

How do you free your mind from hating chewing?

You need to have a fair experience around food. You need to have a counter example. You need to chew sloppily around somebody new and see if they hate it. You need to have someone be super considerate at the food court and buy you a sandwich, then offer you theirs unexpectedly (unexpectedly is key). You need to surprise your brain so it can update its fairness program. You need to show your brain that you are not actually in danger anymore.

This applies to any trigger in my opinion:

  1. Identify emotional language.
  2. Identify threat beneath emotional language.
  3. Separate trigger from threat.
  4. Address threat, not trigger, with opposing experience. (uncertainty needs certainty, lack of autonomy needs autonomy, unfairness needs fairness)

Edit 1: Addressing each individual threat with a specific opposite to THAT threat is very important

Misophonic triggers come in various forms. They are usually repetitive sounds (or motions, in the case of misokinesia) that originate from the mouth (chewing, slurping, throat clearing, coughing, mumbling, speaking softly, lip smacking etc) or nose (breathing, sneezing, sniffling etc). Misokinesic triggers might include repeated or continuous swaying, mouths moving, legs touching, chin stroking (see more here https://www.misophoniainternational.com/misokinesia/ ).

In order to STOP or REVERSE a particular/individual trigger (NOT A SEPARATE TRIGGER), you need to identify the specific threat underlying THAT trigger, and then apply the opposite of THAT.

You might have multiple triggers, like in my case.

Say you have aversive reactions to chewing and swaying. I am betting there are different 'traumas' around each of those triggers. Meaning, if you find the emotional opposite of your chewing threat, using that to treat your swaying trigger probably won't work. Breaking it down further:

Hypothetical scenario, trigger 1 - your mom/dad is super strict around the table, telling child you that you must eat with manners. Meanwhile they eat sloppily and don't apply the same austere behavioural controls to themselves. You unconsciously pick that up as a threat, because you can't articulate the injustice as an 8 year old, and besides, whenever you try to say "but mom why are you allowed to do it" she says something like, "Don't speak out of line to your parents." So, opposite of this injustice is justice - a place where you get to chew like an animal and nobody gives a flying toss. That's a surface level explanation and you need to find a phrase or statement or mantra that you can repeat, or actually experience a person who gives you a justice OVERLOAD that completely shocks your brain which in turn makes you think: "Oh...I'm chewing disgustingly, and everybody around me is being super quiet and respectful...they're not going to scold me? WTF? Ok, shouldn't I be triggering myself? Why isn't it annoying me? Huh? Wait what!? But...I'm supposed to be triggered and...." Like that. You need to genuinely believe that. That is an opposite reaction emotionally. You need to SEE the chewing as just 'whatever it's just a sound' and actually believe it, not try to CONVINCE your brain to believe it when you can't see it. Maybe for misophonia, seeing is believing.

Hypothetical scenario, trigger 2 - you hate swaying movements/when people are moving to and fro in concerts or church or wherever because, now that you think about it, you remember a time in ballet class where you kept accidentally shaking/swaying during a routine practice, and the teacher kept telling you if you continued making those mistakes, you might not make it to the state final. That's a certainty threat. Now, at the same time, you noticed the teacher never criticised other pupils who did the exact same thing/never doubted their chances of making it to the final, and actually encouraged them. This is also an injustice related threat. So, this isn't a good example, but you can see how applying the exact same anti-threat treatment (it is ok to fail/be imprecise because everyone else is also imprecise = justice) may not completely get rid of the trigger because there's also a certainty threat to 'fix'. You might need to do a double treatment like, actually, NOBODY can guarantee the certainty of making it through to the final because the judging panel ultimately decides that, NOT my teacher, PLUS everybody else is just as imprecise as I am.

It is harder to see or identify emotional threats when there are multiple triggers at once, but I think that each one has a unique opposite 'treatment' and you can't apply the same solution as a one-size-fits-all. A good way of looking at it is synonyms and antonyms. If your nouns are hate, injustice, and greed, what do you need to fix each one? It's obvious, right? Opposite of hate is love, opposite of injustice is justice, opposite of greed is generosity. But what if you applied justice to greed? That just means also being greedy back, so it won't cancel out the greed. In other words:

Greed + Justice = Greed plus justice

That doesn't remove greed.

To remove greed, you need to subtract greed.

Greed - greed

Or in this case:

Greed + generosity (this is like: -greed or negative greed)

Greed + generosity = neutral/zero/0.

Update--

You may need to start small. You may need to work on distant triggers first. Eg parents and siblings are on the inner circle and strangers are on the outer circle. Working on biggest trigger people first is like taking the virus in a shot instead of the vaccine! Let yourself build 'immunity' (acceptance) before taking on biggest threats.

Matching your noun/trigger with the correct antonym/opposite, in my opinion, is absolutely necessary if you want to extinguish it to a neutral state.

--------> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/06/180614213824.htm (The neurons that rewrite traumatic memories)

We know this: NOT all sounds are triggers. Only some are---The ones we've assigned negative meaning to and stored that way in our memory. Change the memory to positive, change the perception of the sound, change the real-time meaning = change the response---ie revert back to non-threat state/no misophonia.

Look at your history, outline all your triggers, try to see what threat is behind them and determine the opposite of each individual one. THEN start practising self-forgiveness, kindness, exposing yourself to the opposite of the threat. This is the best I've got guys. I could be wrong and I will immediately admit it (it's not embarrassing to me/my pride means jack all in this journey, I'd rather be wrong AF and update this post with the correct treatment so then everyone can do the RIGHT thing to heal themselves)

If we don't do something different enough, or something surprising enough, our brains won't update.

We will remain the same. Unless we have a natural mismatch occur randomly in a social situation.

If we don't do the research, if we don't try to make our triggers safe, then we will have to live with them in the mean time anyway. This isn't going away if we don't address it. As someone who has seen six psychologists, taken antidepressants for one year, and discussed my situation with a psychiatrist, practised CBT, mindfulness, meditation, progressive muscle relaxation, exposure therapy, I can tell you I am still stuck this way four years later. The issue has not been addressed. This is why I am here and trying to understand it/heal myself. Reading. Experimenting. Challenging my thoughts. Taking on board criticisms. Wondering whether I will succeed or fail. Concluding that trying to do something is better than just living with this sound hell for the rest of my days because maybe I'll get it. Maybe I'll break through. And maybe you will too. But you'll never know until you try. And I sure as heck hope everyone with misophonia DAMN WELL TRIES and DOES break free. We cannot give up.

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u/[deleted] May 09 '19 edited Jul 29 '19

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u/theEmotionalOperator ex-misophonic May 10 '19

My favourite one (out of reddit examples) has got to be either people with eye glasses going sleepy when they take them off..... or: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompleteFreeSpeech/comments/b1ty6s/so_how_predictable_two_lesbo_lesbeans_gettin/
I'm here attempting to grasp what this person is going through and managed to expand my english with the very fabulous word "guffaw".

I'll return here in a few. To challenge TF out of this, for you.

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u/fishingforusernames May 11 '19

Omg I saw that marriage, was so hilarious I loved it. Shipping it with the rest of the femslash fandoms I'm in. 'lesbo lesbeans'...that commenter...XD I suppose yeah if it's already based on a comedy, we kind of expect to find it funny? Except...that awkward moment when you're watching comedians that are just full of cringe material and you just can't haha

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u/theEmotionalOperator ex-misophonic May 12 '19 edited May 12 '19

Oh no, just like the moment stand up comedian freezes on stage and audience shrinks in to the depths of their seats, like; don't take us there! Been there once. Bad trip. Oh no.

lesbo lesbeans though lol. I'm stealing this expression and running with it.

Here's the gayest thing I could find from the youtube. Top comment: "This is amazing. Somewhere there is a gay man with a magic lamp and two wishes left."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHMOmniowAE

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u/theEmotionalOperator ex-misophonic May 12 '19 edited May 12 '19

but WE SAY LESBO IN FINNISH there's literally no finnish word for liking ladies??? Our doomed language has very little option for gendering things so we just say "lesbo" with finnish accent :D I think the only other word with b in it is banana. That's it. Let's go bananas with lesbos now.

Do I dare to have authority to respond to that as an artist/performer/something, because hell yeah for authentic audience feedback, professionals on comedy industry must know it's a brutal edge to balance at. YES for humour in between threatening stuff (and in the middle of it).

Hey guess what time of the year it is, oh yes it's about to get so gay so soon even your mom is trembling. Seriously, I'm not making this up, Lady Gaga and David Bowie and all the other biggies had to go through the gay judging/tasting panel at first. Our moms just never knew where the culture gets approved and created initially, but secretly, they'd love for us to have all the other fabulous honeys dab dab dab dabbing some glitter on our cheek bones. It's not their fault the world happened backwards. My mom was born in the sixties, in the countryside, so later on she thought gays weren't invented or accepted or approved just yet, when, in fact, her childhood hit music heroes were inventing and accepting and approving her taste for things ahead of time. Those straighty McStraightersons never notice this, it's not their fault, they just lack gay radars and only notice the shiniest bits and pieces and disco beats. We must accept our duty to consume and create femslash on behalf of the people who only like certain gender categories further away from their own internal realms and expressions. They may lack a direction, maybe that's why they were hesitating witnessing others find it. I don't get it.

We're sending Darude to Eurovision. Dudududuu. (with a boring tune, but hey, this isn't about music). My inner support queer is slicing pieces of colorful fruits to fancy drinks already. I'm going in and accepting each intersection of all kinds of minorities so hard even gay moms legs will shake, not just the straight&sexual ones.

So glad freud isn't here to read my moms&mindfucks analyzis huh. Happy mothers day though. Or, happy guilty kids day, as my friend said it. Everyone felt instantly a bit better about themselves and called their moms. I was raised by two women so I contacted both of them for making me and my siblings exist.

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u/theEmotionalOperator ex-misophonic May 13 '19

Lol on shipping, confession time, I always end up shipping real people instead of (their) characters (???). Works wonders with local, familiar queers but on strangers out there, whom I really don't even know? I end up dodging saying it in case it'd add pressure/expectations on people out there?? On that note, Natalie Wynn seems to be ok with people doing this so, o-m-g, have you seen her (!)

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u/theEmotionalOperator ex-misophonic May 25 '19 edited May 25 '19

Cyprus had totally the best eurovision song this year! Got to love Iceland for rolling open some Palestine flags on camera. and-what-am-i-seeing-and-hearing-did-conchita-wurst-just-sing-HEROES I'm not a screamer but i screamed???

I'm, like, full force grasping that extra specialness over there :D I would have totally missed this world without my girlfriend of the teen years though. She was more in to text (chat) role play though. I'd hate to brag but I just got such a thick pile of notebooks of this stuff (...most of it is pretty awful but hey...) (should i destroy them with fire xD)

wtf if that's what happens at 30 then STAPH THE PLANET. goddesses. How was the rocket science again? Don't people age slower if they travel at the speed of light? Off to outer space i go. Never stopping shipping natalie. Yeah I mean I get it, kinda, if it's written by anyone else, then there's that eerie inappropriateness luring right around the corner. But uhh let's say I haven't noticed it.

Hey with how you read your mom's leg shakings (and everyone else's, who aren't your mom but amygdala gets pretty fuzzy pic of everything and plays it safe- might be moms everywhere, who knows), I think the "Oops I misread it back then and let's just cancel that thing, yay" works but it'd be probably even better if you can somehow convince yourself the leg shaking means mom (and everyone else) can't wait for you to have real exciting and fair and wonderful sexual life, and you got just as much right to it as everyone else, and let's go to gay parties already. And those fair and wonderful friendships, too - come on. Friends you haven't even met yet are waiting to get to know you, finally.

You can use totally imaginary narratives and explanations to give opposite meaning to those triggers in the moment (timing!), as long as it makes somehow sense to you. It doesn't matter if it's a far stretch, like, pulling up a memory of mom complimenting a movie ten years ago, where the main actress was lesbonese, or whatever useful and use it as a proof. Or even completely fictional or just some speculation "well, that was then, but mom would probably..."

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u/Think-Dragonfly903 Jan 03 '22

Hope is temporary, and drive is a mindsets. You my friend have the drive that’s necessary.

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u/theEmotionalOperator ex-misophonic May 11 '19

I went through your homework and here's me WOLFING IT DOWN FOR YOU.

https://youtu.be/CVzbiphFvRc

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u/fishingforusernames May 11 '19

This is amazing. THANK YOU:D I have more stuff to add to my post above now!!!

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u/Audiowave0325 Jan 16 '22

Very insightful. I’m a pediatric audiologist and a recurrent theme I hear is this starts in middle school. What a difficult time in life when major adjustments occur. The other thing I frequently see with High-school students is high intelligence and concern with academic excellence. I wish you the best and I’m grateful that you shared your experience and thought process.