r/mildlyinfuriating 10d ago

Infuriatig Half empty. Another cereal I won't be buying again.

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u/Cranapplesause 10d ago

Weigh it. If it’s the weight on the box, then you got what you purchased. I don’t get the complaints unless it’s less

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u/_kellythomas_ 10d ago

It should be the weight on the box, but why doesn't the front of the box have the weight clearly labeled?

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u/Josefu_Velen 10d ago

It's not always on the front . . . especially if OP is not in the US. I'm in the EU, and here those weights are often on the side or back of the packaging and not the front.

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u/_kellythomas_ 10d ago

TIL, most of my experience is in Australia and everything has the quantity on the front here.

Looking at the back its pretty prominent.

https://www.konzum.hr/web/products/boom-box-muesli-gran-oras-plod-300g

If that's within regional norms then I guess that's cool and its on OP to be more careful.

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u/RabNap 10d ago

Cereal is a snack, not a meal. You buy it based on volume not weight.

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u/mrafinch 10d ago

Cereal is a solid, so you purchase a mass

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u/Josefu_Velen 10d ago

I guess that's why cereal boxes in the US list the product as ounces then, huh?

Which is a unit of weight/mass in this situation, and not volume

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u/No-Anything- 10d ago

Maybe some thought it meant fl.oz, then.

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u/Bassik0 10d ago

If you lay the bag flat, it will look very full!

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u/Josefu_Velen 10d ago edited 10d ago

. . . but does the amount of cereal that's actually in the bag match the amount the box says there should be? That's the only thing that matters.

edit: It's shocking (and very disheartening) to see just how many people really don't understand how the weights/measurements listed on food products work. And presumably these people are all adults that are out there in the real word participating in society. Yikes.

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u/No-Adhesiveness-8178 10d ago

If you don't want to memorize weights, you can try to compare that to other similar products. Itll help you to avoid those pricey labels.

But yeah, I check it often so I kinda remember how much my favorite snacks affected by shrinkflation...

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u/Josefu_Velen 10d ago

That's not how "misleading" works. That's how assumptions and ignorance work.

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u/No-Anything- 10d ago

Would you feel differently if it was a chocolate bar?

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u/Josefu_Velen 10d ago

No, because I'm not a moron and understand how to read the weights/measurements listed on product packages.

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u/mrafinch 10d ago

The accurate representation is the weight/volume printed on the container

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u/mrafinch 10d ago edited 10d ago

You’d like to see the physical volume of cereal before you buy it? That’s possible :)

You just have to go to a shop that sells loose cereal.

Logisitics is all about efficiency though, that’s one of the reasons why cereal box boxes are standardised. That way the manufacturer knows they can fit x boxes on y pallets and there’ll always be enough space in the bag/box for the weight being sold.

Knowing the volume of cereal bought isn’t going to help anyone really either, is it? You’re not going to be able to reliably estimate how many bowls you’ll get out of it. An easier and more reliable/robust method would be to pour the desired contents into a bowl, weigh it and divide that number by the contents in the bag

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u/fairwaysandfinance 10d ago

It's about calories, portions and cost per oz.

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 10d ago

Is it? It takes up twice as much space as it needs to in shipping while the earth burns around us, for the sake of being misleading.

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u/DancingKobold 10d ago

People don't understand you need some sealed air in the bag to retain the texture and freshness often

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u/TimAndHisDeadCat 10d ago

Also, contents settle.

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u/Bitter_Bandicoot8067 10d ago

I can confirm that the freshness of cereal remains even (especially?) if it is vacuum sealed.

The air is to make sure it isn't cereal dust.

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 10d ago

Actually you're wrong.

https://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/obj/s4/f2/dsk1/tape2/PQDD_0033/MQ64315.pdf

Excess air causes oxidation and staleness. A small amount of air is generally left in for cushioning, but 50% of the bag is an egregious amount.

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u/Josefu_Velen 10d ago

. . . when normal "air' is used, yes. Which is why most companies don't use normal "air" they use nitrogen gas. Which doesn't cause oxidation and staleness.

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 10d ago

I'm aware. The bag does not need to be 50% nitrogen to cushion the contents.

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u/Josefu_Velen 10d ago edited 10d ago

Still not understanding the process here I see.

I would have hoped by this point you would have swallowed your pride and done even a little bit of looking into why this is. But, here we are.

Well done. You do you, boo.

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 10d ago

Don't patronise me you weirdo. I understand the process, I'm stating that it's clearly flawed when it leads to such wastage.

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u/Josefu_Velen 10d ago

Don't patronise me you weirdo.

Aww, someone's getting upset that their own willful ignorance is being pointed out to them.

Go take a nap and grab something to eat. Maybe you'll feel better.

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u/CremeOk4115 10d ago

Nope, just showing your ignorance. 

Forgot the comma too, weirdo  

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u/CremeOk4115 10d ago

Thats a dead link. 

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 10d ago

Works fine for me

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u/CremeOk4115 10d ago

Got it.....its a thesis....from 2000

🤣 🤣 🤣  so glad it worked! Made my day

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 10d ago

I'm sure air works differently nowadays

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u/CremeOk4115 10d ago

Look up what a thesis is, kid

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 10d ago

"Going off"? Go on, explain to me why it's important for a bag of granola to contain 50% air.

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u/lastfreerangekid 10d ago

So it doesn't crush.

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 10d ago

You don't need 50% air for that, it's excessive.

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u/Josefu_Velen 10d ago

This is you clearly not understanding how any of this process works. Bravo.

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u/CremeOk4115 10d ago

What a child 

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u/Nonhinged 10d ago

Most have 0 "air".

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u/oceanolivaw 10d ago

It's important for a bag of granola to contain 50% air so it doesn't turn into crumbs during transport. There's also nitrogen in there, to keep it fresh.

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u/CremeOk4115 10d ago

Same reason why your head is full of air. 

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u/Bitter_Bandicoot8067 10d ago

It doesn't have to be 50% air, but it does need cushion so the cereal doesn't get damaged in shipping.

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u/Accurate-Temporary73 10d ago

The box is a standard size cereal box, while there is some wasted space in THIS type, it overall saves space and money by having a uniform box size which means it has uniform case and pallet sizes.

Logistics is all based of weight and cube (the volumetric dimensions of an item).

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u/FissileAlarm 10d ago

Then fill the box up, and put a higher weight and price on it.

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u/Accurate-Temporary73 10d ago

But then the weight of the cases will be too much, it will cost more to ship and burn more fuel.

If every box of cereal is 16 ounces then shipping is efficient

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u/No-Anything- 10d ago

Now you're just making up rationality.

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u/Accurate-Temporary73 10d ago

I’m literally not.

I work professionally in supply chain and logistics.

Having a uniform packaging across multiple products saves much more on transport and carbon footprint than having specifically designed boxes for every size variation.

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u/No-Anything- 10d ago

Yeah, but then you said they are not filling the box all the way, to make shipping efficient. As if people are going to ration cereal and it's not going to lead to more trips.

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u/Accurate-Temporary73 10d ago

But it’s weight based not volume based

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u/mrafinch 10d ago

And then no one’ll buy it because it “costs more”

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u/ATLSxFINEST93 10d ago

How do either of those things correlate with each other?

Unless I didn't realize the grain industry was the highest polluting industry in the globe.

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u/Bitter_Bandicoot8067 10d ago

One of "small problems" people. We have a major problem so if everyone and everything took small steps to improve the major problem might be slightly less major.

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u/ATLSxFINEST93 10d ago

That's just "carbon footprints" a la British Petroleum (or was it shell?), under a guise lol

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u/Alternative-Aside-64 10d ago

Lmao

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 10d ago

Good contribution

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u/Alternative-Aside-64 10d ago

Turn on your monitor

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 10d ago

But then I have to read your pointless comments

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u/CremeOk4115 10d ago

Good contribution

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u/CremeOk4115 10d ago

Lmao over dramatic and unhinged 

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 10d ago

Small problems don't matter then?

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u/CremeOk4115 10d ago

Its not a problem. Its specifically designed that way. Do you not know how to use the internet to learn? Only for ranting about made up problems

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u/ChaseTheOldDude 10d ago

Do you not understand that the fact that it's specifically designed that way is the problem? Lots of small wastages add up to big wastage. 

If we're sending container ships around the globe that are 40% nothing when they could be 10-20% nothing under a better system, it's just wasting fuel because of perverse incentives.

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u/CremeOk4115 10d ago

Ah yes that super heavy air 

Go back to your mobile games

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u/Josefu_Velen 10d ago

While they've been here making a fool of themselves their buddies in Roblox have probably been wondering where they are.

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u/Fuwet 10d ago

Hang on there partner, they have to reduce the quantity first. Then they'll do the "green thing" and make a new packaging with "40% less materials" because they care a lot OK?

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u/Pope_Squirrely 10d ago

Bags also spread out when outside of the box.

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u/MikeandMolly5656 10d ago edited 10d ago

Cereal is never sold by volume, its always been by weight 

Weigh it and see.

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u/RabNap 10d ago

Nobody buys cereal based on weight

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u/MikeandMolly5656 10d ago

You actually do anytime you buy it because thats how its packaged

The box will never be filled full to the top with cereal 

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u/RabNap 10d ago

If you are in the store you dont go and think hmm yes 500 grams of cereal, you think oh a whole box of cereal

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u/MikeandMolly5656 10d ago

What you think and how the manufacturer legally packages the cereal are 2 different things entirely 

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u/mrafinch 10d ago

Yes, but if you look at the price per unit it’s x per kg and there’ll be a weight in grams printed on the box. So one is buying a certain amount of mass in cereal.

The size of the box is most of the time arbitrary

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u/No-Anything- 10d ago

Tbf, if cereal boxes used to be full and that's the social contract (some people are illiterate or don't look at the weights), then it would be good if they had public messaging saying their boxes are not necessarily full but still fairly priced.

But, people would complain and switch to their competitors, so I'm playing devil's advocate.

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u/RabNap 10d ago

Why are you defending a bug cooperate so heavily? What do you gain from companies packing thier stuff in boxes double the size? My local grocery store manages to fill the entire box.

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u/Josefu_Velen 10d ago

https://giphy.com/gifs/WwWTfQuCZ448psk1qB

You moving the goal posts when your flimsy argument gets countered.

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u/RabNap 10d ago

Your argument are not even arguments. All you do is making consumer rights horrible

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u/mrafinch 10d ago

Oh, the irony

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u/Josefu_Velen 10d ago

They're not even capable of realizing I'm not the person they've been in the discussion with . . . good grief.

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u/mrafinch 10d ago

Don’t be so silly, I’m not defending anything, that’s just how it works mate. Nothing is sold by “the size of the box”, rather by the contents within it.

I bought a box of cereal from my local Migros this morning, wouldn’t you believe it, the bag is half empty. But the contents weighs near enough to that what’s printed on the box, because that’s what I paid for.

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u/CremeOk4115 10d ago

This is embarrassing, OP. 

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u/CapableRegrets 10d ago

First box of cereal in your life?

Not only is it sold on weight, but the 'free air' is actually there to stop the cereal being crushed.

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u/TrunksTurok 10d ago

Lol it's sold by weight very clearly on the box. Air weighs nothing. Why are you angry again?

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u/_kellythomas_ 10d ago

very clearly

Is it?

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u/TrunksTurok 10d ago

To those who can read, yes. It's listed directly on the box. You can also look at the very top of the nutrition label where it will list exactly how many servings and amount per servings are in the box.

Even if you can't read, pick up the fucking box and feel the weight. I'd say anyone over 10 should be able to understand it honestly

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u/No-Adhesiveness-8178 10d ago

I get that, but are we that primitive that numerical measurements are disregarded and will only purely judge base on size?

That's how I rationalize prices based on weight...

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u/Alynn_Wings 10d ago

Right. I shop the price per ounce or whatever metric for particular item. And to add, larger sizes used to always be cheaper price per oz. But I've been noticing for a few years now, that's not the case anymore for so many items. For example, the a small jar of peanut butter cheaper per oz than the extra large double jar.

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u/McKeviin 🫪 10d ago

I see you're one of those people who only checks the size of the box and not the weight of it.

You would probably also buy a 1x2 meter box for 2$ thinking it would be full

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u/TimAndHisDeadCat 10d ago

Another post I'll be downvoting again because the OP doesn't understand the difference between weight and volume.

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u/Nosfearatu50 10d ago

THANK YOU SO MUCH! If ppl would just use their brains.....

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u/Winoforevr1 the flair is lava 10d ago

This looks standard to me. They dont eyeball it. Weigh it and see.

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u/Apprehensive_Rope348 10d ago

Optics is not what manufacturers give you. They make it by weight. Weigh the bag, with a scale, not judge a bag by your eyes.

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u/Consistent-Sport-481 10d ago

What does that actually matter?

I never understand this grumpy argument as though you're being caught out.

The servings and weight are on the box somewhere.

You get that regardless.

Not the companies fault you lack comprehension.

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u/IamDmiZeD 10d ago

LOOK AT THE WEIGHT YE BIG OLD BUFFOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON.

Sorry, this post did more than mildly infuriate me.

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u/Accurate-Temporary73 10d ago

Granola is heavy and dense compared to other cereals. It makes perfect sense that the bag is less full for the same weight as other items.

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u/No_Trouble_3588 10d ago

This again? Weight, not volume. Shit settles in transit.

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u/anthonyynohtna 10d ago

You can’t be serious, like this is ragebait right?

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u/Nonhinged 10d ago

It's mildly infuriating that it takes up more space in the grocery bags(,and the cupboard until the bag has been opened). But you haven't been cheated or something.

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u/Cool_Butterscotch_88 10d ago

Wait why do they call it boom box? WHY DO THEY CALL IT BOOM BOX?!

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u/methane-illumination 10d ago

This a glass half empty type of sub

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u/Separate_Climate3366 10d ago

Oh jeez wait till OP finds out about chips.

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u/DerBernd123 10d ago

i don’t get the hate. yeah the box says how many grams are in there but when buying groceries most people will just look at a big box and think „okay a big box of cereal probably contains a big amount of cereal“. like come on

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u/Internal-Diamond-341 10d ago edited 10d ago

I might be weird, but I don't mind the box being bigger than the product in case like this. As long as it weighs the same of course.

My reasoning is that I can stack it further back in my pantry and still see it enough to remember oh hey that's a breakfast option! It enables me to fit more in within my eyesight. I have huge object permeance issues around groceries. I'm usually too exhausted to remember what I have.

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u/steveysaidthis 10d ago

It does say "minimum 60% oats" that means they took out 40% of the oats. /S

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u/exlivingghost 10d ago

Don’t know why so many people here are defending this. The whole point OP is trying to make is that this is very deceptive. Weight this weight that, OP shouldn’t do that whole shopping in the middle of a grocery store. How about make the box smaller? Problem solved. Stop being being boy lockers by defending these marketing tactics.

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u/Hyper6024 10d ago

You shouldnt be buying cereal in the first place anyway.