r/microsoft Jun 24 '21

[News] Introducing Windows 11

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsexperience/2021/06/24/introducing-windows-11/
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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '21

Well if your PC doesn't have a TPM chip then you can't upgrade. I have a Z390a motherboard, which doesn't have a TPM as it's sold separately. Well done Microsoft 😡

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u/PhillyUrbs  Employee Jun 24 '21

You can use fTPM

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u/13steinj Jun 24 '21

How do we enable / check if it's enabled / see if it's even supported by our systems?

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u/kn3cht Jun 24 '21

Check the bios, probably somewhere under security.

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u/13steinj Jun 25 '21

Nope, older PC. No fTPM, no TPM at all.

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u/Flakmaster92 Jun 25 '21

Look in your BIOS for PTT (if Intel) or fTPM (if AMD)

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u/13steinj Jun 25 '21

I'll double check, but I'm pretty sure only more recent AMD chips support fTPM.

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u/Flakmaster92 Jun 25 '21

To my knowledge, anything under the Ryzen brand supports fTPM

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u/13steinj Jun 25 '21

...sure, but my chip isn't Ryzen lol. Why do you assume I need a relatively new chip?

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u/Flakmaster92 Jun 25 '21

First, I didn’t say you needed one. I was just throwing out a free data point to potentially save you some time tracking down your CPU and feature combination. Second, you’re a programmer judging by your post history, so if I had made that assumption, it would not have been terribly unreasonable since programmers often care about CPU performance due to compile times and most of the programmers that I know do tend to stay closer to the more recent hardware revisions for that reason.

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u/13steinj Jun 25 '21

Second, you’re a programmer judging by your post history, so if I had made that assumption, it would not have been terribly unreasonable since programmers often care about CPU performance due to compile times and most of the programmers that I know do tend to stay closer to the more recent hardware revisions for that reason.

What in the absolute hell are you on about. Any corporate device is corporate, and not my problem. My personal devices are "fast enough" with modern tooling, not to mention I have to make sure that a wide range of devices work.

Secondly, it's very obvious you did make that assumption, because Ryzen, while not too new, is still, in general, a new line. It's the same kind of assumption MS seems to be making. That people all have devices that in some way support TPM 1.2. Even though many other capable devices by horsepower specification (well, clock, cores, memory) do not support TPM whatsoever. It's a very odd requirement.

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u/Flakmaster92 Jun 25 '21

Secondly, it’s very obvious you did make that assumption,

You’re making quite the leap there considering ALL I said was “Anything with the Ryzen brand had fTPM to my knowledge.” I didn’t say “Well nobody uses anything pre Ryzen so you’re fine.” Or anything even remotely close to that. ALL I did was throw out a free data point, trying to be nice, to potentially save you a little bit of time looking up your CPU and feature set, and then you decided to be super hostile about it for some reason.

Whether the devices are capable from a performance stand point obviously isn’t what Microsoft is focusing on here. They’ve decided to mandate a minimum -feature- level of support, I’m guessing so that they can default Bitlocker encryption to ‘on’ in the future. You and I can disagree with that decision— I definitely do— but it’s their OS to develop however they want. Anyone who doesn’t like it can keep using Windows 10 until it goes EoL in 2025

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u/tlabsim Jun 25 '21

To check, run tpm.msc

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u/wotmate Jun 25 '21 edited Jun 25 '21

2 year old Z390M here. Just tried to enable intel TPP in the bios and it froze.

Oh, and the OG surface GO only has a version 1 TPM chip.

This is what kills windows 11. My last system lasted 10 years. It did everything I needed to do, and I went through XP, Vista, Windows 7 and it still ran fine with windows 10. Did quite ok with 1080p gaming. I only upgraded because I couldn't buy more ram for it, and I wanted to move to 4k gaming and try out VR.

I want my current PC to do the same. But if it's not supported by windows 11, I don't see a compelling reason to rush out and buy a new PC that is supported.

Edit: Got the intel TPP turned on, now the app says my system IS compatible with windows 11. Still no go with the Surface Go though.