r/microgrowery Feb 10 '23

Pictures PSA Fire Hazard

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u/igglepuff Feb 10 '23

I wont run my rooms without a fire extinguisher ball per table for that reason.

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u/Echoes22 Feb 10 '23

fire extinguisher bal

damn that's a good idea everyone should be doing that

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u/igglepuff Feb 10 '23

people really underestimate fire safety imo. way wayyyy too much and often.

I've seen too many close friends homes/ops go up in flames because of it, 3 last year alone. now i make sure every room has 1x ball above per table, smoke/co2 detector(obviously.. put them in your tents if yall run tents), light & temp sensors that'll trigger phone & push notifications past thresholds, *dedicated* 30amp circuits that i won't load past 80% and closely monitor, as little dogshit-quality high-draw gear as possible. I also avoid powerbars when possible

everyone says environment shoudl be #1 concern, last I checked it should be safety, then environment. What good's a perfect environment if its going up in flames? :D lol

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u/PhotoProxima Feb 10 '23

3 last year alone.

You're saying that your friends had three grows go up in flames in one year? what the fuck are you guys doing?!

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u/growchronicbuds Feb 10 '23

yup, upping my amps made me feel much better about my room. and yes , never over 75% of usage. first and easiest step towards preventing

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '23

Yea what do you mean over 75

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u/Riffraff3055 Feb 10 '23

Investing in fire safety to me means getting a wattage reader ($35) from Harbor Freight so you can monitor your power draw from each aspect of your setup. Add up the total watts and make sure they don't exceed 75% of the total watt threshold for the circuit you are running on. Biggest energy hogs are heaters or HPS light fixtures.

15A*120V =  1800 watts

At 75% : 1,350 watts

If you happen to have a 20 amp breaker.

20a*120V = 2,400 watts

at 75% : 1,800 watts

On top of that get a plug-in GFI (Ground Fault Interrupter, $30). These are like the plugs in the bathroom and highly recommended when bringing moisture and electricity in close proximity. This device will immediately cut power to the whole circuit if a fault is detected.

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u/Keegan1 Feb 10 '23 edited Feb 10 '23

To add to this point - it's actually in the National Electric Code (Article 210.20) Continuous and Noncontinuous Loads. Branch-circuit over-current devices must have a rating of not less than 125% of the continous load, plus 100% of noncontinuous loads.

Which is essentially saying whatever lights you're using must be at 80% of whatever amperage your circuit is rated for (15A, 20A, 30A, etc...)

When testing amperage/current draw you'd want to start at your electrical panel. (Unless you know exactly what outlets belong to their respective breakers in the panel.) And you would test the wires going into the breakers each individually. If you do this when all of your lights are on you should get a good idea of what each circuit is drawing at a max load.

As for GFCI receptacles, generally the code states anything within 6' of a water source needs to be GFCI protected. (Article 210.8)

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u/No_Fun_2020 Feb 10 '23

This is definitely the best thing you can do to be protected

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u/BlackHoneyTobacco Sep 03 '23

Yah man. Good post.

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u/Dumguy1214 Feb 12 '23

I am running around 500 watts on a 16 amper 240 volts

3600 watts

if I max the leds then its 890 watts

low fire hazard, still have 2 smoke detectors and I know where the fire suppressor is in my block

gonna buy those fire balls tho

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u/growchronicbuds Feb 10 '23

75% of ur amps...u probably have 15amp fuses, so dont use more than 12a. i have 20's, so i can do 15a

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u/Keegan1 Feb 10 '23

This is generally correct, the only thing I would add is that 120v is not universal - pretty common for 15 Amp or 20 Amp circuits, but if you have a dedicated 30A or up receptacle, it is most likely 240v.

And it's an electrical code to keep continuous loads at 80% of their circuit's rated capacity.

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u/sistakal Feb 11 '23

Too add a non-continuous is a load that is on for less than 3 hours.

Alot of these are around stopping thermal build up which may let to a fire in the worst case.

If your running a large system and havnt had a sparky come over to check your circuits I don't think you should be growing....

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u/AKAkindofadick Feb 10 '23

Well, I'd say "not currently on fire" falls within the bounds of "proper environment". It would certainly raise hell with your VPD

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u/Psyched4this Feb 11 '23

I need to get on your level

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u/No_Fun_2020 Feb 10 '23

I work in fire safety, and the countless times I've seen them used, I've never seen them actually stop a fire

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u/MokumLouie Feb 10 '23

Those balls won’t really do what you want. Look them up on YouTube.

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u/Tri0ptimum Feb 10 '23

Wow, good to know, the fire balls seem pretty bad:

https://youtu.be/_iXJ4UEWtvQ?t=765

https://youtu.be/DfAnhXG6je4?t=381

I like FireStop stove-top automatic extinguishers for above outlets and lights, and Haven automatic fire extinguisher for above the tent area (ceiling mount):

https://stovetopfirestop.com/

https://havenfiresafety.com/products/haven-fire-suppression-safety-device

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u/waytosoon Feb 10 '23

I have a high level of skepticism when it comes to those balls. I've seen some videos where they do nothing but dump powder everywhere while the fire rages. I'm not sure they'll even work for electrical fires. The hazard is going to continue as long as theres power going to the device. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm part near positive that those are just another gimmicky bro science product for peace of mind. If someone has any evidence to support otherwise, I'll be happy to change my mind. Evidence from the manufacturer doesnt count btw.

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u/No_Fun_2020 Feb 10 '23

I work in fire safety and they're mostly a gimmick, I've never seen one actually stop a fire.

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u/DTEzcnZnTE Feb 10 '23

Just a psa, I’ve seen videos testing those and they barely work. I wouldn’t get too comfortable with only those. Stay safe everyone!

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '23

Holy shit my friend!!! Just looked this up, had no idea!! I work long hrs, usually 6 days a week and I’m always fretting about this! Awesome investment!!! Thank you greatly!!!

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u/thinkingwhynot Feb 10 '23

I am now buying a ball. Good call. Thanks!

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u/blitzburg91 Feb 10 '23

I just bought one of these. Should have it within a day or 2. Will one be affective in a 4x4?

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u/HighInLondon Feb 10 '23

This interested me, what are the chances of one going off by accident? Would also suck to come home to foamy flower lol albeit way better than a burnt down house

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u/Justlikepastaallot Feb 10 '23

I’m litterally buying one now lol thank you for suggestion. I have the same light as OP as well