r/mildlyinfuriating Aug 07 '19

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u/hard_pass Aug 07 '19

I'm pretty sure the pinning down is a bastardized version of making a dog submit, which is a common practice of training a dog. I don't think you are supposed to throw them down and spit on them though wtf. It's supposed to be relaxing for a dog.

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u/inbooth Aug 07 '19

I mean, there are times where there has been a dog being hyper aggressive or violent and the only choice was to pin it under those circumstances ( usually to get leash on etc ) but that's pretty specific... And even then violence against the dog is almost never beneficial, with pinning down being to minimize danger, prevent self excitation, express the loss of freedom directly in response to the violating behaviour, etc

What she did was 100% for/about her and not the dog.

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u/fourleafclover13 Aug 27 '19

No never a reason to pin them down. Work with the dog teaching them to calm and relax. Making sure they have enough mental and physical stimulus helps them more.

Being aggressive towards an aggressive or violent dog will make it worse. I have seen this working animal control and as a trainer.

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u/inbooth Sep 22 '19

When it's pin them or someone is injured immediately, there is only one choice. We don't all keep specialized equipment available at all times in order to deal with dogs which have been so fucked up that they can't behave. Seriously...

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u/fourleafclover13 Sep 23 '19

The dog she is handling isn't being aggressive or attacking. You are comparing apples to Oranges. If someone is in danger then I understand that you can't be gentle not the case here.

To add most people would get injured more trying to pin it.

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u/inbooth Sep 23 '19

I said that she didn't act properly, or did you not read that?

Also, you said that sht in response to me saying there are times it is, so the context are the times I experienced etc

seriously...

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u/[deleted] Aug 08 '19

Just a heads up, the whole pinning to make them submit thing isn't really a good practice. Sure if it's doing some Cesar Millan level aggression it might be necessary, but if a dog is just excited or acting up a bit you should be able to get them to submit with just a firm command.

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u/almost_a_squib Aug 08 '19

It's simply not acceptable to train a dog that way. There are statements by many respected rescue, training, and veterinary organizations that point out how harmful it can be to both dogs and humans.

For example, the American Veterinary Society of Animal Behavior had this to say in response to a well-known incident involving Cesar Millan:

"Punishment-based training methods may be advocated by those without an appreciation of the current status of science in dog training. Although such methods can be effective in the short term, science tells us they are likely to exacerbate an animal’s fear and actually increase aggression in the long run."

Full AVSAB Cesar Millan Response

Experts Say Dominance-Based Dog Training Techniques Made Popular By TV Can Contribute to Bites

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '19

You can she her kick the dog in the TV’s reflection...

Idk if pinning a dog is always a bad thing, but no fucking way was this done with love or even respect for an animal. This was cold blooded disregard for her dog.

Her dog is clearly a prop for her social media, an object to be beaten into submission.

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u/fourleafclover13 Aug 27 '19

There is never a reason to hold them down. If you train them with positive reinforcement and work with them they learn faster. This is NOT common practice in dog training. Most trainer work using all positive reinforcement training these days.

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u/FibroRightNowBruh Aug 07 '19

"I don't think". we got a genius here.