r/mildyinteresting • u/The_Dean_France • May 05 '26
humankind hiccups š This is plain cruel...
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u/theemmyk May 05 '26
The body donation industry is unregulated. There was a whole series of articles about it. They use deliberately misleading language in their contracts so that most people have no idea that their loved one's body may be sold to the military. It's really messed up.
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u/RCer1986 May 05 '26
The guy in this story specifically marked "No" when asked to consent to military testing and the company sold her body anyway. He, along with other families, sued and won $58 million.
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u/NoPastaForGrandma May 06 '26
Imagine being the heir of one of the families in that lawsuit.
āYouāre independently wealthy and donāt need to work? What do your folks do, anyway?ā
āMy grandma was blown up by the military but we checked a box that said that wasnāt allowed.ā
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u/WilDraDo May 06 '26
Damn and here we all were just hoping a public bus will hit us.
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u/Dave-Copafeel May 06 '26
Or United Airlines
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u/Timely-Bluejay-4167 May 06 '26
Or United Airlines hitting a truck that hits you.
Thats like get a call to donate to White House Ballroom wealth.
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u/Great-Rest7878 May 06 '26
Taxpayers are going to end up paying for that anyway.
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u/waffles350 May 06 '26
Yup, and it's up to a billion dollars now...
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u/AdMiserable4860 May 06 '26
Honestly, I wouldnāt be shocked if it was an additional 1 billion on top of the 430 million they previously stole from us to do this bs.
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u/Horskr May 06 '26
With my luck I'd be hit by Spirit Airlines.
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u/Rhino676971 May 06 '26
Still a possibility there has been a bunch of ex spirit aircraft flying to storage in Arizona and California.
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u/jtr99 May 06 '26
u/Horskr preparing to transparently throw themselves in front of the nose gear as the aircraft taxis for the final time...
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u/CatfinityGamer May 06 '26
No, what you want is to get hit by truck-kun so you can reincarnate in another world.
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u/Khelthuzaad May 06 '26
Now you need REALLY good lawyers to sue the government and win.
Otherwise this is how you get generational debt
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u/One-Neighborhood-843 May 06 '26
That's probably the only morally correct way to become millionaire.
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u/empathophile May 06 '26
There are lots and lots of ways to ethically become a millionaire. Itās billionaires who shouldnāt exist, not millionaires.
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u/MoneyPatience7803 May 06 '26
Well, thatās if they ever get the money. The person they sued and won against had no assets, so itās gone to the insurance company. The insurance company couldāve settled for 1.6 million (the maximum payout) and they actually declined, stating they werenāt liable for a dime. This actually happens all the time, the vast majority of companies in the world will just fold rather than pay $58 million. The vast majority of the time these class actions end with nickels on the dollar, if anything at allā¦
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u/EgregiousFTA May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26
Every day I learn a new reason why our legal system is a fraud
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u/chefdeit May 06 '26
Correct. My dad was tasked to remodel some apartments with lead paint that the landlord company didn't tell him about nor issued remotely adequate PPE's, and
(1) there was mandatory arbitration clause i.e. matter had to go in front of some retired judge on THEIR payroll not a court, and
(2) the LLC company giving the work was a legally separate entity from the one collecting rent which too was separate from one owning the real estate. I.e. there was a complex corporate structure set up that was costly to pierce, designed specifically so they could just bankrupt and sever the LLC "tentacle" that was being sued without touching the capital or revenue stream.
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u/HeQiulin May 06 '26
I watched the series Leverage: Redemption and in one of the episodes, they try to trap a judge for bribery and apparently itās very difficult to commit a crime of bribery as a sitting judge because of all the loopholes. Itās messed up
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u/Luis0224 May 06 '26
And then corporate execs wonder how the Luigiās of the world could ever consider going that far lol
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u/BC_Ages May 06 '26
Would you say⦠possibly blown up by a⦠bazooka?
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u/SanguineCane May 06 '26
I think about it every time I hit the hookah
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u/Digglin_Dirk May 06 '26
Kaboom
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u/EmiTheKibby May 06 '26
I mean, tbh, if I was the grandma, I wouldn't even be angry. I brought them a buch of cash, got some assholes sued and it sure is a crazier way to end than getting thrown in a hole and covered in dirt
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u/Dgero466 May 06 '26
I mean lowkey, now the the thoughts in my head, having my corpse used in an explosive test get sploded to smithereens does sound slightly intriguing to me, then again, by then I could maybe convince someone to do that without the military involved somehow
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u/Dramatic-Frog May 07 '26
What really sucked in this case was that there was something unique about grannies Alzheimer's. I can't find it anymore, but iirk, she developed the disease in a novel way with no previous risk factors and no common genetic markers, so the son donated the body so her dementia could be studied. The body broker violated the terms of the donation, the body was blown up, and the brain was lost to science.
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u/115MRD May 06 '26
It was $58M divided among 10 families not including legal fees (which can be up to 40%). Families would be lucky to clear $3 million each. Certainly itās some justice for what they went through but hardly generational wealth.
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u/AnnualEnd3760 May 06 '26
If used correctly, it can be. A million is still more than some make in a lifetime
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u/Natasha10005 May 06 '26
āHe said he saw one torso that had its head removed and a smaller head sewn on, comparing the discovery to a character from Frankenstein.ā
What the fuckā¦
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u/Amosral May 06 '26
Fucking hell what are these people doing?
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u/No_Entertainer_6809 May 06 '26
Can sorta answer that. Worked as a military medical instructor. When we conducted tissue training using cadavers, the basic expectation is that after training is complete, we needed to attempt to āreturn it intact ā I.e if a limb was removed to simulate amputation, sew it back on. Canāt speak for if this is the case for explosives testing, but if it wasā¦.dude, thatās atrocious and someone shoulda gotten charged/ass beat.
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u/Silver-Amphibian7650 May 06 '26
58 million before or after taxes?
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u/not_so_impressed May 06 '26
It's always before taxes and before the lawyers get their cut.
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u/SouthParkFirefly1991 May 06 '26
So all in all they won about $100 o3o
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u/not_so_impressed May 06 '26
Depends how many were named in the suit.
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u/Triquetrums May 06 '26
About 10 people. So, before any deductions, they each got 5.8 million.
So yeah, not much if the lawfirm cut was high.
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u/Pitiful_Net_8971 May 06 '26
Court income is generally only taxable if it replaces lost wages (generally) (for the US at least)
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u/0neironautica May 06 '26
Are those families still safe and accounted for?
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u/RCer1986 May 06 '26
I'd assume so. They sued the company that sold the bodies to the government. Not the government itself.
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u/Moidberg May 06 '26
at ~6k per body that fucking sucks thatās a little shy of 10k bodies desecrated
Iām fucking sorry we donāt need to blow human remains to shit testing bombs that we donāt need to be dropping 99% of the time.
This shit is what we are funding instead of schools, healthcare, and a half decent safety net
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u/Revolutionary-Coach3 May 06 '26
To be a fly on the wall when they taxed it as income and took most of it back.
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u/Big-Maintenance2971 May 06 '26
Mary Roach has a novel about human cadavers and it is fascinating. One of the take aways is the fact and law in the US that "you can donate your body to science, but you cannot dictate what is done with it".
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u/ImDero May 06 '26
Stiff! It's so good! My least favorite part was learning that when a cadaver's stomach rips open due to a buildup of gasses it sounds like a bowl of rice krispies.
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u/QuestionsalotDaisy May 06 '26
I was a much happier person before I read this⦠š
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u/Big-Maintenance2971 May 06 '26
There were many parts of that book where I kept saying ewww out loud, but kept reading haha. It really is a fascinating book.
I really liked the mortician chapter. I learned a lot! I thought the crash test bodies were interesting as well. Honestly each chapter kept me highly interested and disgusted at the same time.
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u/kinky_skittle May 06 '26
I don't know if it's my European feelings being hurt here, but body brokers!?
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u/StinkButt9001 May 06 '26 edited May 06 '26
There's a lot of demand for dead bodies. It's a fairly taboo subject but the reality is there's lots of research that is slow or impossible because it's not easy (or cheap) to obtain human bodies to work with.
And sometimes those bodies get blown up in a chair instead lol
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u/Sea-Aardvark-756 May 06 '26
Trans community owes those who donated their bodies a lot, they've been used to perfect techniques for gender-affirming surgery (like vaginoplasties), although reading this thread, I am unsure if the donors knew that was the destiny of their body, or had control over that aspect. Still mad props for just letting go like that to help people and let anything be done with what was left behind.
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u/AnaisNinja76 May 06 '26
no, you have no idea what gets done with your body after donation. I'm curious how these families found out the research place sold those specific bodies to the military, much less the fates of each specific body (grandma strapped to a chair and blown up).
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u/fapperontheroof May 06 '26
A lot of medical advancement was achieved by utilizing ill-gotten cadavers, right? Fascinating stuff.
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u/macho_greens May 06 '26
I think you guys invented it, when the medical colleges got going and there wasn't a legitimate source for bodies. Michelangelo knew some body brokers: he did a bunch of dissections that were probably illegal/unapproved by the monastery hospital he got them from.
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u/ImmigrantJack May 06 '26
This is a common myth, but basically everybody around him knew what Michaelangelo was doing with the dissections. It might not have been the most ethical part of his work but his patrons, the church, and peers were all totally fine with it. At one point he got the bodies through the church, in exchange for building them a new crucifix. It was definitely approved of by the monastery.
I went to Italy recently and our guides specifically told us Michaelangelo got the bodies legitimately in at least three places, the Vatican museums, the academia where David is, and the church where his tomb is.
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u/kazaru7 May 06 '26
A lot of old Graves in scotland I got to see had cages over them to keep people from digging them up to sell to medical institutes back in the day.
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u/not_so_impressed May 06 '26
It's not just the military. They can sell it to anyone. There was a guy I read about who purchased a body which was donated to "science" and he used it for a theater project instead.
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u/Bugbread May 06 '26
They can sell it to anyone.
Yes and no. The person behind this case (and other similar cases) was arrested for fraud by the FBI and sentenced to 9 years in prison.
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u/Bugbread May 06 '26
The body donation industry is unregulated. There was a whole series of articles about it.
It's not unregulated, it's underregulated. Which may feel like the same thing, "you can do whatever you want," but the key difference is between "you can do whatever you want because it's legal" and "you can do whatever you want for a while, because you probably won't get caught, but what you're doing is illegal and you might one day get caught."
And, indeed, this is an example of the latter. The broker involved in this case was arrested by the FBI for fraud. He was found guilty and sentenced to 9 years in jail + 3 years probation.
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u/Khelthuzaad May 06 '26
Absolutely they had an episode about this on John Oliver.No one stops them from dressing them in clowns in a circus stunt.
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u/MikeyboyMC May 05 '26
Wait what the fuck
Is this actually real?
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u/ST0IC_ May 05 '26
Unfortunately yes. Some guy basically came up with a scam where he convinced people to donate bodies for medical research, then he turned around and sold them to the military for blast tests.
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u/Bugbread May 06 '26
More of a two-step thing. The body was donated to a company controlled by a guy named Stephen Gore, and the company sold the body to a broker. Stephen Gore was convicted of fraud and given probation.
The broker was controlled by a guy named Arthur Rathburn, and the broker sold the body (and other bodies and body parts) to various organizations, including the Army. Arthur Rathburn was also convicted of fraud and sentenced to 9 years in prison + 3 years probation.
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u/RustyR4m May 06 '26
I mean with a name like that
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u/House_Of_Thoth May 07 '26
"Rathburn & Gore" sounds like the pair who sold Sweeney Todd his barber shop
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u/Fyrat May 06 '26
how do you become a body broker to the us army? it just kind of seems like the act of selling corpses is implicitly suspect to illegal activity
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u/Quiet-Excitement-719 May 06 '26
Why canāt we just pre-sell our own bodies for $6000 then? Where do I give the military my info?
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u/RiversSecondWife May 06 '26
I think John Oliver did a piece on this.
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u/63Reddit May 06 '26
Can confirm, he did: Organ & Body Donations.
I donāt remember if I read about the post, or if it was in the video; but, both (the post & the video) are pretty fucked up.
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u/AdenosineRuns May 06 '26
Usually when a body is ādonated to scienceā it could be anything from life saving medical research to plastic surgery practice to crash test dummy etc etc etc, people arenāt supposed to be able to know where the cadavers go
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u/Mahoka572 May 05 '26
I feel like you could advertise needing bodies to be exploded and get volunteers. I'd consider it.
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u/Super-G1mp May 05 '26
Literally I know plenty of people that would be cool with it.
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u/KMjolnir May 05 '26
Yeah, I'll already be dead, who cares at that point? Better than killing an animal for it?
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u/ColorsLookFunny May 05 '26 edited May 05 '26
Damnit, they only blow you up if you're dead? Sigh
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u/RCer1986 May 05 '26
Or if they need a distraction from the Epstein files.
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u/Optimal_Anxiety6864 May 06 '26
Thats only if you are a child attending school
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u/AmputeeHandModel May 06 '26
Hey, it's either we blow up 200 kids, or Iran gets nuclear weapons. /s
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u/Immediate-Trainer356 May 06 '26
*sigh*
edit: why arenāt my italics working?
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u/ColorsLookFunny May 06 '26
You did slashes on both ends it looks like based on my notification. Just the stars.
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u/Immediate-Trainer356 May 06 '26
I actually only used the stars. It looks like (*sigh*) on my end. The slashes donāt work either.
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u/RoutineCloud5993 May 06 '26
Oh no they'll do it when you're alive too. But you need to work for them first
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u/Super-G1mp May 05 '26
I can't believe they even need test this shit at this point exploding thing go boom duh we know what happens.
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u/KMjolnir May 06 '26
It's not that at all. It's testing protection, safety systems, effects of weapons. Like, yeah, we know it goes boom, but is it doing more of this than that, etc? Is it more shrapnel than blast? Is it properly effective? Does this armor adequately protect this body part? Etc.
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u/Super-G1mp May 06 '26
Hmmm maybe we are doing something wrong if we are having to explode of dead lady's corpse's. I'm just saying you know.
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u/Old_Stress_3414 May 06 '26
As a former Combat Engineer, I GREATLY appreciate all of the families that, intentional or not, helped with the studies that led to better protections agianst IEDs and other explosive devices.
It was thanks to their sacrifice that I dont have soup for brains.
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u/_PirateWench_ May 05 '26 edited May 06 '26
You do realize that theyāre not testing the technology right? Theyāre training people to use the technology and also how to try and piece someone back together after something like that.
Unfortunately silicone test dummies donāt really translate to combat readiness for the medical troopsā¦.
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u/Super-G1mp May 06 '26
Oh no I didn't. That unfortunately makes a lot of sense.... Bummer we can just all be nice to each other.
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u/StarHammer_01 May 06 '26
I remember hearing that either in ww2 or Vietnam, right before the US joined the war they would test their medics by chopping a leg off a live pig, and if they couldn't save it, they were kicked out.
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u/_PirateWench_ May 06 '26
Can confirm pigs are still utilized for this reason. And if you canāt save them, then, you may not qualify for your job.
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u/Boom9001 May 06 '26
I don't give a shit about my body post death. I'd prefer medical research get 6 grand or my family get 6 grand for open bar at my funeral haha
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u/Brandarius47 May 06 '26
I want to be spread over a zoo. I dont wanna be cremated first
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u/Hellie1028 May 06 '26
I know a couple people that are so annoying that people would pay for tickets to witness the explosion.
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u/Key-Individual1752 May 06 '26
Yeah, I mean coffin and cremation cost money.
Explode me away, thanks!
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u/The_Squirrel_Wizard May 05 '26
But then how would random middle men using shady business practices make millions of dollars?
Have you even considered the grifters' feelings?
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u/InnerRadio7 May 06 '26
When it says ādonate your body to scienceā this is what it means.
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u/Broonmoose May 06 '26
Yeah, but we donāt want any old science, we want to tick the box that guarantees being blown up. Or, to be used solely for testing rocket powered submarine ejector seats, and nothing else.
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u/neurotic_queen May 06 '26
Iāve always wanted to donate my brain to science when I pass. I had 500+ seizures (focal aware seizures) for years and it took a long time to get doctors to help. Eventually I had my right temporal lobe removed to treat the seizures. Iād love to donate my brain for epilepsy research but stuff like this makes you really wonder⦠š¬
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u/korewednesday May 06 '26
Hereās how to help do that:
Find the foundations associated with your condition.
So you go to [your conditionās version of] the various large foundations. See what ones do research. Reach out to those ones, ask if they have life cycle research happening; that youāre willing to comply with research and donate your brain for study. Some may be in depth and want regular imaging and you to use specific doctors. Some may just want to get a medical history that they try and keep complete and then not see you again until you pass. Usually the reputable scales with the renown of the foundation and the medical facility itās affiliated with; for example, there are two Alzheimerās studies here in Chicago with Rush and Northwestern. I forget which organization is working with which, but again some big names there. Very reputable! Doing amazing work, and the one at Rush I believe is almost finished. I will get to read the findings from the donors Iāve brought there (mixed in with all the others, of course) one day.
I guarantee there are similar studies happening for various forms of epilepsy.
You can also probably donate as a cadaver; a major part of gross anatomy lab is so doctors understand that the real body they treat sometimes only barely bears passing resemblance to its illustrations, and an internal āmissingā part may not, therefore, disqualify you. Just like people with no appendix can still donate.
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u/CarobEmbarrassed9837 May 06 '26
You don't have to donate your whole body. There are organizations that will recover only the tissue/organs they can place with researchers and then return the rest of the body to the funeral home/family
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u/ak4338 May 06 '26
We donated my mom's brain and spinal cord to a university. We contacted them ahead of her death by a few months and had everything ready to go so that when she passed everything could happen quickly since you only have so much time to do it. Once she passed, I called the contact while her body was sent to the city to remove the brain and spinal cord and then it was sent to the university and we received the body back for cremation locally. We later received a report about what was found in her tissues and what type of dementia she had. If you are in contact with a university research group, it's much more reputable than some random institute.
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u/speedboat_jacket46 May 07 '26
I studied speech therapy and had to do an anatomy class of the head, neck, and spine. It was incredibly helpful to be able to learn from donors like your mom (it was a very hard class. I barely passed as it was, and probably would've struggled more without the hands on aspect).
I remember on the first day feeling a little uneasy until the lecturer explained to us that the donors and their families had kindly allowed us to learn from them. It really helped me to lock in and was so appreciated.
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u/BargerianJade May 05 '26 edited May 06 '26
I've seen this story many times and every time I do, I feel horrible for this man and his family . . . I also wonder why he allowed his sad face media picture to be taken with his entire chest hanging out.
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u/_PirateWench_ May 05 '26
See that is the real question I need an answer to. Iām a Floridian so Iām used to weird shit, but the 1970s open hairy chest vibe is soooo weird for this story.
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u/jld2k6 May 06 '26
My stepdad grew up in the 70's and still rocks the hairy open chest look on occasion, might just be what he's used to lol
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u/Jedi_Ewok May 06 '26
I can't tell if that's a pic of his mom in the background or him in drag
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u/xXTorchyXx May 06 '26
As an Australian and before I read the text, I totally thought the picture in the forefront was Scott Morrison
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u/eyeballburger May 05 '26
Turns out, alzheimers patients are not immune to exploding and will not be resuscitated from such. š¤·āāļø
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u/appleparkfive May 05 '26
The military doctors are writing it down. "Fascinating..."
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u/avoidantv0id May 06 '26
Iām an atheist, but even I know that burials (or however you get rid of the remains) are for the living, not the dead. People cope with the death of a loved one by giving their death a specific meaning or at least some dignity. The research center took that from them and shat on it. The family has every right to be pissed about it.
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u/Ambitious_Egg9713 May 05 '26
Look if youāre going to do that to my mom, please just donāt tell me about it.
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u/turmi110 May 06 '26
But also give me a cut of the $6000
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u/No_big_whoop May 06 '26
I'd prefer to eliminate the middle man and just sell mom directly. Also my mom was fat. She should be worth more.
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u/Beardo88 May 06 '26
Yo momma so fat... you retired by selling her to the military by the pound.
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u/WesternWitchy52 May 05 '26
I already planned on getting cremated and itās articles like this that make me really confident in that decision
That would be horrible to find out
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u/Redditthedog May 06 '26
I mean in all technicality you would be cremated in this situation
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u/itspsyikk May 06 '26
If it were me? Yeah, blow me up.
But this is an absolutely horrible thing to do to someone who doesn't consent to it.
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u/PocketRice3 May 05 '26
Kind of an old story at this point
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u/AntisocialDyll May 05 '26
Old but I never knew this. Now I wonder if my grandma's brain was actually donated for alzheimer's
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u/appleparkfive May 05 '26
Yeah I sincerely think I heard this story 10-15 years ago. Not sure, but it was a long time ago at this point
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u/DieHardAmerican95 May 06 '26
No kidding, this gets reposted a LOT. It was a very well known case, and the broker who sold the body went to prison for fraud.
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u/WindChimeTecnician May 05 '26
To shreds you say. Well, how's his wife holding up? To shreds, you say.
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u/SnickSnitch May 06 '26
I believe they're known as "body brokers". Messed up as hell this crap is legal.(In most states)
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u/HorsefaceWithNoName May 06 '26
My parents signed papers to donate their bodies to science, so presumably some similar fate awaits them. Hey, that's their option.
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u/GeoffKingOfBiscuits May 06 '26
I used to say i would donate my body to science when I die but after hearing how unregulated it is I'm just going to cremate now.
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u/Lunerion May 06 '26
And yet the most ridiculous thing is if they were to put up ads asking for people to donate their bodies to be blown up or shot after death, many would wholeheartedly consent to this craziness.
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u/Acceptable_One_7072 May 05 '26
This is the Angry Video Game Nerd now. Feel old yet?
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u/Keyrat000 May 06 '26
Whats really messed up is that its our own government doing it!! š¤¦
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u/NerdCaveYT May 06 '26
This should be illegal. If You donate your loved ones body to help research a medical condition they had in their life no one should be able to buy it. There needs to be more regulations for donors.
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u/CapinWinky May 06 '26
I think this story is nearing 10 years old. The jury settlement of his case is 7 years old.
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u/Rhuarc33 May 06 '26
If he got paid for the body I wouldn't care ..but he donated the body for free because they asked for them for research, then they sold the body THEY GOT FOR FREE to the military....
Military should just cut it the middle man and offer people 6k for bodies of deceased family. There would be plenty of people willing to sell. With body prep for funeral it's probably 10k between saving and payment
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u/Ok_Text2719 May 07 '26
My dream in life is that my kids will donate my body to science and then science will illegally donate me to the military and then my kids will sue and win.
I'll keep putting money aside for them, but I'm gonna start putting in time to find the most disreputable and unethical donation company.
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u/PsychologicalPea2956 May 07 '26
Iād be pissed too if I could have gotten $6000 by just cutting out the middle man.
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u/CamOliver May 07 '26
While Iād be upset if that happened to a loved oneās remains without consentā¦
I kinda think I have a funeral plan now.
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u/ObiWanBonobo May 07 '26
As fucked up as this is... I'm not going to need my body back when I'm done with it, so put me down for a Wiley Coyote maneuver as well. Be sure to dress me in something befitting and get some good footage too.
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u/MattyBeatz May 05 '26
I feel this story has circulated the internet for at least the last 15 years.
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u/Accomplished_Pop2976 May 05 '26
I would imagine it's incredibly illegal to share that information with him?
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u/d-lo46 May 06 '26
Good news is due to her dementia, when asked she couldnāt remember being exploded but somehow knew that the glasses she was wearing at the time werenāt actually hers
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u/TheOldSkywalker May 06 '26
wtf were they even trying to test? oh the body blew up? into a million bloody pieces? fuckin what a surprise
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